The one political poll that matters

[Redfish]

So we should be able to determine everything by polling then. It will make shopping so much easier as we can poll everyone to see what they want to buy, what car to sell, what dishwashing soap to stock, what beer to sell. Imagine just how handy it will be to know in advance who the governor will be, who will be police chief.

Polling services do exactly that. They tell manufactures the kind of product the consumer wants, marketing the kind of advertising most likely to produce results, and policy makers what the public wants from government. However, polls are not the only forecasting tools used by businesses and government.

Ah sarcasm eludes you. If polls were able to predict so well there would only need to be one car built, one beer offered for sale, no need for people to vote. The problem is science wants to believe it understands how humans think and act, therefore it can predict everything about them.
The problem is it is very far from even coming close.

Polls don't tell us whether a car, a beer, or politician candidate is good or bad. They only tell us what people think.

Polls are only accurate when people have strong opinions or preferences. For example if a poll was done to determine the best table sale, it would be worthless because there is little difference in taste and most people don't have any opinion. Politician polls are much more accurate because most people have strong opinions and preferences in regard to candidates and issues. Studies have shown that political polls are among the most accurate, about 80%. Polls on the death penalty vary greatly because people vacillate. I have never seen a poll on beer, however you can bet that people who market and advertise the products have.

In politics, government, and business polling is extremely important because it tells us what people think about issues, political candidates, consumer products, and public policy. Governments, politician candidates, and business spend billions of dollars on research studies and polls to determine public opinion. If it was worthless, they would not be spending that kind of money on it.

So they are used for things but not accurate. They are extremely important but they are only accurate in certain circumstances. Companies and political candidates pay big money for polls that are not accurate or are only accurate in certain circumstances or certain instances.
Got it.
So if polls are only accurate in certain instances and certain circumstances how accurate are they if you have say an extra 10% of the people polled that lean Democrat? What happens to the extreme accuracy of a poll that has a slightly larger number of undecided? What happens to this supposed accuracy if someone feels a need to keep from being chastised by a pollster?

Many people think that in a poll of 500 people, the pollster contacts only 500 people and that's the poll, not so. Typically, in scientific, the pollsters will contact far more people than in the final sample because many of those contacted will not be counted in order for the poll to be represent of the population. If the criteria used to construct the sample is party favored, age, family income, race, sex then those selected will form a statically average that matches the area being polled.

If a poll reveals a much larger number of undecided voters than expected, then the confidence level of poll will be low. How polls handle undecided voters varies by polls. Some polls eliminated them because they believe that they will split in the same manner as decided voters. However most polls report them as undecided.

Keep in mind, pollster don't call elections. They just report how the population being polled plans to vote or who they favor. It is forecasters in news organization that use polling data and other research to call elections.

Oh geez, another nice try, but inaccurate. when the pollsters select a sample of 500 or 1000 they attempt to include a proportional mix of every demographic in the population being sampled. In a diverse country of 330,000,000 its simply impossible to proportionally include every demographic in a sample of 1000.

and you refuse to accept the fact that the pollsters are paid by someone with an agenda. like it or not, today's polls are propaganda, not polling.

 

[Redfish]

all true, but what you left out is the statistical failing of all of the polls, There is no way that a sample of 1000 can ever be representative of a population of 330,000,000, no matter how carefully you select the sample.

its not polling, its propaganda.

Exactly. A thousand or even more gives no real indication. Especially if it is even slightly skewed toward democrats, big city, those that have time to spend on taking polls, etc.

If your results from the poll is the same for 5,000 sample as it is for 1,000, then why poll 5,000. Polling organization use different samples sizes to determine the optimum number in a sample.

They also poll a 1000 sample week after week after week. If the results of those samples swing wildly, the sample size is too small. But if your weekly poll is consistent in its conclusions, then you can have more confidence in its accuracy

tell us, oh great prognosticator, were the polls correct about hillary winning in 2016? Were they correct when they said that Trump had no path to 270 EC votes?

they lied to you then and they are lying to you now, wake up.

Pollsters do not call elections. Elections are called by major networks, and news organization. They use polling data, exit polls, research into key areas, and computer generated models. The major polls in 2016 were just as accurate as in previous presidential elections because the numbers they report for all but a few states were within their stated margin of error.

except that the conclusion of all of them that hillary would win was wrong------------so did the pollsters screw up or did they have an agenda?

 

[Maxdeath]

So we should be able to determine everything by polling then. It will make shopping so much easier as we can poll everyone to see what they want to buy, what car to sell, what dishwashing soap to stock, what beer to sell. Imagine just how handy it will be to know in advance who the governor will be, who will be police chief.

Polling services do exactly that. They tell manufactures the kind of product the consumer wants, marketing the kind of advertising most likely to produce results, and policy makers what the public wants from government. However, polls are not the only forecasting tools used by businesses and government.

Ah sarcasm eludes you. If polls were able to predict so well there would only need to be one car built, one beer offered for sale, no need for people to vote. The problem is science wants to believe it understands how humans think and act, therefore it can predict everything about them.
The problem is it is very far from even coming close.

Polls don't tell us whether a car, a beer, or politician candidate is good or bad. They only tell us what people think.

Polls are only accurate when people have strong opinions or preferences. For example if a poll was done to determine the best table sale, it would be worthless because there is little difference in taste and most people don't have any opinion. Politician polls are much more accurate because most people have strong opinions and preferences in regard to candidates and issues. Studies have shown that political polls are among the most accurate, about 80%. Polls on the death penalty vary greatly because people vacillate. I have never seen a poll on beer, however you can bet that people who market and advertise the products have.

In politics, government, and business polling is extremely important because it tells us what people think about issues, political candidates, consumer products, and public policy. Governments, politician candidates, and business spend billions of dollars on research studies and polls to determine public opinion. If it was worthless, they would not be spending that kind of money on it.

So they are used for things but not accurate. They are extremely important but they are only accurate in certain circumstances. Companies and political candidates pay big money for polls that are not accurate or are only accurate in certain circumstances or certain instances.
Got it.
So if polls are only accurate in certain instances and certain circumstances how accurate are they if you have say an extra 10% of the people polled that lean Democrat? What happens to the extreme accuracy of a poll that has a slightly larger number of undecided? What happens to this supposed accuracy if someone feels a need to keep from being chastised by a pollster?

Many people think that in a poll of 500 people, the pollster contacts only 500 people and that's the poll, not so. Typically, in scientific, the pollsters will contact far more people than in the final sample because many of those contacted will not be counted in order for the poll to be represent of the population. If the criteria used to construct the sample is party favored, age, family income, race, sex then those selected will form a statically average that matches the area being polled.

If a poll reveals a much larger number of undecided voters than expected, then the confidence level of poll will be low. How polls handle undecided voters varies by polls. Some polls eliminated them because they believe that they will split in the same manner as decided voters. However most polls report them as undecided.

Keep in mind, pollster don't call elections. They just report how the population being polled plans to vote or who they favor. It is forecasters in news organization that use polling data and other research to call elections.

So polls weed out those that they don't like, that the answers do not match what is expected or wanted. Sounds less scientific with each answer you post.

 

[Seawytch]

And yet it isn't the Democrats that support giving the former slave owning states more voting power than other states that didn't own slaves.

Why are you opposed to the prospect of "one voter, one vote", all votes carrying equal weight?

sorry but it was democrats who supported slavery and support virtual slavery today.

because if we used the PV in national elections a few populous places in the country would decide every election and would vote for those who would pump money into those places-----------and the rest of the country would have no voice and would be dumped on in every way.

Its very obvious unless, like you, your viewpoint is limited to what your political handlers tell you to think.

No, it was Southerners that supported Slavery and then Segregation, period. Those Southerners were Democrats. They are no longer. Why? Civil Rights. You're welcome for the history lesson.

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

 

[Redfish]

sorry but it was democrats who supported slavery and support virtual slavery today.

because if we used the PV in national elections a few populous places in the country would decide every election and would vote for those who would pump money into those places-----------and the rest of the country would have no voice and would be dumped on in every way.

Its very obvious unless, like you, your viewpoint is limited to what your political handlers tell you to think.

No, it was Southerners that supported Slavery and then Segregation, period. Those Southerners were Democrats. They are no longer. Why? Civil Rights. You're welcome for the history lesson.

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

the racism I witnessed in the west against indians and mexicans was worse than anything in today's south.

we live in today, witchey, not the 1800s.

the racists of today reside in the democrat party just as they did in the past. you can try to make it geographical if you want, but its not.

 

[Seawytch]

No, it was Southerners that supported Slavery and then Segregation, period. Those Southerners were Democrats. They are no longer. Why? Civil Rights. You're welcome for the history lesson.

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

the racism I witnessed in the west against indians and mexicans was worse than anything in today's south.

we live in today, witchey, not the 1800s.

the racists of today reside in the democrat party just as they did in the past. you can try to make it geographical if you want, but its not.

Not even close, fishy. Do you think segregation happened in the 1800s? Are you stupid as well as ridiculous? The southern racists still live there...They just vote Republican now.

 

[Wyatt earp]

sorry but it was democrats who supported slavery and support virtual slavery today.

because if we used the PV in national elections a few populous places in the country would decide every election and would vote for those who would pump money into those places-----------and the rest of the country would have no voice and would be dumped on in every way.

Its very obvious unless, like you, your viewpoint is limited to what your political handlers tell you to think.

No, it was Southerners that supported Slavery and then Segregation, period. Those Southerners were Democrats. They are no longer. Why? Civil Rights. You're welcome for the history lesson.

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

Liar racism today is in the blue cities so is segregation, hell in Idaho now you know how many blacks I seen? Like 8 .

 

[Wyatt earp]

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

the racism I witnessed in the west against indians and mexicans was worse than anything in today's south.

we live in today, witchey, not the 1800s.

the racists of today reside in the democrat party just as they did in the past. you can try to make it geographical if you want, but its not.

Not even close, fishy. Do you think segregation happened in the 1800s? Are you stupid as well as ridiculous? The southern racists still live there...They just vote Republican now.

And you never lived there I did for like 15 years, the old Democrats are dying out

 

[JoeMoma]

Take every democrat wannabe rally together and the attendance might equal one Trump rally.

I don't doubt most of the people that answer the so called polls don't give an actual accurate answer for fear of reprisal.

explain how one could face reprisal for an answer given in an anonymous poll.

Some people may believe the poll is not so anonymous. It today's age of data collection and tracking, that belief is somewhat understandable. Especially since a cell phone number can be used to track identification for most people.

 

[Seawytch]

No, it was Southerners that supported Slavery and then Segregation, period. Those Southerners were Democrats. They are no longer. Why? Civil Rights. You're welcome for the history lesson.

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

Liar racism today is in the blue cities so is segregation, hell in Idaho now you know how many blacks I seen? Like 8 .

Institionalized racism exists all over the country. The highest concentration of flat out racists are in the south. This is a fact.

Association between an Internet-Based Measure of Area Racism and Black Mortality

 

[Seawytch]

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

the racism I witnessed in the west against indians and mexicans was worse than anything in today's south.

we live in today, witchey, not the 1800s.

the racists of today reside in the democrat party just as they did in the past. you can try to make it geographical if you want, but its not.

Not even close, fishy. Do you think segregation happened in the 1800s? Are you stupid as well as ridiculous? The southern racists still live there...They just vote Republican now.

And you never lived there I did for like 15 years, the old Democrats are dying out

You have zero clue where I lived. I've lived all over the United States and I found the most out and out racists in Florida and Virginia.

 

[Wyatt earp]

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

Liar racism today is in the blue cities so is segregation, hell in Idaho now you know how many blacks I seen? Like 8 .

Institionalized racism exists all over the country. The highest concentration of flat out racists are in the south. This is a fact.

Association between an Internet-Based Measure of Area Racism and Black Mortality

My ass it does, I could bring you all over the south and kiss you in public and no one would bat an eye, racism doesn't exist anymore in the south unless your in the deep of the mountains of North Carolina

 

[Wyatt earp]

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

the racism I witnessed in the west against indians and mexicans was worse than anything in today's south.

we live in today, witchey, not the 1800s.

the racists of today reside in the democrat party just as they did in the past. you can try to make it geographical if you want, but its not.

Not even close, fishy. Do you think segregation happened in the 1800s? Are you stupid as well as ridiculous? The southern racists still live there...They just vote Republican now.

And you never lived there I did for like 15 years, the old Democrats are dying out

You have zero clue where I lived. I've lived all over the United States and I found the most out and out racists in Florida and Virginia.

Fuck you my entire journey in life was to live in as many states as I could..


Illinois

Tennessee
South Carolina
Wisconsin
Georgia
Arizona
Colorado
Wyoming
Idaho

Not to mention when I traveled on business for 10 years

The south is not racist today

 

[Wyatt earp]

And Oregon

 

[Redfish]

wrong again, witchey. there were slaves in Illinois and several other northern states. The KKK was in all states and was exclusively democrats. Democrats still control most of the big cities in the south (and most of the country) could that be why our big cities are all financially failing and have become shitholes with people living and crapping on the streets?

even today the dem party wants to control blacks and mandate how they think, what they believe, and how they vote-------and they will try to destroy any blacks who dare to disagree with the far left dem mantra. Slavery comes in many forms and the dems use all of them.

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

the racism I witnessed in the west against indians and mexicans was worse than anything in today's south.

we live in today, witchey, not the 1800s.

the racists of today reside in the democrat party just as they did in the past. you can try to make it geographical if you want, but its not.

Not even close, fishy. Do you think segregation happened in the 1800s? Are you stupid as well as ridiculous? The southern racists still live there...They just vote Republican now.

I have lived most of my life in southern states, I don't know any racists and I know a lot of people of all races, ethnicities, backgrounds, and ages.

I do see racism in the big blue northern cities where the democrats in control have limited the opportunities of minorities in order to keep them on the plantation, dependent, and voting democrat.

It is also a fact that the majority of blacks in the south did not want their kids bused across town in order to comply with federal integration regulations. Racial pride is a normal human condition, discrimination is the problem that we need to deal with and discrimination affects people of every race, color, religion, and ethnicity, as well as sex, size, and age.

If you think that race is the only entity that is subject to discrimination or that discrimination only happens to blacks you are either very naive or very stupid.

 

[Redfish]

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

the racism I witnessed in the west against indians and mexicans was worse than anything in today's south.

we live in today, witchey, not the 1800s.

the racists of today reside in the democrat party just as they did in the past. you can try to make it geographical if you want, but its not.

Not even close, fishy. Do you think segregation happened in the 1800s? Are you stupid as well as ridiculous? The southern racists still live there...They just vote Republican now.

And you never lived there I did for like 15 years, the old Democrats are dying out

You have zero clue where I lived. I've lived all over the United States and I found the most out and out racists in Florida and Virginia.

horseshit! there is more racism against indians and mexicans in Colorado than there is against blacks in all of the southern states combined.

 

[Redfish]

Are you capable of independent though at all? Slave states:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Civil Rights Act:

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that had made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[23]

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

It's all purely regional. The southern states have always been racist regardless of party.

the entire world has always been racist and still is today. To pretend otherwise in naive at best, stupid at worst. If you think its not racist, go to the Congo as a white person and see how you are treated. Racism is a mammalian trait, we are trying to reduce it, but it will always be there. Wolves run with wolves, and rabbits run with rabbits, and collies run with collies. Its not bad or evil, its just nature.

This is not condoning or approving of it, merely stating a biological fact.

Here in the United States, racism is most prevalent in the South, in the slave states. Deflection doesn't change that fact.

Liar racism today is in the blue cities so is segregation, hell in Idaho now you know how many blacks I seen? Like 8 .

Institionalized racism exists all over the country. The highest concentration of flat out racists are in the south. This is a fact.

Association between an Internet-Based Measure of Area Racism and Black Mortality

My ass it does, I could bring you all over the south and kiss you in public and no one would bat an eye, racism doesn't exist anymore in the south unless your in the deep of the mountains of North Carolina

it exists big time in Chicago, not a southern city.

 

[DBA]

Take every democrat wannabe rally together and the attendance might equal one Trump rally.

I don't doubt most of the people that answer the so called polls don't give an actual accurate answer for fear of reprisal.

explain how one could face reprisal for an answer given in an anonymous poll.

You don't mean like the people that have been attacked for wearing a hat, or those that have been harassed in front of houses or in establishments?
Surly you don't mean someone calling others deplorables or stupid or asshats or all the other things that happens on these forums everyday?

none of that applies to answering a poll, how could anyone find out your answer to harass you about it?

You mean other then the pollsters and anyone around them? Or are you thinking it is by secret ballot?

The pollster is some random person calling from a call center probably 1000 miles away and has no idea who they are talking to.
Your paranoia is getting worse, perhaps you should see a professional and get some help

Maybe the better questiion to you is why are the polls better this time than last?

 

[Redfish]

explain how one could face reprisal for an answer given in an anonymous poll.

You don't mean like the people that have been attacked for wearing a hat, or those that have been harassed in front of houses or in establishments?
Surly you don't mean someone calling others deplorables or stupid or asshats or all the other things that happens on these forums everyday?

none of that applies to answering a poll, how could anyone find out your answer to harass you about it?

You mean other then the pollsters and anyone around them? Or are you thinking it is by secret ballot?

The pollster is some random person calling from a call center probably 1000 miles away and has no idea who they are talking to.
Your paranoia is getting worse, perhaps you should see a professional and get some help

Maybe the better questiion to you is why are the polls better this time than last?

as long as the so called polls show dems winning they will never admit that they are nothing but paid-for propaganda.

the only poll that is real is taken on election day

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Maybe the better questiion to you is why are the polls better this time than last?

better in what way?