The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

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Who are the indiginous people(s) of the Palestine region?

  1. The people who currently identify as Jewish, regardless of where they were born

    41.7%
  2. The people who currently identify as Palestinian, regardless of where they were born

    10.4%
  3. Any people who aren't Muslim

    6.3%
  4. Any people who aren't Jewish

    4.2%
  5. People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years

    60.4%
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  1. rylah
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    The discussion would certainly fit the religion forum,
    but then it would loose all relevance to real heart beating life.
    I prefer the Jungian approach of framing cultures in archtypes of their mythology, ideals and dreams. This is a more relevant approach for modern lexicon when discussing current politics. And indeed makes a lot of sense when trying to understand international relationships and attitudes towards a region so symbolically significant and attached to religion.

    This same approach fits with the indigenous discussion as well,
    as was built exactly on research in this field.
     
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    Let me think of an appropriate answer, while we see how the thread evolves with the other participants after we've reached a real peaceful agreement.

    May You be blessed as You bless the nation of Israel.
     
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    RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
    ⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

    That would be wrong. While there were units of the British Expeditionary Forces in play, the surrender of the remaining Ottoman/Turkish Forces did not occur until the Armistice of Mudros (30 October 1918).

    Obviously, you did not read the Posting #2548 where I explained and brought forth documentation of information contrary to your position. You even asked how did that address your posting.


    The last sentence in Section II of the First Annual Report (supra) reads: "Such was the economic condition of the country, and such was the political atmosphere, when on July 1st, 1920, by order of His Majesty's Government a Civil Administration was established in Palestine." While there were military forces in the Territory, they were there to support Civil Administration, not to establish a Military Governorship.

    I have often noticed that pro-Palestinians, not unlike yourself, make this claim that they were under Hague Regulation Occupation for the entirety of the period under Mandate. But as you can see → this is misinformation and fact manipulation → easily challenged, as demonstrated in Posting #2548.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Both the Jews and Philistines (i.e. Palestinians) have lived in Israel for thousands years according to the Bible.

    Also, according to the Bible, the Jewish People were deeded the Holy Land as "God's Chosen People." The Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by several thousand years. If Muslims want their religion and their beliefs respected then they must respect the Jewish and Christian faiths. You cannot have it both ways.


    Israel is Jewish land according to the Torah. The question for Muslims: Will you respect Jewish faith and beliefs?
     
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    Please, the Philistines were invaders from Greece who created an Empire in the area of Gaza.

    The Palestinians are Arabs, from Arabia.

    Pro or Con, let us please get the identity of the players correct.

    Because the Arabs would love for everyone to believe that they have been in Ancient Canaan for "thousands of years" when it wasn't even their ancestors but the Kurdish Muslims who were the first to invade the Land of Israel/region of Palestine in the 7th Century.

    Islam does not allow for Muslims to "respect" the Jews. Especially as free people. The Jews must never be sovereign over any Muslims.

    Which is why so many Muslims will lie, and lie, and destroy and destroy any and all Jewish history and archeology they can find, and call themselves the natives of the land.
     
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    Unlike when Britain established its Mandate in Transjordan, when it withdrew its troops leaving behind a handful of advisors, Britain maintained its military forces in its Mandate for Palestine. Why would Britain need military forces to render administrative assistance and advice as prescribed in the LoN covenant?

    Any time the Palestinians moved to self determination, Britain smashed the movement with its military. Every unpopular law or policy was imposed at the point of a gun.

    Britain did not withdraw its military until 1948.

    Military occupation?
     
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    What does any of that circular back and forth
    has to do with the theme of the thread?
     
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    You know what confuses people?
    Arabs repeatedly use the term to mean 'only Arabs', and it works.
    While we say "Palestinians are Arabians", playing into their hand,
    instead of using the term as defined in the indigenous language.

    In the indigenous language, the root of the word 'Palestinians' is invaders.
     
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    RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
    ⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

    I don't think you understand the difference between a "Military Presence" and a "Military Occupation."

    (COMMENT)

    At the conclusion of WWII and the surrender by the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (May 1945), the US maintained a Military Occupation Force in Central Germany and Bavaria until General Treaty (May 1952). The General Treaty formally ended Germany's status as an occupied territory and recognized its rights of a sovereign state (Federal Republic of Germany). The US Military Presence (V Corps and VII Corps, with USAF Support) remained, gradually diminishing over time. Today there is still more than 35,000 US military Personnel assigned in Germany, even after the reunification in 1990. This is not a "military occupation" but rather an overseas military presence that responds to the ever-evolving international security environment with a view on how the American foreign policy shapes its future role in the world.

    The mere physical presence of a military force operating in support of American diplomatic efforts and
    civil requirements → helping to ensure the protection of all interested parties under customary and conventional international law → is not the same thing as an "occupation."

    The deployment of British Forces in support of the Civil Administration of the international Mandate was done so to further Article 22 objectives → even in the face of Arab Palestinian opposition that turned to violence.

    (COMMENT)

    The Hashemite Royal Family had demonstrated the ability to productively form a government and establish a civil administration. This was something that the Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River were unable to accomplish. And further, the Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River demonstrated, over and over again, the unwillingness to cooperate in the accomplishment of Article 22 (LoN Covenant), instead of → demonstrating a propensity for violence and criminal activity; not unlike the → Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River of today.

    Attempts to enjoin the Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River and create Self-Governing Institutions, in the early years of the Mandate proved unsuccessful. With the development of organizations like the Palestinian Black Hand, the overall effect was → From 1922 until the end of the Mandate, the British High Commissioner governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials and supplemented by the gradually growing influence of the Jewish Agency. The Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River absolutely refused to participate in the development of self-governing institutions and instead Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River opted for ever-increasing violence. The purpose of such lawlessness and criminal acts was an attempt to intimidate the Civil Administration and compel the British Government to abandon the objectives of Article 22. The Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River exhibited no diplomatic skills but instead chose the path of ever-increasing escalation of criminal behaviors.

    (EPILOG)

    THUS THE NEED FOR MILITARY SUPPORT. It was true then and it is true even today. The British did NOT smash the Arab Movement towards self-determination. The Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River absolutely refused to participate in the development of self-governing institutions and instead Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River opted for ever-increasing violence.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Under the boot of Britain's military. You are ducking the question as usual.

    Why would Britain need military forces to render administrative assistance and advice as prescribed in the LoN covenant?
     

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