The new cold war

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    listening to Hannity today. One of the callers mentioned that He thinks we are in a civil cold war. Funny i never really thought about it that way but its really true. We are in the midsts of a civil war. Right now its a cold war. Hopefully it will never come out as full rebellion. Im not terribly confident about that though.

    Think about it we are a divided nation. not fifty fifty but it doesnt have to be fifty fifty to have a polarized nation. we are fighting a war on ideas. There are hostile sides. and all they need is a spark to push it over the edge.

    We have robbers in our midst trying to take our freedom, trying to subjugate us. Problem is they are about as unidentifiable as the terrorists can be.

    What is everyone else thinking on this?
     
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    Lordy, it pains me to say this, but DK and a couple others have been saying this for months...
     
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    Yeah i know. its nothing new i just never thought of it as a civil cold war.
     
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    There has always existed the complete spectrum of political and ideological thought in America. We are a raucous, cantankerous people who love to argue among ourselves. America is not a place; it is a state of mind. America is the contest of ideas. That is our nature. The great American experiment boils and sparks and never comes to rest. Be assured the whole world is watching; they cannot take their eyes off us. We are loud and we say exactly what we want, whenever we want. That is our culture. We breathe and drink freedom of thought and expression, and it amazes the rest of the world. The Chinese, for example, marvel at the way we think and say anything we want. Do not worry. Be glad that we are in a constant state of cultural turmoil. It is how we sort things out and move forward.
     
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    Hey dont get me wrong i dont mind the debate and discussion of ideas.

    Problem is, its not happening.

    One of our political parties has been coopted by extremists who havent introduced any new ideas in the last 30 years. All they have is rhetoric and hatred.

    No my friend, if we had a full range of idealogical debate we wouldnt be having a problem. The problem is the hate is boiling up. There is no rational for this hatred. And its starting to permiate both sides. We have Democrats writing books on how to assasinate the President. We have both sides talking about suceding if the other side wins. We have a polarization that may make the civil war look like a walk in the park.

    I just hope we can have another Ronald Reagan rise up and win this Cold War without firing a shot. But i have a feeling Ronald reagans only appear once in a lifetime.
     
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    True enough, but the arguments used to be about what was best for the country. People disagreed, but realized that despite their differences, they were still fellow Americans. I think we have lost that bond, or at least it has become a very tenuous thing.

    Today's political campaign, especially that of the left, is not about what is best for the nation, it is about what is best for the Democratic party. It is about regaining power. The campaign run by the Democrats is about destroying not only George Bush and the Republican party. It goes beyond that. The Democrats want to thoroughly squash conservatives and remove their influence from American society.

    To that end, we see Democrats attacking on a broad front. Liberals love to villify religion. They claim that Christian conservatives want to create a theocracy. Even some of the more reasonable libs on this board have frequently criticized the conservative Christian right. The fact is that Christians see themselves under attack by secularists. Most Christians do not want to see a theocracy in this country, they merely want to be free to express their faith wherever and whenever they feel appropriate. They see their rights to worship as they choose being eroded by liberals whose aim is to remove every facet of religion from public life.

    Liberals attack gun ownership rights. They seek to impose a socialist welfare state. They seek to impose politically correct speech codes. They seek to divide us not only by pitting the rich against the poor, but by creating new classes of "victims" to be "protected". Minorities and homosexuals are the cause celebre' for liberals who pander to these groups with quotas and hate crime legislation. We see liberals attempting to perpetrate massive voter fraud by denouncing voter ID requirements and attempting to give illegal aliens the vote. Then they have the nerve to accuse conservatives of attempting to "disenfranchise" voters.

    Many liberals are no longer satisfied to disagree with conservatives, they hate and loathe those they contemptuously refer to as "neocons". Disagreements that used to be friendly discussions have turned into venemous arguments with resultant hard feeling on both sides. Political campaigns which used to be about whose vision was best for the country have turned into vicious crusades to personally destroy the opponent. Conservatives and liberals used to recognize each other as Americans at heart, but these days we see each other as coming from different planets.

    I do hope that you're right and I'm wrong. But I am not optimistic about the future of this country. The current climate of hate and distrust can only lead to even greater divisions. Something has to change. Personally I think that the best engine for change is the ballot box. We need to weed out the "professional" politicians who have built themselves an empire in Washington DC. We, as a people, need to throw out every senator, every congressman, regardless of political affiliation, who has been in office for two terms or more. That is the first step for regaining control of our government and that is also the first step in assuring that government once again represents the voters instead of the personal views of professional politicans and the lobbyists and special interest groups who bribe them.

    Perhaps by creating more of a turnover in Washington DC we will regain that representation that we have lost. Politicans need to be reminded that the best interst of their party is a thing to be considered only after the best interests of the nation, the voter and Americans in general have been satisfied.
     
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    Both of our political parties have been co-opted, one just happens to be more visible and more co-opted than the other. And the further division isn't just between the parties, but the people that push those extremists on further with their much louder support than the ones who have sanity still attached to them. Sort of the 'squeaky wheel' theory.

    I still believe that this cold war will erupt within our own borders, Its what happens when people are unbending, uncompromising, and believe that only they are right.
     
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    It seems to me that it doesn't help that we have only two recognized political parties. There is no doubt that there are extremists who seem to have taken over both, so why is there not a more moderate, third party? Unfortunately, it is the extremists who get the news and that doesn't help either.
     
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    I feel the same way yet while we are being attacked by extremists doesn't seem to be a good time to change. Hopefully someone else out there has a better idea and a hell of a lot of money!
     
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    The problem is there are a number of issues where there cant really be a moderate position.

    War on terror - we either fight or appease.
    Abortion - you are either for it or against it
    Gay marriage - either for or against it
    Affirmative action - either for it or against it.

    thats just a few. on the economic issues i believe there is more compromise. Maybe on health care as well. But health care isnt a major issue, never has been, and the economy is something people only worry about when its bad.

    We could probably have a discussion about 3rd parties but it might be better for another thread.

    As for the corruption of the partise. i deffinately see how the Democrats have been coopted by the extremists. I dont see that in the Republican party. If you havent noticed there is a reason our racist board members are fought everytime they try to advocate their hate policies. If you guys are seeing extremists take over the Republiacns id like to see some evidence or atleast some sort of reasoning behind it. I mean i dont like everything in the Republican party but i havent seen anything extreme.
     

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