The myths of high cost healthcare

Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by lynn63, Jan 22, 2013.

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    dear, people are convicted of crimes all the time so why single out only corporations for your Marxist hatred?? Do you love corporations for the food, clothing and shelter they provide us everyday, or merely hate them when they commit a crime? Do you hate your children when they misbehave??

    See why we say a liberal will be slow??
     
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    It already is happening for many of us. The only vote any of us can control is our own, and I'm not about to waste mine on another status quo corporatist. As long as the Republicans and Democrats continue to squelch the pro-freedom, pro-justice voices in their ranks (Paul, Kucinich, etc...), they'll not get my vote.

    Nah... that's not what I'm saying at all. I specifically addressed bad regulation and bad tax policy. Regulations are just laws - specifically laws that dictate conformity. When such conformity has universal benefit, and costs very little, both in terms of money and lost freedom, when it enjoys near universal support of the public, it makes sense to codify it in law. Think stop signs and speed limits, for example.

    But when laws benefit select classes of people or businesses, at the expense of others, when they represent a loss of fundamental freedoms, when they are passed with minimal support - and when they are loaded down with 'unintended' consequences (which, are often quite 'intended' by those pushing for the laws in question), they need to be reconsidered, and repealed if possible.
     
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    dear how can Kucinich be pro freedom when he is a libturd socialist???
     
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    1) capitalism is not anarchy

    2) prices fall in computers and health care if libturds keep far far away and allow capitalism!!

    Why do you think China just switched to capitalism??????

    See why we must be 100% certain a liberal will be slow!!!
     
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    Under capitalism the cost of health care in the US has gone very high ... to the highest in the world.
     
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    It's hard to argue against such a vague position. But okay.
     
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    Keep using China as an example if you want to be written off by everyone. It's absurd.
     
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    Is my position vague, or just not encapsulated in your dichotomy?

    It's tiresome when reasonable calls for cutting back on overreaching government are met with screeching accusations of anarchy. Surely you can see how regulatory schemes are twisted to serve ulterior motives. The health care and health insurance industries are replete with this kind of corruption. There's nothing vague about it.
     
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    Of course you are being vague. Give me specifics. Which laws or regulations are you referring to?

    Yes, I called it anarchy. Simply because you haven't made it clear exactly what you are against. All regulations? Specific regulations? Or are you just regurgitating talking points? I am no mind reader.

    I have no doubt there is corruption. Never argued otherwise. But until we get into specifics it's hard to tell if it's a small localized problem with a couple regs. or a pandemic throughout the system.
     
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    Well, you're just being argumentative now. "Talking points"?

    I'm trying to establish agreement on the idea that ill-conceived, poorly operated regulatory regimes are a large part of the problem. If we can't agree on that, going into specifics is a waste of time. Particular with people who see any and all deregulation efforts as 'anarchy'.

    It's sort of like arguing with the war mongers who label anyone who dares to suggest our military shouldn't dominate every corner of the planet as an 'isolationist'.
     

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