The Living, Breathing History of American Progressives

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  1. CrusaderFrank
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    I was taught that: FDR was a Great President who rescued America from the Great Depression, LBJ was a Civil Rights hero, Joe McCarthy and his House UnAmerican Activities Committee were on a Red Scare Witch Hunt and ruined the lives of many loyal, powerless Americans and found no Communists anywhere.

    These were article of faith. They were the Nicene Creed of my public school and college education -- they were inviolate. To question any of them was to invite scrutiny from a teacher who had the power of the grade in his/her Progressive hand.

    These lesson were reinforced everywhere in civil society, they were just so!

    FDR: Hero who rescued us from the Hoovervilles

    LBJ: Civil Rights Hero who liberate the black man from that awful Ike and Republicans!

    Joe McCarthy: Whacko! There were no Communists Anywhere!

    But much like Progressive adjustments to the Constitution to catch up with the times, the unquestioned history of America as told by Progressives must have some life breathed into it.

    I checked the data, the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression right up until we switched over to a wartime economy. There was never any sign of any FDR economic greatness -- it's a myth, a lie. Moreover, FDR and the Dems used their New Deal Stimulus funds to conduct the heinous, barbaric Tuskegee Experiments -- it's a fact, you can look it up.

    At the end of WWII, likely on the advise of genuine Communist spies, FDR allowed Stalin and the Communists to retain vital real estate and world capitals in Eastern Europe. Recent information from the former USSR vindicates and validates Joe McCarthy's central thesis: there really were Soviet Spies highly placed in the US Government

    LBJ it turns out not only blocked Ike's Civil Rights Act but once he passed his own version remarked that he'll "have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years" That's a Civil Rights Hero? Also, prominent black leaders were assassinated under LBJ's watch, not that he ordered it mind you, the timing is just really, really curious.

    The time has come to reevaluate American history as told by Progressives. Their tale should be every bit as living and breathing as they claim our Founding Document is.
     
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    Crusader couldn't distinguish one ideology from another if he fell over them several times. The piece below gives a excellent view of liberalism and talks of progressivism.

    I read a bit more on McCarthy today and there is a reason McCarthyism is a word in our vocabulary.

    "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you no sense of decency?" Joseph Nye Welch, the Army’s chief counsel

    (There is a reason McCarthyism has become a synonym for false and ridiculous accusations.) Read about him sometime and ignore Frank's inane rantings.


    'Liberalism Lost and Found'

    'Claiming the future means embracing the full complications of the past.' by E.J. Dionne, Jr.


    "It takes less courage than it once did to defend liberalism. Liberal restraint looks better than ever after the excesses of the Bush years. Liberal skepticism of the unfettered market seems wise after the economic meltdown. Liberal tolerance is increasingly valued in a society that grows ever more diverse, and it is a virtue particularly honored among the young. Liberal jurisprudence seems restrained in the face of a wave of conservative judicial activism. Even liberal empathy–good, old-fashioned, bleeding-heart liberalism–seems less contested now, after conservatives tried to steal the word "compassion" as their own.

    And yet few politicians dare to call themselves liberal. They fear, as Alan Wolfe writes, that too many Americans still see liberals "as carriers of infectious political diseases." It’s certainly very hard to imagine any politician, notably including our current president, who would dare to say what John F. Kennedy said shortly before the 1960 election (and remember that Kennedy wasn’t all that liberal). "What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label ‘liberal’?" Kennedy asked. "If by ‘liberal’ they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of ‘liberal.’""

    http://www.democracyjournal.org/article.php?ID=6713
     
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    I think Midcan needs to stop violating the word Liberal.

    Sure, he might think he is, but doesn't make him one.
     
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    Whaddya expect?
    Liberal secular progressive professors and admin's have hijacked our colleges and universities for the past 40 years, since 1970, at the least.
    At least 50% of baby-boomers AND their offspring have been brainwashed, and its' all coming to fruition now.
     
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    Oh, the irony is astounding! :rofl:
     
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    To liberals, nothing is wrong unless it's right.
     
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    I read an article a couple of years ago about McCarthy that totally exonerated him, but I wasn't sure whether to trust the source or not,

    and THAT is one of the Main things that I'll NEVER forgive the libturds for ~

    making us have to doubt ANY and ALL sources that don't reflect their revisionist propaganda of history.
     
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    Have you no facts, Sir, at long last?
     
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    ok, but stop violating the word "progressive' if you don't know what a progressive really is.

    The Progressives were a real and powerful political force up until the reign of FDR. Their main focuses had been the expansion of suffrage, the advancement of labor rights and the advancement of democracy itself thru things like direct ballot initiatives and election reforms.

    They brought us women's suffrage, the end of child labor, the weekend, vacation time, overtime pay, collective bargaining rights etc.

    Progressives were opposed to Obama's Health care deform initiatives but reluctantly voted for it in the end.

    There is an actual progressives caucus today and like blue dogs, progressives are NOT lockstep democrats.

    just sayin
     
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    That is nice and all, but still equally true about conservatards.

    Show me a true conservative holding public office under the banner of being a republican.

    Show me a partisan of either stripe who isn't an ideologue.

    Show me a partisan of either stripe who has a world view that isn't rife with internal contradictions.

    Show me a partisan of either stripe who has a coherent world view.

    Odds are great that you can't accomplish one of the 4 in 10 minutes, much less all 4.

    Just sayin.
     

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