The left embraces socialism .

Yea, that's it we need private fire departments. Yea, I can see it now, big dangerous fire, private fire department rolls up, takes one look and says; NO thanks. You all don't pay me enough to fight that fire.

What a stupid fuking idea.
 
Are they as efficient, bripat? Are they as cost effective? Do they service the community better?

Public fire departments are raping the taxpayers. Private fire departments do the same job for 1/3 the cost.

Until you stop making profound sweeping statements of stupidity laughter sweeps throughout the hall.

I post the truth. That's what you dislike so much.
 
Yea, that's it we need private fire departments. Yea, I can see it now, big dangerous fire, private fire department rolls up, takes one look and says; NO thanks. You all don't pay me enough to fight that fire.

What a stupid fuking idea.

Many cities in America have private fire departments, like Tempe AZ. No such problem has ever been reported.

Your paranoia is groundless.
 
Laughter sweeps through the hall. bripat is so stupidly funny.

Waiting for competent documentation to backup his silly ass posturing.
 
Why shouldnt I embrace socialism? What do you have against the fire department? They cutting in on your dream of becoming a modern day Marcus Licinius Crassus?

The fire department allows its employees to retire at age 50 on a 100% pension. That's one reason many cities are going bankrupt.

Private fire departments are cheaper by several orders of magnitude.

Public fire departments are raping the taxpayers. Private fire departments do the same job for 1/3 the cost.


Ok, you think firefighters should only be paid enough to cover base sustenance and after a career of hard grueling, life endangering work, you want firefighters to go curl up and die under a bridge? Theres only so many Americans you can hate before its fair to assume you just hate all Americans, so why do you hate America?

Collect enough taxes and your budget is balanced, its pandering to freeloading anti tax nuts that is bankrupting America.
 
Why shouldnt I embrace socialism? What do you have against the fire department? They cutting in on your dream of becoming a modern day Marcus Licinius Crassus?

The fire department allows its employees to retire at age 50 on a 100% pension. That's one reason many cities are going bankrupt.

Private fire departments are cheaper by several orders of magnitude.

Public fire departments are raping the taxpayers. Private fire departments do the same job for 1/3 the cost.


Ok, you think firefighters should only be paid enough to cover base sustenance and after a career of hard grueling, life endangering work, you want firefighters to go curl up and die under a bridge? Theres only so many Americans you can hate before its fair to assume you just hate all Americans, so why do you hate America?

Collect enough taxes and your budget is balanced, its pandering to freeloading anti tax nuts that is bankrupting America.

don't pay bripat any mind. He's whats known as a rw "kool aid guzzler" :tinfoil:
 
Why shouldnt I embrace socialism? What do you have against the fire department? They cutting in on your dream of becoming a modern day Marcus Licinius Crassus?

The fire department allows its employees to retire at age 50 on a 100% pension. That's one reason many cities are going bankrupt.

Private fire departments are cheaper by several orders of magnitude.

Public fire departments are raping the taxpayers. Private fire departments do the same job for 1/3 the cost.


Ok, you think firefighters should only be paid enough to cover base sustenance and after a career of hard grueling, life endangering work, you want firefighters to go curl up and die under a bridge? Theres only so many Americans you can hate before its fair to assume you just hate all Americans, so why do you hate America?

Fire fighters don't work hard at all. They spend most of their "working hours" eating and sleeping. Nothing could be easier than being a firefighter.

As far as danger is concerned, it's a lot more dangerous to be a construction worker, or a miner, or a commercial fisherman.

If people can work these trades without a 100% pension at age 50, then so can firefighters. Let the market determine the wage and benefits earn. If the rest of us have to compete for our wages and benefits in the market, then why should fire fighters be any different?

Collect enough taxes and your budget is balanced,

Yeah, and all the taxpayers are living in poverty while government leaches are living like oriental despots.

its pandering to freeloading anti tax nuts that is bankrupting America.

Where does this "freeloading" come in? what "freeloading" have I done?
 
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Laughter sweeps through the hall. bripat is so stupidly funny.

Waiting for competent documentation to backup his silly ass posturing.

Here ya go, numskull:

How Success of Private Fire Departments Undermines Obamacare - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

For example, the Elk Grove district in rural Illinois put together a private fire service when they faced an imminent loss of protection by a nearby municipal fire department. They found that the private company was able to provide the service far cheaper than contracting with another local government. The private provider explains why:

“Our first-year contract was $300,000, and we were providing the same level of service the consultant said would cost $1 million,” Jensen said. “We continue to provide service as good as that of our municipal neighbors, but because we are private, we can operate more efficiently. We save 30 to 40 percent over what a similar municipal department would cost to operate.”
The savings come mainly in personnel. The fire district has 14 full-time firefighters and 28 paid-on-call firefighters, all of whom are privately employed. None is a union member.
“We don’t pay the insane salaries that our municipal neighbors pay,” Jensen said. “Our benefits are more in line with traditional industry. We are non-union, which gives us a lot more flexibility in dealing with our employees. Salaries and benefits are the big savings, but we [also] have a shop where we can rebuild and refurbish fire apparatus for our own use.
“We save money in purchasing almost anything a fire department would use, just by shopping around. We’re very cost-conscious. We watch every penny we spend,” Jensen added.
 
As far as danger is concerned, it's a lot more dangerous to be a construction worker, or a miner, or a commercial fisherman.

If people can work these trades without a 100% pension at age 50, then so can firefighters. Let the market determine the wage and benefits earn. If the rest of us have to compete for our wages and benefits in the market, then why should fire fighters be any different?

And we are right back to "why do you hate so many Americans?", now you hate construction workers, miners and fishermen too? Richest country in the history of the world, and something as trivial as a floor on retirement is too much to ask for, according to you. I dont know why you're so giddy with anticipation to ensure that at least *someone* is living under a bridge when theyre too old to work.
 
As far as danger is concerned, it's a lot more dangerous to be a construction worker, or a miner, or a commercial fisherman.

If people can work these trades without a 100% pension at age 50, then so can firefighters. Let the market determine the wage and benefits earn. If the rest of us have to compete for our wages and benefits in the market, then why should fire fighters be any different?

And we are right back to "why do you hate so many Americans?", now you hate construction workers, miners and fishermen too? Richest country in the history of the world, and something as trivial as a floor on retirement is too much to ask for, according to you. I dont know why you're so giddy with anticipation to ensure that at least *someone* is living under a bridge when theyre too old to work.

I use to be a construction worker, dumbshit. The tip of one of my fingers is missing because of an accident I had while on the job. I know from personal experience how dangerous it is. But construction workers don't get to retire at 50% on full pay.

What have I said that indicates any "hate" for any of the people in the trades mentioned? You're one of those numskulls who throws around the "hate" epithet because you can't think of an argument. Allowing people who will live well into their 80s to retire at 50 on a full salary is a prescription for financial disaster. If I have to work until I'm 65, why shouldn't firemen? Let them do a desk job if they can't climb a ladder anymore. Most firemen are paramedics. They never get near a burning building.
 
bripat hates any organized workers' groups, unions, associations to protect themselves from rapacious owners and managers. That is why the national and state governments have departments of labor, to redress the unlevel field.

bripat, you gave us an example from a libertarian network with one out of the way small private department. That's good. Now tell us want private industry to provide fire protection for major cities while worried about executives bonuses and pumped up dividends for stockholders.

Thank you for showing us the loon you are.
 
The problem with the country aint that we arnt making enough old people work. I think you deserve to be able to retire comfortably after a lifetime of working hard, bripat, you should think so too.
 
But bripat, like so many of the so-called wannabee libertarians, live off the government teat.
 
The problem with the country aint that we arnt making enough old people work. I think you deserve to be able to retire comfortably after a lifetime of working hard, bripat, you should think so too.

You aren't entitled to retire on someone else's dime. You aren't entitled to a retirement 10 times better than most people have because you can bribe politicians.
 
The problem with the country aint that we arnt making enough old people work. I think you deserve to be able to retire comfortably after a lifetime of working hard, bripat, you should think so too.

You aren't entitled to retire on someone else's dime. You aren't entitled to a retirement 10 times better than most people have because you can bribe politicians.

Maybe if you tried standing up for yourself instead of tearing yourself down, you might be able to apply your newly found backbone towards negotiating a retirement that isnt shit? You might have to get everyone who works with you to stand up for themselves too, what do they call that? a union?
 
George Orwell's road to socialism

1/15/13

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Submerge

Orwell was an opponent of political oppression. He risked his life fighting fascism and narrowly escaped death at the hands of Stalin’s agents in Spain.

He was clear in his opposition to “every form of man’s dominion over man”. He said he wanted “to submerge myself, to get right down among the oppressed, to be one of them and on their side against the tyrants”.

This determination to side with the oppressed set Orwell on the road to socialism.

But his class background shaped his vision of “honest” workers versus “dishonest” middle class socialists.

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George Orwell's road to socialism|19Jan13|Socialist Worker


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIHok_OXx-Q]Socialism Destroyed the Middle Class in Every Country - YouTube[/ame]
 
Uh oh, its a youtube montage of random pictures and terrible music, that clearly undermines the concept of society working together to achieve common goals.

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