The left embraces socialism .

Well so far this thread is just plain pathetic.
If you folks are going to make accusations about an entire ideology and all you can do is point out one fringe lefty loony (Maxine Waters), you ain't got much!
I'm a patience person I can wait.
 
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Well so far this thread is just plain pathetic.
If you folks are going to make accusations about an entire ideology and all you can do is point out one fringe lefty loony (Maxine Waters), you ain't got much!
I'm a patience person I can wait.

Would you be alright if we said liberals would embrace an oligarchy?

And in regards to your sig; our Founding Fathers never intended for us to become a democracy. We're (supposed to be) a republic. Big difference.
 
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Do you mean the 'left' that has been bought out by corporations like Goldman Sachs, Microsoft and Warren Buffet???

Strange, I don't think that 'left' ever intends to move towards socialism, but rather, inverted totalitarianism just like all political parties in the us of A.

I just want those lazy no good lefty corporate personhoods to get off bailout welfare :D
 
The above is why I insist on accurate definitions. Yidnar, bripat, etc, won't live with accurate definitions and examples because they will fail in their arguments.
are you trying to say that socialism is not a bad thing !! would you prefer socialism over capitalism ??

Unregulated capitalism is no better than socialism, yidnar, no two ways about it.

The Catholic Church was correct before WWI when it denounced unregulated capitalism and communism as the two great evils of the 20th century. Church was right. You are wrong.

Your yammering was 97% of America is willing to piss on libertarians.
 
A better description of Capitalism, Socialism and Social Democracy "the just way" from the CESJ.

A Quick Comparison of Capitalism, Socialism and CESJ's "Third Way."

Home page statement: Welcome to the Web site of the Center for Economic and Social Justice. CESJ is a non-profit educational center, think tank and social action catalyst. We are dedicated to a free enterprise approach to economic and social justice for all, through equal opportunities to capital ownership for every person.
 
A better description of Capitalism, Socialism and Social Democracy "the just way" from the CESJ.

A Quick Comparison of Capitalism, Socialism and CESJ's "Third Way."

Home page statement: Welcome to the Web site of the Center for Economic and Social Justice. CESJ is a non-profit educational center, think tank and social action catalyst. We are dedicated to a free enterprise approach to economic and social justice for all, through equal opportunities to capital ownership for every person.

If that was true, we'd never hear about people that were poor actually getting ahead and making it big.

Yet we do.
 
Do you mean the 'left' that has been bought out by corporations like Goldman Sachs, Microsoft and Warren Buffet???

Strange, I don't think that 'left' ever intends to move towards socialism, but rather, inverted totalitarianism just like all political parties in the us of A.

I just want those lazy no good lefty corporate personhoods to get off bailout welfare :D


I agree, it would be progress if the corporations we bailed out were forced to repay their debt to the government, or better yet, the car industries had all crashed and burned. Then the German car industry would have had a much better market here. Germans are better with their money and industry, given their socialistic systems.
 
The United States, as most industrial nations, have an economy that is a mixture of socialism and capitalism, and has had that mixture for years. In fact, if we can include government helping industry as socialism we have had a mixed economy as soon as Washington appointed Hamilton Secretary of the Treasury.
 
Do you mean the 'left' that has been bought out by corporations like Goldman Sachs, Microsoft and Warren Buffet???

Strange, I don't think that 'left' ever intends to move towards socialism, but rather, inverted totalitarianism just like all political parties in the us of A.

I just want those lazy no good lefty corporate personhoods to get off bailout welfare :D


I agree, it would be progress if the corporations we bailed out were forced to repay their debt to the government, or better yet, the car industries had all crashed and burned. Then the German car industry would have had a much better market here. Germans are better with their money and industry, given their socialistic systems.

It would be progress if the government would stop bailing out companies in the first place.
 
I just want those lazy no good lefty corporate personhoods to get off bailout welfare :D


I agree, it would be progress if the corporations we bailed out were forced to repay their debt to the government, or better yet, the car industries had all crashed and burned. Then the German car industry would have had a much better market here. Germans are better with their money and industry, given their socialistic systems.

It would be progress if the government would stop bailing out companies in the first place.

Yes, monopolies do not need help. Small business is a whole different story....and we've never bailed out a small local company, in fact, we just ignore them.
 
they do !!! when questioned about this most leftist do not even deny it.they believe in income redistribution ,gov regulations out the ass,and tax,tax,tax. they are on an all out assault on the second amendment,weakening our military,class warfare and government control over our very healthcare.AND THE LIST OF THE SOCIALIST[COMMUNIST] AGENDA THEY ARE PUSHING AND ENACTING GOES ON AND ON .Stalin would be proud

Define "left" with traditional and historical terms.

Define "socialism" with traditional and historical terms.

Give clear and convincing objective evidence that America is a socialist leaning country.

Your assertions mean nothing without proof.

One example: the dems and pubs collaborated on r(1) raising the taxes on the wealthy to the Clinton eras (2) while preserving the low rates historically on the rest of Americans and (3) ended the tax holiday on SS premiums so that we all pay our way instead of relying on the rest of Americans. Those are not the actions of a socialist country.
Oh please stop it. You are a very boring individual.
 
they do !!! when questioned about this most leftist do not even deny it.they believe in income redistribution ,gov regulations out the ass,and tax,tax,tax. they are on an all out assault on the second amendment,weakening our military,class warfare and government control over our very healthcare.AND THE LIST OF THE SOCIALIST[COMMUNIST] AGENDA THEY ARE PUSHING AND ENACTING GOES ON AND ON .Stalin would be proud

that was supposed to be a secret!!! :mad:
 
People with brains actually understand what socialism really is. Obviously people on this thread have no clue. Here, let me help you folks out.

Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in.




That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in.




That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in.


Yeah, I see and hear many, many people advocating the above definition of socialism,,,,,,NOT!

I don't see anyone arguing with them.

I think all that time you spent getting raped in prison has really fucked with your cognitive abilities.

You'll not like the result of that post.
 
Good!

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.
and that means you are a libb.
I don't know what that means. But it's probably completely mistaken.
 
Definition of SOCIALISM by kiwiman. 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. No Source. Here is a better one: so•cial•ism /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ Noun
1. A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...(in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. Question to the ultra right and libertarian loons: how is the Reed-McConnel plan a “socialist plan”?


2 : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in. Well, that's an assertion without evidence.

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in. Well, that's an assertion without evidence.

No wonder the ultra right gets maybe 10% of the vote and the libertars about 3%. They are simply so empty: just yelling and smelling.
Hey spongebrain square head...Those are DEFINITIONS....
 
It seems sadly obvious that most if not all of those who parrot the far-right's condemnation of the Progressive left as having a socialist agenda and choosing to embrace communism have little to no idea what communism and socialism are about. I suspect most of these corporatist acolytes are of an age and occupy a social category in which their working class parents provided them with a comfortable middle class upbringing as the direct result of moderate socialist influence on the U.S. Economy which came about because of the New Deal.

These pathetically ignorant ingrates are blind to the fact that the socialist influences which facilitated their middle class lifestyles have been and are being incrementally removed by an emerging corporatocracy which is dedicated to renewing the Robber Baron era by eliminating the middle class and restoring the Gilded Age. What is most discouraging about this cult of ignorance is in spite of abundant evidence of the systematic reversal of middle class fortune there are none so blind as they who will not see.

They proudly carry the executioner's axe to their own beheading.

Or, the Foundation of Statist Progressivism, being what it is, now altering the balance between itself and the Corporate Monopolies, it has been protecting, and conspiring with, and benefiting from, over the generations, want's for now, a bigger share of the booty, and later, all of it.
What exactly is the difference between a soft tyranny and a hard tyranny?
Answer: Time.
What is Tyranny really about?
Answer:Total Control.
Totalitarianism's greatest Threat?
Answer: Individual Voice, Witness, Testament against it.
How to defeat opposition? Confiscate property, possession, ability to provide. Discredit, Character assassination.
Answer: Time.

The difference between you and I is my axe is bought and paid for, yours is on loan. Further, the State cannot coerce my to do harm with it, without cause. I act as an Individual without compulsion. You can choose still, there is no substitute for purpose. There is no substitute for conscience, as offensive as that is to a Statist, it is the path to Salvation, something the State will not and cannot understand. Centralized control, one size fits all, is about surrender and conformity. Every injustice, that it is responsible for, every misstep, does have a cost. No construct, no mechanism, is of more importance, than it's purpose for being, or that which it was created to benefit or serve.
 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrA9zj94NuU]MAXINE WATERS OUTS THE DEMS SOCIALIST AGENDA - YouTube[/ame]
Good!

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.

You mean progressive/liberal/socialist/commie. Oh Ya I have bad news for you, there is no utopia and never will be...:D

Consolation prize though - free pic of yo favorit, the black hole...

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...:badgrin:
 
Definition of SOCIALISM by kiwiman. 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. No Source. Here is a better one: so•cial•ism /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ Noun
1. A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...(in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. Question to the ultra right and libertarian loons: how is the Reed-McConnel plan a “socialist plan”?


2 : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in. Well, that's an assertion without evidence.

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in. Well, that's an assertion without evidence.

No wonder the ultra right gets maybe 10% of the vote and the libertars about 3%. They are simply so empty: just yelling and smelling.
Hey spongebrain square head...Those are DEFINITIONS....
Ultra right sponge brains and libertarian square heads don't get it at all.

To define socialism as "a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state" and then state "That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in" is an ASSERTION. There is no evidence.

To define socialism as "a system of society or group living in which there is no private property That's exactly what Obama and his drones believe in" is an ASSERTION. There is no evidence.
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Sheesh.
 
Well so far this thread is just plain pathetic.
If you folks are going to make accusations about an entire ideology and all you can do is point out one fringe lefty loony (Maxine Waters), you ain't got much!
I'm a patience person I can wait.

OK, it looks like the folks who swear anyone that is to the left of them must be a socialist can only name one person (Maxine Waters) from the left who actually does embrace socialism! And this deserved a thread????
This would like me saying that all the folks on the right are fucking crazy and use Michelle Bachmann as my proof! :D Now, I personally know some folks that are conservatives who aren't fucking crazy, as a matter of fact I know a lot of very sane conservatives. So I'd be lying my ass off if I generalized using Bachmann as my proof that all conservatives are fucking crazy.
Next time someone wants to demonize an ideology, how about they use a term that they actually understand the meaning of the term. Would that be asking too much? Thank you and have a swell day/night.
 
they do !!! when questioned about this most leftist do not even deny it.they believe in income redistribution ,gov regulations out the ass,and tax,tax,tax. they are on an all out assault on the second amendment,weakening our military,class warfare and government control over our very healthcare.AND THE LIST OF THE SOCIALIST[COMMUNIST] AGENDA THEY ARE PUSHING AND ENACTING GOES ON AND ON .Stalin would be proud

And yet the right keeps funding our socialized national security with Keynesian defense spending that dwarfs the rest of the world.

Chew on that one, nitwit.
 

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