The Left Controls the Media

[Zoom]

I was under the impression Fox was the number one rated station out there. IF so, here is a question. Are they left leaning?

What is the basis of your question?

Certainly, not logic.

Did you believe "Fox was the number one rated" = "left leaning"?

No, Fox is "Fair and Balanced," as well as "number one rated."

In point of fact Fox hires more Liberals than the other cables hire conservatives.

Alan Colmes
Susan Estrich
Bob Beckel
Juan Williams
Mara Laiason
Mort Kondrache
Kirsten Powers
Shepard Smith
Pat Caddell
Greta Van Sustren (defended Clinton)
Geraldo Rivera
Leslie Marshall
Lanny Davis
Ellis Henican
Ed Henry
Marc Lamont Hill
Professor Caroline Heldman
Representative Martin Frost
Nina Easton
Judy Miller
Evan Bayh
Joe Trippi
Joey Jackson
Alicia Menendez
Juan Hernandez
A.B.Stoddard
Lis Wiehl
Kimberly Guilfoyle
John Roberts
Rick Folbaum

How many of these folks have a show on Fox? Greta Van Palin is left? Wow. Juan Williams is left? Oh my goodness. Shepard Smith is more down the middle than anything, but I am sure he is not a dem.

You honestly believe they are not right leaning. OH and that was funny you saying they are fair and balanced. I got a chuckle out of that one. I honestly did. No one actually believes that. You were joking, right?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No one actually believes that. You were joking, right?

Sadly, no.

 

[whitehall]

The left controls the media because the media is comprised of educated people.

Now we are making progress. The left admits that the media is left wing. Whether or not they are "educated" is a topic for discussion.

 

[edthecynic]

So, what is going on? Capital Research Center (op. cit.) explains it this way: Create a media outlet that will produce left-wing “investigative” hit pieces that can be given to cash-strapped newspapers at no cost. NBC…AP…wherever you get your news….The Left has a well-funded effort underway.

The Capital Research Center is a conservative think tank whose stated mission is to do "opposition research" exposing the funding sources behind consumer, health and environmental groups. The CRC was founded in 1984 by Willa Johnson. Prior to founding CRC Johnson had been Senior Vice President of the Heritage Foundation, then worked as Deputy Director of the Office of Presidential Personnel in the first Reagan administration

"The Capital Research Center is a conservative think tank..."

I was hoping some slow-witted dolt would jump at the bait....Right on cue, Beets!


Now...how conservative is Slate.com???


How 'bout dat, boyeeeeeee???

More CON$ervative than FOX!

 

[NoNukes]

The left controls the media because the media is comprised of educated people.

Speaking of education....here comes yours:

1. The radicals of the sixties did not remain within the universities…They realized that the apocalypse never materialized. “…they were dropping off into environmentalism and consumerism and fatalism…I watched many of my old comrades apply to graduate school in universities they had failed to burn down, so they could get advanced degrees and spread the ideas that had been discredited in the streets under an academic cover.” Collier and Horowitz, “Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About The Sixties,” p. 294-295.

2. “The radicals were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.” Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51

3. “[The radicals] did not go away or change their minds; the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.” Ibid p. 53

4. [Dr. Thomas Sowell] has an enviable gift for showing that many of our social problems arise from the differences between “the theories of intellectuals and the realities of the world.” When confronted by these differences, many intellectuals conclude that it’s the world that is “wrong and needs changing.”Intellectuals often make the mistake of basing political analysis on clichés that misrepresent reality. Sowell shows, for instance, how debates about income distribution in the United States have been distorted by a preoccupation with statistical categories.
An Independent Mind by Daniel J. Mahoney, City Journal 18 June 2010


Now then, when you're finished slapping your forehead, say 'thank you,' and be gone.

This means absolutely nothing, one person's opinion. My opinion is different than his and I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community, but this does not mean that I am always correct. When you get over yourself you will realize that no one is slapping their forehead over this, or anything that Ann Coulter has to say.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The left controls the media because the media is comprised of educated people.

Speaking of education....here comes yours:

1. The radicals of the sixties did not remain within the universities…They realized that the apocalypse never materialized. “…they were dropping off into environmentalism and consumerism and fatalism…I watched many of my old comrades apply to graduate school in universities they had failed to burn down, so they could get advanced degrees and spread the ideas that had been discredited in the streets under an academic cover.” Collier and Horowitz, “Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About The Sixties,” p. 294-295.

2. “The radicals were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.” Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51

3. “[The radicals] did not go away or change their minds; the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.” Ibid p. 53

4. [Dr. Thomas Sowell] has an enviable gift for showing that many of our social problems arise from the differences between “the theories of intellectuals and the realities of the world.” When confronted by these differences, many intellectuals conclude that it’s the world that is “wrong and needs changing.”Intellectuals often make the mistake of basing political analysis on clichés that misrepresent reality. Sowell shows, for instance, how debates about income distribution in the United States have been distorted by a preoccupation with statistical categories.
An Independent Mind by Daniel J. Mahoney, City Journal 18 June 2010


Now then, when you're finished slapping your forehead, say 'thank you,' and be gone.

This means absolutely nothing, one person's opinion. My opinion is different than his and I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community, but this does not mean that I am always correct. When you get over yourself you will realize that no one is slapping their forehead over this, or anything that Ann Coulter has to say.

So, a post from the USMB version of Morbus gallicus!

"I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community,..."
I've seen your work, gnat, and you'd hardly be respected in either a homeless shelter or a dog pound

To compare yourself to Dr. Sowell is beyond hubris...it is evidence of a mental disorder.
I realize that you are crazy…not crazy in a ‘let’s paint the kitchen red’ kind of way, but in a ‘gas oven, toothpaste sandwich, I am God’ kind of way.


Has Jodie Foster responded to your notes yet?

 

[Truthmatters]

the media is corporate.

That iss cold hard documented fact.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Capital Research Center is a conservative think tank whose stated mission is to do "opposition research" exposing the funding sources behind consumer, health and environmental groups. The CRC was founded in 1984 by Willa Johnson. Prior to founding CRC Johnson had been Senior Vice President of the Heritage Foundation, then worked as Deputy Director of the Office of Presidential Personnel in the first Reagan administration

"The Capital Research Center is a conservative think tank..."

I was hoping some slow-witted dolt would jump at the bait....Right on cue, Beets!


Now...how conservative is Slate.com???


How 'bout dat, boyeeeeeee???

More CON$ervative than FOX!

So glad that you've verified that you know less than nothing.

"Slate is a liberal current affairs and culture magazine created in 1996 by former New Republic editor Michael Kinsley, initially under the ownership of Microsoft as part of MSN. On 21 December 2004 it was purchased by the Washington Post Company. Since 4 June 2008 Slate has been managed by The Slate Group, an online publishing entity created by the Washington Post Company to develop and manage web-only magazines."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_(magazine)


Here, check to see how 'conservative' it is:
Slate Magazine - Politics, Business, Technology, and the Arts - Slate Magazine

 

[Truthmatters]

The media is coporate owned.

That is a cold hard fact.

 

[edthecynic]

I was under the impression Fox was the number one rated station out there. IF so, here is a question. Are they left leaning?

What is the basis of your question?

Certainly, not logic.

Did you believe "Fox was the number one rated" = "left leaning"?

No, Fox is "Fair and Balanced," as well as "number one rated."

In point of fact Fox hires more Liberals than the other cables hire conservatives.

Alan Colmes
Susan Estrich
Bob Beckel
Juan Williams
Mara Laiason
Mort Kondrache
Kirsten Powers
Shepard Smith
Pat Caddell
Greta Van Sustren (defended Clinton)
Geraldo Rivera
Leslie Marshall
Lanny Davis
Ellis Henican
Ed Henry
Marc Lamont Hill
Professor Caroline Heldman
Representative Martin Frost
Nina Easton
Judy Miller
Evan Bayh
Joe Trippi
Joey Jackson
Alicia Menendez
Juan Hernandez
A.B.Stoddard
Lis Wiehl
Kimberly Guilfoyle
John Roberts
Rick Folbaum

Not a Leftist on the list, just moderates and CON$ervatives. Of course to whacko extremists, anyone to the Right of the Coultergiest is a Leftist. You are obviously desperate to call CON$ervative Dems like Evan Bayh a "Left" winger!

 

[konradv]

They're STILL crying about this now that they have FOX and Rush?!?!

 

[NoNukes]

Speaking of education....here comes yours:

1. The radicals of the sixties did not remain within the universities…They realized that the apocalypse never materialized. “…they were dropping off into environmentalism and consumerism and fatalism…I watched many of my old comrades apply to graduate school in universities they had failed to burn down, so they could get advanced degrees and spread the ideas that had been discredited in the streets under an academic cover.” Collier and Horowitz, “Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About The Sixties,” p. 294-295.

2. “The radicals were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.” Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51

3. “[The radicals] did not go away or change their minds; the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.” Ibid p. 53

4. [Dr. Thomas Sowell] has an enviable gift for showing that many of our social problems arise from the differences between “the theories of intellectuals and the realities of the world.” When confronted by these differences, many intellectuals conclude that it’s the world that is “wrong and needs changing.”Intellectuals often make the mistake of basing political analysis on clichés that misrepresent reality. Sowell shows, for instance, how debates about income distribution in the United States have been distorted by a preoccupation with statistical categories.
An Independent Mind by Daniel J. Mahoney, City Journal 18 June 2010


Now then, when you're finished slapping your forehead, say 'thank you,' and be gone.

This means absolutely nothing, one person's opinion. My opinion is different than his and I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community, but this does not mean that I am always correct. When you get over yourself you will realize that no one is slapping their forehead over this, or anything that Ann Coulter has to say.

So, a post from the USMB version of Morbus gallicus!

"I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community,..."
I've seen your work, gnat, and you'd hardly be respected in either a homeless shelter or a dog pound

To compare yourself to Dr. Sowell is beyond hubris...it is evidence of a mental disorder.
I realize that you are crazy…not crazy in a ‘let’s paint the kitchen red’ kind of way, but in a ‘gas oven, toothpaste sandwich, I am God’ kind of way.


Has Jodie Foster responded to your notes yet?

Your insults prove that you have no argument.

I teach a college course on the 60s and have quite a bit of expertise, along with having lived through that glorious period.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This means absolutely nothing, one person's opinion. My opinion is different than his and I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community, but this does not mean that I am always correct. When you get over yourself you will realize that no one is slapping their forehead over this, or anything that Ann Coulter has to say.

So, a post from the USMB version of Morbus gallicus!

"I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community,..."
I've seen your work, gnat, and you'd hardly be respected in either a homeless shelter or a dog pound

To compare yourself to Dr. Sowell is beyond hubris...it is evidence of a mental disorder.
I realize that you are crazy…not crazy in a ‘let’s paint the kitchen red’ kind of way, but in a ‘gas oven, toothpaste sandwich, I am God’ kind of way.


Has Jodie Foster responded to your notes yet?

Your insults prove that you have no argument.

I teach a college course on the 60s and have quite a bit of expertise, along with having lived through that glorious period.

I would think that you're used to insults, Morbus.

"I teach a college course..."
Based on your writing, it must be Clown College.
Do you get to use that little car when the clowns aren't practicing?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
You didn't know that it's "the 60's, not the 60s"?
What a dunce.

Oh....you nean you specialize in the 60 ounce 'Colt 45'?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
See what I mean?
No understanding of what a disasterous time it was for America...and
the deleterious effects it has left us with.
(Oops...did I end that sentence with a preposition?
Ah...you probably wouldn't notice...)

It seems that rather than 'teaching a course' your meant 'leading a horse.'


The only way you would ever be considered bright would be if I threw a lamp at you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The left controls the media because the media is comprised of educated people.

thats walter lippman, circa 1922, in short the public is to stupid. Oh wait only the righties , right?

Walter Lippmann???
Wow....too bad I can't add a rep!

You know, Traj, you and I are probably the only ones who have read Lippmann.

For those interested...

1. . Modern journalism: use of media to ‘teach’ people. Alter journalism from reporting facts to editorializing in the news, as the elites always know better. Walter Lippmann, in “Public Opinion,” “When properly deployed in the public interest, the manufacture of consent is useful and necessary for a cohesive society, because, in many cases, “the common interests” of the public are not obvious, and only become clear upon careful analysis of the collected data — a critical intellectual exercise in which most people either are uninterested or incapable of doing. Therefore, most people must have the world summarized for them, by the well-informed.” Public Opinion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But even Walter Lippmann learned his lesson.

2. Seventy-four years ago, in 1937, at the height of the New Deal, Walter Lippmann, a repentant progressive, noted that:
“Throughout the world, in the name of progress, men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals, are unanimous in holding that government with its instruments of coercion must by commanding the people how they shall live, direct the course of civilization and fix the shape of things to come. . . . [T]he premises of authoritarian collectivism have become the working beliefs, the self-evident assumptions, the unquestioned axioms, not only of all the revolutionary regimes, but of nearly every effort which lays claim to being enlightened, humane, and progressive.

What worried Lippmann the most—and what should worry us still—was the failure of those who considered themselves progressives to “remember how much of what they cherish as progressive has come by emancipation from political dominion, by the limitation of power, by the release of personal energy from authority and collective coercion.”
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/digital/rahe/default.asp


Trajan, it seems that the failures of public education have fallen to some of us to correct.

 

[NoNukes]

So, a post from the USMB version of Morbus gallicus!

"I am as well educated as Sowell and respected in the academic community,..."
I've seen your work, gnat, and you'd hardly be respected in either a homeless shelter or a dog pound

To compare yourself to Dr. Sowell is beyond hubris...it is evidence of a mental disorder.
I realize that you are crazy…not crazy in a ‘let’s paint the kitchen red’ kind of way, but in a ‘gas oven, toothpaste sandwich, I am God’ kind of way.


Has Jodie Foster responded to your notes yet?

Your insults prove that you have no argument.

I teach a college course on the 60s and have quite a bit of expertise, along with having lived through that glorious period.

I would think that you're used to insults, Morbus.

"I teach a college course..."
Based on your writing, it must be Clown College.
Do you get to use that little car when the clowns aren't practicing?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
You didn't know that it's "the 60's, not the 60s"?
What a dunce.

Oh....you nean you specialize in the 60 ounce 'Colt 45'?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
See what I mean?
No understanding of what a disasterous time it was for America...and
the deleterious effects it has left us with.
(Oops...did I end that sentence with a preposition?
Ah...you probably wouldn't notice...)

It seems that rather than 'teaching a course' your meant 'leading a horse.'


The only way you would ever be considered bright would be if I threw a lamp at you.

Once again, you use insults because you have no argument. I deal with you pseudo intellectuals frequent in the course of my teaching. You type a lot of fancy words, but you say nothing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your insults prove that you have no argument.

I teach a college course on the 60s and have quite a bit of expertise, along with having lived through that glorious period.

I would think that you're used to insults, Morbus.

"I teach a college course..."
Based on your writing, it must be Clown College.
Do you get to use that little car when the clowns aren't practicing?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
You didn't know that it's "the 60's, not the 60s"?
What a dunce.

Oh....you nean you specialize in the 60 ounce 'Colt 45'?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
See what I mean?
No understanding of what a disasterous time it was for America...and
the deleterious effects it has left us with.
(Oops...did I end that sentence with a preposition?
Ah...you probably wouldn't notice...)

It seems that rather than 'teaching a course' your meant 'leading a horse.'


The only way you would ever be considered bright would be if I threw a lamp at you.

Once again, you use insults because you have no argument. I deal with you pseudo intellectuals frequent in the course of my teaching. You type a lot of fancy words, but you say nothing.

Wow!

You recognize 'fancy words'??


Sadly, understanding them is beyond your ken.


"I deal with you pseudo intellectuals frequent in the course of my teaching."
Did you just write "frequent"?

Did you???

Didn't you know they don't charge extra for the "-ly"?

Your vocabulary is as bad as, like, whatever.
I'm having too much fun here.

Yup...you're a college prof.
Probably the Chairman of the Department.

C'mon, Morbus.....

....we both know you don't teach any course.
In fact, it would be astounding if you ever passed any course....at any level.
You're just a dunce with a rich and growing fantasy world.

Based on ability, I'd say you're best suited for the job of hostess on a live bait barge.
Did I hit the nail on the head?
Close?

Dairy Queen??

 

[NYcarbineer]

Your insults prove that you have no argument.

I teach a college course on the 60s and have quite a bit of expertise, along with having lived through that glorious period.

I would think that you're used to insults, Morbus.

"I teach a college course..."
Based on your writing, it must be Clown College.
Do you get to use that little car when the clowns aren't practicing?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
You didn't know that it's "the 60's, not the 60s"?
What a dunce.

Oh....you nean you specialize in the 60 ounce 'Colt 45'?

"the 60's...that glorious period."
See what I mean?
No understanding of what a disasterous time it was for America...and
the deleterious effects it has left us with.
(Oops...did I end that sentence with a preposition?
Ah...you probably wouldn't notice...)

It seems that rather than 'teaching a course' your meant 'leading a horse.'


The only way you would ever be considered bright would be if I threw a lamp at you.

Once again, you use insults because you have no argument. I deal with you pseudo intellectuals frequent in the course of my teaching. You type a lot of fancy words, but you say nothing.

To borrow the line used to describe Gingrich, she's the stupid man's idea of what a smart man sounds like.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives claiming to be victims of media bias is one of the oldest examples of victimology in the modern era.

no not really, an uber- partisan like you knows no difference becasue you eat whats put in front of you, and you are a

you are happy with what you have becasue you probably never started from a point where in you had any intellectual honesty/objectivity anyway. so, to you what was was just left of center say, 20 years ago is now zero on the number line dead center. Anything right of center is now far far right wing. Eat your grass.

Does anyone know what the seemingly random combination of words above is supposed to mean?

Try proving me wrong about something if you think I'm wrong about so much.

 

[mudwhistle]

1. Have you seen the posts by our less informed colleagues challenging the idea that the media is Leftist? Consider this story the next time you read one of those misguided individuals….


2. “New York-based nonprofit news organization ProPublica is getting a boost from NBC, thanks to its new owner Comcast. And New York television viewers will see more investigative stories…. a partnership with ProPublica…ProPublica, which does extensive investigative reporting and data mining,… ProPublica will receive a donation from NBC, and, in return, will get a wider audience for its stories.” http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20111206/MEDIA_ENTERTAINMENT/111209923

3. This is how deeply the Left has infiltrated every form of information disseminaton…from Wikipedia: “ProPublica is a non-profit corporation based in New York City. It describes itself as an independent non-profit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest…ProPublica has partnered with more than 50 different news organizations,…” ProPublica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. So…who is ProPublica? The best comparison would be to say that NBC just agreed to take its news from the old Pravda.

a. ProPublica began funded by a billionaire husband and wife team who not only spent millions campaigning for President Obama but also topped donor lists to groups like ACORN and MoveOn.org. On its website, Pro Publica describes itself as championing the values of the “weak” against the “strong.”

b. The $10 million yearly grant from Herbert and Marion Sandler, the former chief executives of the Golden West Financial Corporation, which was one of the nation’s largest mortgage lenders and savings and loans. Just before the financial crisis, the Sandlers in 2008 sold their business to the Wachovia Corporation for about $26 billion. The Sandlers are major donors to the Democratic Party and are top funders of ACORN, MoveOn.org, the American Civil Liberties Union and other far-leftist groups like Human Rights Watch.
NBC newsroom gets fresh leftist invasion. Network teams up with


5. Still not convinced about the control of the media? Perhaps these Leftists simply want to invest in excellence in journalism? Think again. This from the Left-leaning Slate:Slate journalist Jack Shafer raised questions [http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...what_do_herbert_and_marion_sandler_want.html] about Pro Publica's ability to provide independent nonpartisan journalism given the nature of Sandler's other political donations which include "giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democratic Party campaigns." The concern was borne out in a vicious December 2008 attack on natural gas drilling that followed the Democrat no-American-energy agenda. Pro Publica

6. From the Capital Research Center: ProPublica “churns out little more than left-wing hit pieces about Sarah Palin and blames the U.S. government for giving out too little foreign aid.” http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1241117859.pdf


7. Oh…and BTW….”The Associated Press today announced a program to promote nonprofit investigative journalism, including articles from ProPublica, to its members for republication. The material will be distributed to AP members—including essentially all of the nation’s leading newspapers—through the Web-based delivery system AP Exchange .” Associated Press Joins Steal Our Stories Movement - ProPublica

8. So, what is going on? Capital Research Center (op. cit.) explains it this way: Create a media outlet that will produce left-wing “investigative” hit pieces that can be given to cash-strapped newspapers at no cost. NBC…AP…wherever you get your news….The Left has a well-funded effort underway.

Funny how so many billionaires are helping Obama.

 

[Trajan]

The left controls the media because the media is comprised of educated people.

thats walter lippman, circa 1922, in short the public is to stupid. Oh wait only the righties , right?

Walter Lippmann???
Wow....too bad I can't add a rep!

You know, Traj, you and I are probably the only ones who have read Lippmann.

For those interested...

1. . Modern journalism: use of media to ‘teach’ people. Alter journalism from reporting facts to editorializing in the news, as the elites always know better. Walter Lippmann, in “Public Opinion,” “When properly deployed in the public interest, the manufacture of consent is useful and necessary for a cohesive society, because, in many cases, “the common interests” of the public are not obvious, and only become clear upon careful analysis of the collected data — a critical intellectual exercise in which most people either are uninterested or incapable of doing. Therefore, most people must have the world summarized for them, by the well-informed.” Public Opinion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But even Walter Lippmann learned his lesson.

2. Seventy-four years ago, in 1937, at the height of the New Deal, Walter Lippmann, a repentant progressive, noted that:
“Throughout the world, in the name of progress, men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals, are unanimous in holding that government with its instruments of coercion must by commanding the people how they shall live, direct the course of civilization and fix the shape of things to come. . . . [T]he premises of authoritarian collectivism have become the working beliefs, the self-evident assumptions, the unquestioned axioms, not only of all the revolutionary regimes, but of nearly every effort which lays claim to being enlightened, humane, and progressive.

What worried Lippmann the most—and what should worry us still—was the failure of those who considered themselves progressives to “remember how much of what they cherish as progressive has come by emancipation from political dominion, by the limitation of power, by the release of personal energy from authority and collective coercion.”
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/digital/rahe/default.asp


Trajan, it seems that the failures of public education have fallen to some of us to correct.

*shrugs* I had good teachers and a possess a healthy curiosity and I like to read, thats all it takes.