The importance of going to hell.

[Steven_R]

Misleading young people into worshiping a deity that demands blind devotion...or else... is a worse idea.

Hell doesn't exist because God doesn't exist as anything more than some Bronze Age goat-herding tribe's mythology. It's just as factual as Egyptian mythology, Norse mythology, or Star Wars.

 

[anotherlife]

Hell is not literal fire, that is a metaphor. Hell is eternal separation from God, with all that implies.

God is the source of all light, the source of all truth, the source of all life, the source of all love. Being cut off from the source of all light, truth, life and love for all eternity is what hell is. It's actually much worse than fire, if you think about it.

This is not a decision God makes. If you read the Parable of the Prodigal Son, God wants us all back, no matter how much we've done wrong, or how long we've been gone.

Atheist objections that somehow God is to blame for people's decision to reject him are illogical. The decision to reject God must be possible as a consequence of free will.

Then it's a tautology. If God permeates the universe, you can't exactly step off the universe.

Or, to look at it another way, you're separated from God right now (unless you hear someone speaking to you that no one else can hear, in which case I'd suggest that's probably not God), and you're doing just fine.

The idea that finite created beings can comprehend the intentions of That Which Created Them because of something they read in a book is...mind-boggling.

And I say this as someone raised in a fundamentalist religion.

Also, hell is not in this universe so that it why it is possible that God is not there.

No, because God is defined as omnipotent. So God is present in every universe and in between.

 

[anotherlife]

I believe hell would be a dark place, but I do not believe it would be hot or cold. Perhaps people in hell would have the company of other people, perhaps not. If there were company, it would not be a pleasant experience, since there would be no love between the people in hell.

You have just described the standard American medium security prison.

 

[anotherlife]

Misleading young people into worshiping a deity that demands blind devotion...or else... is a worse idea.

Hell doesn't exist because God doesn't exist as anything more than some Bronze Age goat-herding tribe's mythology. It's just as factual as Egyptian mythology, Norse mythology, or Star Wars.

Something exists on top of everyone's ego pyramid. If you don't put God on that top, then you put yourself up there. Sooner or later, every human meets its match. God on the other hand ....

 

[anotherlife]

Hell should be the preferred destination for a whole lot of folks who want with all their hearts to remove God from everything. I would venture a guess that in Hell, these folks will have achieved their desire for I do not believe God will be in Hell.

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

 

[Mudda]

Hell should be the preferred destination for a whole lot of folks who want with all their hearts to remove God from everything. I would venture a guess that in Hell, these folks will have achieved their desire for I do not believe God will be in Hell.

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

 

[the_human_being]

Hell should be the preferred destination for a whole lot of folks who want with all their hearts to remove God from everything. I would venture a guess that in Hell, these folks will have achieved their desire for I do not believe God will be in Hell.

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

Actually, I've already decided against making hell my own final destination. Hell will be flooded over with lesbians, gays, trannies, pedophiles, liberals and Democrats and sundry other misfits, freaks and those who comprise the very underbelly of society. I simply wouldn't fit in.

 

[Mudda]

Hell should be the preferred destination for a whole lot of folks who want with all their hearts to remove God from everything. I would venture a guess that in Hell, these folks will have achieved their desire for I do not believe God will be in Hell.

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

Actually, I've already decided against making hell my own final destination. Hell will be flooded over with lesbians, gays, trannies, pedophiles, liberals and Democrats and sundry other misfits, freaks and those who comprise the very underbelly of society. I simply wouldn't fit in.

When you get to hell, say hi to Adolf for me.

 

[hobelim]

Misleading young people into worshiping a deity that demands blind devotion...or else... is a worse idea.

Hell doesn't exist because God doesn't exist as anything more than some Bronze Age goat-herding tribe's mythology. It's just as factual as Egyptian mythology, Norse mythology, or Star Wars.

If hell doesn't exist what would you call the impenetrably confused state of mind of people who are misled into a blind devotion to the worship of a deity that does not exist?

If the goat herders mythology and their figurative depictions of hell as a place devoid of peace, truth, understanding, and consequent suffering caused by confusion, a place of conscious existence that some people are actually in, what would you call the state of mind where people believe in things that never actually happened which perverts their perceptions about what is actually taking place while awaiting a future that will never come while trying to function in a harsh reality that is a torment to believers like that of a consuming fire that will never go out?

 

[the_human_being]

Hell should be the preferred destination for a whole lot of folks who want with all their hearts to remove God from everything. I would venture a guess that in Hell, these folks will have achieved their desire for I do not believe God will be in Hell.

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

Actually, I've already decided against making hell my own final destination. Hell will be flooded over with lesbians, gays, trannies, pedophiles, liberals and Democrats and sundry other misfits, freaks and those who comprise the very underbelly of society. I simply wouldn't fit in.

When you get to hell, say hi to Adolf for me.

I would have thought the Marquis de Sade would have been more of a friend to your kind.

 

[Mudda]

Hell should be the preferred destination for a whole lot of folks who want with all their hearts to remove God from everything. I would venture a guess that in Hell, these folks will have achieved their desire for I do not believe God will be in Hell.

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

Actually, I've already decided against making hell my own final destination. Hell will be flooded over with lesbians, gays, trannies, pedophiles, liberals and Democrats and sundry other misfits, freaks and those who comprise the very underbelly of society. I simply wouldn't fit in.

When you get to hell, say hi to Adolf for me.

I would have thought the Marquis de Sade would have been more of a friend to your kind.

I'm not going to hell, you know why? Because no such place has ever been proven for real.

 

[the_human_being]

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

Actually, I've already decided against making hell my own final destination. Hell will be flooded over with lesbians, gays, trannies, pedophiles, liberals and Democrats and sundry other misfits, freaks and those who comprise the very underbelly of society. I simply wouldn't fit in.

When you get to hell, say hi to Adolf for me.

I would have thought the Marquis de Sade would have been more of a friend to your kind.

I'm not going to hell, you know why? Because no such place has ever been proven for real.

Yes you will. We all end up there. Hell is a hole in the ground. The people in England during the last century put their apples in hell for storage. Hell is nothing more than the grave

 

[anotherlife]

Misleading young people into worshiping a deity that demands blind devotion...or else... is a worse idea.

Hell doesn't exist because God doesn't exist as anything more than some Bronze Age goat-herding tribe's mythology. It's just as factual as Egyptian mythology, Norse mythology, or Star Wars.

If hell doesn't exist what would you call the impenetrably confused state of mind of people who are misled into a blind devotion to the worship of a deity that does not exist?

If the goat herders mythology and their figurative depictions of hell as a place devoid of peace, truth, understanding, and consequent suffering caused by confusion, a place of conscious existence that some people are actually in, what would you call the state of mind where people believe in things that never actually happened which perverts their perceptions about what is actually taking place while awaiting a future that will never come while trying to function in a harsh reality that is a torment to believers like that of a consuming fire that will never go out?

You mean like to be a citizen of a communist or socialist society?

 

[Mudda]

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

Actually, I've already decided against making hell my own final destination. Hell will be flooded over with lesbians, gays, trannies, pedophiles, liberals and Democrats and sundry other misfits, freaks and those who comprise the very underbelly of society. I simply wouldn't fit in.

When you get to hell, say hi to Adolf for me.

I would have thought the Marquis de Sade would have been more of a friend to your kind.

I'm not going to hell, you know why? Because no such place has ever been proven for real.

Yes you will. We all end up there. Hell is a hole in the ground. The people in England during the last century put their apples in hell for storage. Hell is nothing more than the grave

You should either buy a dictionary or a clue. Your choice.

 

[Campbell]

Why not go to hell? This is why hell is quintessential for you. You need to repair your collaterals as you go on in life. This is however impossible, because this would require to reset time. So, who can reset time? Only the Creator can. Resetting it then requires that you are not put back in the simulation, so hell with you. Your take?

Still don't get it do you? When you're dead you're dead. The last stopping point, the finale, the last, the finish, the conclusion:

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~ (excerpt from his obituary)

 

[Mudda]

Why not go to hell? This is why hell is quintessential for you. You need to repair your collaterals as you go on in life. This is however impossible, because this would require to reset time. So, who can reset time? Only the Creator can. Resetting it then requires that you are not put back in the simulation, so hell with you. Your take?

Still don't get it do you? When you're dead you're dead. The last stopping point, the finale, the last, the finish, the conclusion:

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~ (excerpt from his obituary)

How do you know that death is "The last stopping point, the finale, the last, the finish, the conclusion" and that we don't for example, re-incarnate or go to heaven? Got anything?

 

[hobelim]

Misleading young people into worshiping a deity that demands blind devotion...or else... is a worse idea.

Hell doesn't exist because God doesn't exist as anything more than some Bronze Age goat-herding tribe's mythology. It's just as factual as Egyptian mythology, Norse mythology, or Star Wars.

If hell doesn't exist what would you call the impenetrably confused state of mind of people who are misled into a blind devotion to the worship of a deity that does not exist?

If the goat herders mythology and their figurative depictions of hell as a place devoid of peace, truth, understanding, and consequent suffering caused by confusion, a place of conscious existence that some people are actually in, what would you call the state of mind where people believe in things that never actually happened which perverts their perceptions about what is actually taking place while awaiting a future that will never come while trying to function in a harsh reality that is a torment to believers like that of a consuming fire that will never go out?

You mean like to be a citizen of a communist or socialist society?

I suppose it could apply but no, I was being a little vague but since you asked I was specifically referring to religious beliefs since hell itself is a religious belief.

Its like those who profess to believe that the earth is 6000 years old but the evidence provided by actual reality contradicts that belief or those who profess to believe that Jesus was a god that became a man that hates gays and loves republicans and will float down from the sky one day, any minute, to destroy unbelievers even though actual reality contradicts those beliefs.

To all those who maintain irrational religious beliefs reality itself is like a consuming fire that will never go out.

 

[Campbell]

Why not go to hell? This is why hell is quintessential for you. You need to repair your collaterals as you go on in life. This is however impossible, because this would require to reset time. So, who can reset time? Only the Creator can. Resetting it then requires that you are not put back in the simulation, so hell with you. Your take?

Still don't get it do you? When you're dead you're dead. The last stopping point, the finale, the last, the finish, the conclusion:

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~ (excerpt from his obituary)

How do you know that death is "The last stopping point, the finale, the last, the finish, the conclusion" and that we don't for example, re-incarnate or go to heaven? Got anything?

Put me in the same arena with Einstein. He and Thomas Jefferson have always been heroes of mine:

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter"
~excerpt from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams~

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~ (excerpt from his obituary)

 

[anotherlife]

Hell should be the preferred destination for a whole lot of folks who want with all their hearts to remove God from everything. I would venture a guess that in Hell, these folks will have achieved their desire for I do not believe God will be in Hell.

Good. So every communist will be happy to go to hell. By the way, God must exist in hell too, Jesus Christ is speculated to have visited it too. The difference with hell is that prayer doesn't work from it.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE ON YOUR OWN? OR DOES ONE OF THE ORDERLIES HAVE TO ACCOMPANY YOU?

Hmmm ... Sounds like you are trying to yell yourself out of hell. Does that work?

 

[anotherlife]

Why not go to hell? This is why hell is quintessential for you. You need to repair your collaterals as you go on in life. This is however impossible, because this would require to reset time. So, who can reset time? Only the Creator can. Resetting it then requires that you are not put back in the simulation, so hell with you. Your take?

Still don't get it do you? When you're dead you're dead. The last stopping point, the finale, the last, the finish, the conclusion:

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~ (excerpt from his obituary)

This probably not true. Even based on wave equations, at a minimum. But is a measured universe everything, anyways?