The Future of Innovation: Can America Keep Pace?

Wow Fareed Zakaria really???

"The Post American World" by Fareed Zakaria is Obama's Favorite Book!

I'm guessing you've never read said book.

You, on the other hand, probably think it is insightful. What I do not understand is why he looks at the European system, which had to rebuild from scratch post WWII, and thinks that we should try to copy it. Does it really make sense to think that the government, which lives off of the very infrastructure he thinks we need to abandon, is actually going to work to eliminate itself.

Taxes should be used only for one thing, as revenue for the government. We have used them in this country to make social policy for decades. The problems that Zakaria looks to the government to solve were created, and are sustained, by the government. Why do you think BP had no qualms about handing $20 billion to the government? Doing so made the government a partner with them in limited the damages they have to pay, and you supported it.

I do agree with him about one thing, America needs to lead. We need to stop looking at the rest of the world and trying to do things the same way they do, we need to find out what works and do it. The government cannot do that for one simple reason, the government cannot accept failure. Look at how hard it is to stop doing something everyone things should stop, like building a completely useless spare engine for the new JSF. The pentagon has cancelled it every single year, Bush and Obama both left it out of their budgets, yet it still gets funding because it keeps a few hundred people employed in a key congressional district.

The government never backs down when they get it wrong, they just keep spending money because it is the way they do things, and not spending money makes them the enemies of someone whose job is going to die because that particular plant is going to close. No congressman is ever going to go back to his district and tell them that he voted to close a plant because it was the right thing to do. Having the government "invest" in green energy is just going to have us supporting a plant that makes solar panels while someone in Somalia builds fusion bottles than can be put into garages because they do not have to deal with the paperwork and regulations that stifle innovation.

The problem with this country is not that private enterprise is not ready, willing, and able to innovate, the problem is that the government will not let them.

I think Zakaria makes an argument people need to near in a concise and articulate manner, but it's nothing groundbreaking.

Your argument rests on an invalid premise. There isn't a conflict between what other nations do and what works. Some things other nations do work, some things they do don't work.

Also, you should really stop attributing beliefs to other people (re: Gulf oil spill, for example).
 
I'm guessing you've never read said book.

You, on the other hand, probably think it is insightful. What I do not understand is why he looks at the European system, which had to rebuild from scratch post WWII, and thinks that we should try to copy it. Does it really make sense to think that the government, which lives off of the very infrastructure he thinks we need to abandon, is actually going to work to eliminate itself.

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I do agree with him about one thing, America needs to lead. We need to stop looking at the rest of the world and trying to do things the same way they do, we need to find out what works and do it.

Innovation doesn't mean you put on blinders and "stop looking at the rest of the world." Indeed, the least innovative corporations tend to be those that are inward focused.

What astonishes me about Zakaria is his slavish devotion to what has always been his constituancy: The MSM Elite, and how he is able to balance this with his genuiely rock hard conservativism (He was a member of perhaps the most conservative of clubs in America, Yale's "Party of the Right.")

One almost wonders if he's parodying Leftist Eliteists rather that butting heads with them in the William F. Buckley manner.

It does leave me confused some times. I enjoy reading him, and really think he is insightful about the problems and even some of what caused them, but he seems to think we should trust the very agencies that created them to fix them.

Using taxes to push people into going green is stupid. People have been edging that way for years, and it will eventually happen through social pressure. Attempting to make everything more expensive is just going to force people to find ways to get power that are less green as a black market pops up to provide coal to heat houses and illegal gasoline to fuel generators. If we keep going down that path the elite will see how truly innovative Americans are.

Prohibition never works, and that is essentially what the left wants to impose on us in order to get everyone to use clean energy.
 
I'm guessing you've never read said book.

You, on the other hand, probably think it is insightful. What I do not understand is why he looks at the European system, which had to rebuild from scratch post WWII, and thinks that we should try to copy it. Does it really make sense to think that the government, which lives off of the very infrastructure he thinks we need to abandon, is actually going to work to eliminate itself.

Taxes should be used only for one thing, as revenue for the government. We have used them in this country to make social policy for decades. The problems that Zakaria looks to the government to solve were created, and are sustained, by the government. Why do you think BP had no qualms about handing $20 billion to the government? Doing so made the government a partner with them in limited the damages they have to pay, and you supported it.

I do agree with him about one thing, America needs to lead. We need to stop looking at the rest of the world and trying to do things the same way they do, we need to find out what works and do it. The government cannot do that for one simple reason, the government cannot accept failure. Look at how hard it is to stop doing something everyone things should stop, like building a completely useless spare engine for the new JSF. The pentagon has cancelled it every single year, Bush and Obama both left it out of their budgets, yet it still gets funding because it keeps a few hundred people employed in a key congressional district.

The government never backs down when they get it wrong, they just keep spending money because it is the way they do things, and not spending money makes them the enemies of someone whose job is going to die because that particular plant is going to close. No congressman is ever going to go back to his district and tell them that he voted to close a plant because it was the right thing to do. Having the government "invest" in green energy is just going to have us supporting a plant that makes solar panels while someone in Somalia builds fusion bottles than can be put into garages because they do not have to deal with the paperwork and regulations that stifle innovation.

The problem with this country is not that private enterprise is not ready, willing, and able to innovate, the problem is that the government will not let them.

I think Zakaria makes an argument people need to near in a concise and articulate manner, but it's nothing groundbreaking.

Your argument rests on an invalid premise. There isn't a conflict between what other nations do and what works. Some things other nations do work, some things they do don't work.

Also, you should really stop attributing beliefs to other people (re: Gulf oil spill, for example).

What the fuck?

Where did I ever say we should not do what works? I have actually asked repeatedly what is wrong with allowing other countries to make all the stupid mistakes and adapting new technologies after they find out what does work. What I object to is the idea that we need to use taxes to accomplish getting our country on track. That implies that, without the government, America is useless.

Our government does not shape this country, the country shapes the government. That is something so many people loose sight of even as they object to the efforts of the other side to do exactly the same thing. Social engineering through government edict is always a bad idea because the other side will eventually be in power and try to accomplish their version of social engineering. I pretty much despise Newt, but that is one thing he got right when he commented on Ryan's plan for Medicare.

By the way, I did not attribute any beliefs to anyone, I asked a question to illustrate how our government walks in lockstep with the very infrastructure that Zakaris thinks we need to eliminate. Asking the government to eliminate the oil industry is asking it to eliminate one of its largest sources of revenue. Why would anyone think that will really happen, no matter who is in charge?
 
How ironic.

You "conservatives" do everything you CAN, to gut any-and-all school-programs that encourage imagination & creativity....and, then, whine & complain when schools can only manage to produce glorified bean-counters, like yourselves!

What school programs encourage imagination & creativity?
 
How ironic.

You "conservatives" do everything you CAN, to gut any-and-all school-programs that encourage imagination & creativity....and, then, whine & complain when schools can only manage to produce glorified bean-counters, like yourselves!

What school programs encourage imagination & creativity?

you would have to ask him.....now we get to see more 3rd grade art work....:eusa_eh:
 
How ironic.

You "conservatives" do everything you CAN, to gut any-and-all school-programs that encourage imagination & creativity....and, then, whine & complain when schools can only manage to produce glorified bean-counters, like yourselves!

What school programs encourage imagination & creativity?

Charter schools and vouchers, the ones the left doesn't like.
 
You, on the other hand, probably think it is insightful. What I do not understand is why he looks at the European system, which had to rebuild from scratch post WWII, and thinks that we should try to copy it. Does it really make sense to think that the government, which lives off of the very infrastructure he thinks we need to abandon, is actually going to work to eliminate itself.

.....
I do agree with him about one thing, America needs to lead. We need to stop looking at the rest of the world and trying to do things the same way they do, we need to find out what works and do it.

Innovation doesn't mean you put on blinders and "stop looking at the rest of the world." Indeed, the least innovative corporations tend to be those that are inward focused.

What astonishes me about Zakaria is his slavish devotion to what has always been his constituancy: The MSM Elite, and how he is able to balance this with his genuiely rock hard conservativism (He was a member of perhaps the most conservative of clubs in America, Yale's "Party of the Right.")

One almost wonders if he's parodying Leftist Eliteists rather that butting heads with them in the William F. Buckley manner.

It does leave me confused some times. I enjoy reading him, and really think he is insightful about the problems and even some of what caused them, but he seems to think we should trust the very agencies that created them to fix them.

Using taxes to push people into going green is stupid. People have been edging that way for years, and it will eventually happen through social pressure. Attempting to make everything more expensive is just going to force people to find ways to get power that are less green as a black market pops up to provide coal to heat houses and illegal gasoline to fuel generators. If we keep going down that path the elite will see how truly innovative Americans are.

Prohibition never works, and that is essentially what the left wants to impose on us in order to get everyone to use clean energy.

The left, or the right, or everyone in between, seems incapable of doing anything outside the status quo. What astounds me is California, the usual bellweather of energy change, also seens unable to release its grip on the status quo (gasoline vs. methane).
 
Much of innovation in America for the past couple of decades has just been for innovations sake and served little real purpose.
 
Much of innovation in America for the past couple of decades has just been for innovations sake and served little real purpose.

Oh really?

Do you have a computer?

Cell phone?

Flat screen TV?

Satellite TV?

Take statin drugs for your heart?

Had laser eye surgery?

Artificial joints?
 
The Future of Innovation: Can America Keep Pace?

Republicans think America is to poor to educate its people.
We have to get rid of our teachers. :confused:


---- bluecoller -- the grumpy old kraut-------:evil:
 
The Future of Innovation: Can America Keep Pace?
By Fareed Zakaria Sunday, June 05, 2011

"The first step to winning the future is encouraging American innovation." That was Barack Obama in his State of the Union address last January, when he hit the theme repeatedly, using the word innovation or innovate 11 times. And on this issue, at least, Republicans seem in sync with Obama. Listen to Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich or Mitch Daniels and the word innovation pops up again and again. Everyone wants innovation and agrees that it is the key to America's future.

Innovation is as American as apple pie. It seems to accord with so many elements of our national character — ingenuity, freedom, flexibility, the willingness to question conventional wisdom and defy authority. But politicians are pinning their hopes on innovation for more urgent reasons. America's future growth will have to come from new industries that create new products and processes. Older industries are under tremendous pressure. Technological change is making factories and offices far more efficient. The rise of low-wage manufacturing in China and low-wage services in India is moving jobs overseas. The only durable strength we have — the only one that can withstand these gale winds — is innovation.

The Future of U.S. Innovation: Can Americans Keep Pace? - TIME

Ok, I got the cheese of the Time Article.

large amounts of government funding. The latter may be a controversial topic in theory, but in practice, the rise of technology was clearly fueled by government.



It is a capitalist society I am innovated, have government send me a million for research & development of designing an efficient Wallstreet, banking system that doesn't get hand outs in the Trillions.
 
Everything Obama and the Dems have been doing is designed to crush innovation. Bureaucratic control and innovation are mutually exclusive propositions. What could be more ironic than some servile toady like you who wants the government to run everything whining about the lack of innovation?

The Future of Innovation: Can America Keep Pace?
By Fareed Zakaria Sunday, June 05, 2011

"The first step to winning the future is encouraging American innovation." That was Barack Obama in his State of the Union address last January, when he hit the theme repeatedly, using the word innovation or innovate 11 times. And on this issue, at least, Republicans seem in sync with Obama. Listen to Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich or Mitch Daniels and the word innovation pops up again and again. Everyone wants innovation and agrees that it is the key to America's future.

Innovation is as American as apple pie. It seems to accord with so many elements of our national character — ingenuity, freedom, flexibility, the willingness to question conventional wisdom and defy authority. But politicians are pinning their hopes on innovation for more urgent reasons. America's future growth will have to come from new industries that create new products and processes. Older industries are under tremendous pressure. Technological change is making factories and offices far more efficient. The rise of low-wage manufacturing in China and low-wage services in India is moving jobs overseas. The only durable strength we have — the only one that can withstand these gale winds — is innovation.

The Future of U.S. Innovation: Can Americans Keep Pace? - TIME

There are many areas where government and private industry can work together when it is done to achieve a goal that will benefit both. Energy is one of those industries where they can work together. The problem isn't so much government getting in the way as it is lobbyists thwarting any progress. Government can and does have a positive role in our society. It isn't the boogie man that you make it out to be. At the same time, it can become too big and costly, in which case it can become a problem. Where we are today is in a situation where government is spending too much money on the wrong things. Instead of wasting it on policing the world, we should be using much of that money to promote these new technologies. Do you have any idea how much we have benefited from NASA over the years? Many technological advances came about due to NASA, either directly or indirectly.
 
The Future of Innovation: Can America Keep Pace?

Republicans think America is to poor to educate its people.
We have to get rid of our teachers. :confused:


---- bluecoller -- the grumpy old kraut-------:evil:

I got an idea about rubbing two sticks together, and they will create a rainbow, and then we can go to the end and get a pot of stew. But I don't think I am innovated enough yet. I need government $$INnovation$$ :lol:
 
Conservatives believe in innovation in bundling junk mortgages and such.


The liberal conception of innovation is shutting down power plants that work so we can depend on power plants that produce no power.
 
Who the h*ll is the gov to be telling us wee folk to go innovate?

go innovate a federal budget that makes sense

innovate foriegn policy that makes sense

innovate an energy agenda that makes sense

innovate an enviromental poilicy that makes sense

innovate a tax structure that makes sense

then get back to us....


~S~
 

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