the future cyber war

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    I am wondering what people here think of our country's (USA) ability to conduct cyber war....

    Personally, I think we would have all of our infrastructure and private businesses that operate critical facilities (power, natural resources, all communication) shut down within the first day of cyberware against any skilled opponent, and when people can't email or make phone calls there will be anarchy.

    Not hard to find intelligence reports and even mainstream journalists have reported on the 'patriotic hackers' - private companies who hack into other countries or international businesses, steal info, and then sell them back to their government - inside countries like china and russia. It is also no secret that China is quietly building itself to become the world's #1 power during and after the next big war. Not only are they capable in the conventional military sense, but they also have the largest group of skilled hackers for cyber offense, as well as strictly controlled internet access for the entire country. They will be able to shut off at will any sectors compromised by would be attackers and move on to other areas.

    Almost all of their defenses strategies are strictly unconstituional, but I think something needs to be to better bridge the gap between private companies and even the government itself. Unfortunately, the urgency of this matter has brought about the "cybersecurity act of 2009", which most people will remember as giving the president power to shut down internet connections of priv businesses and gov (just like china has), since we have no real plan in place and only drastic measures can shore us up until its fixed. Most of the effort to get security rolling has been given to NSF and other grant giving instutions, meaning any serious change at a national level is 7 years away at the very least, and much of the "research" will give no real results.

    I believe that until the USA takes cyber warefare as serious as it takes the other branches of the military, that no matter how many planes and tanks we have, we are only a few MB of traffic away from complete destruction.
     
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    Why don't our hackers go after the Chinese?...
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    China cyber-warfare capability a 'formidable concern'
    11 March 2011 - China's growing capabilities in cyber-warfare and intelligence gathering have been described as a "formidable concern" to the United States.
     
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    I was so unpopular at my university for saying that cyberwarfare was the future and that we'd better get used to it.

    I quoted sources like the Peoples' Liberation Army (Chinese Army) at them, but they didn't like an undergraduate computer programmer saying these things. This was back in 2003/2004 btw.

    You wait until the effects of nano-computing takes off (although the term is slightly misleading). Think of it as nano-scale electronics and machinery being used to house semi or fully-cognitive computers chips.
     
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    The next power outage may be due to a Chinese hacker...
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    Internet-based attacks on critical systems rise
    18 April 2011 - Most countries said they expected a cyber attack to disrupt energy supplies within the next two years
     
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    The problem is, most hackers are script kiddies, not in the upper echelon...
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    What US cybersecurity needs: a few more good guys
    May 9, 2011 : In high-tech America, cybersecurity specialists trained for high-stakes fights with hackers are in short supply.

     
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    Uncle Ferd says its dem Chinese tryin' to steal our military secrets...
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    US defence firm Lockheed Martin hit by cyber-attack
    29 May 2011 - Lockheed Martin makes F-16 fighter jets
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    How bad was the cyber attack on Lockheed Martin?
    May 29, 2011 - Last week's cyber attack on top US weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin shows that cyber espionage is evolving and could soon become more of a serious threat to governments and companies.
     
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    Don't surprise Granny - not after the way they did ever'body on their forums...
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    Hackers hit PBS, post 'Tupac still alive' story
    5/30/2011 - 'Lulz Boat' group claims attack was in response to a documentary on WikiLeaks
     
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    US: Cyber-attack is 'act of war'...
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    US Pentagon to treat cyber-attacks as 'acts of war'
    1 June 2011 - US retaliation for cyber-attacks could take many forms
     
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    The government is pushing the electricity "Smart Grid". Cyber criminals, terrorist & foreign country militarily's will have a field day with that. The world as we know it is about to get turned upside down.
     
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    All of them have protection set up already. This is why Lockeed Martin was alerted by it.
    Even our little electric plant here has cyber attack detection.
    Our Internet services have it.
    The Government is trying to get a smart grid so that they can communicate with one another here and overseas.
    Not so sure this is going to be a good thing.
     

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