the fair tax would get rid of the IRS. the fair tax would boost savings. friends, we need a fair Tax

[OnePercenter]

I have the answer!

-Jail all employers that knowingly hire illegal aliens.

-End all Republican worker visa programs.

-Base Federal tax for corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2019 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-offs/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with unlimited employees; employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2019 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 15 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

My plan would reduce business costs for employees and taxes to 30%. That's a 15%-30% drop.

My plan would put BILLIONS into the economy daily.

My plan would put the $100 trillion plus currently owned by corporate America back into the economy.

My plan would end all welfare.

My plan would significantly increase social security and pension payments.

 

[Blues Man]

Nobody has proposed a fair tax where the poor and working class do not end up paying more and the rich do not pay less

That's because the tax system we have now isn't fair as different people get different treatment

The Poor & Middle Class pay tax on 100% of their money & wealthy people pay far less.

You're the one who wants to force people to pay Social Security.

 

[Blues Man]

Nobody has proposed a fair tax where the poor and working class do not end up paying more and the rich do not pay less

That's because the tax system we have now isn't fair as different people get different treatment

Yea...those that can't afford to pay and still EAT...don't pay as much as those that piss away more than those poorer folks MAKE

So you agree that the current tax system is not treating everyone equally

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[Cellblock2429]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

/——-/ People would use bitcoin and bartering to avoid most VAT, Flat Tax, Fair Tax or whatever catchy name you give it.

 

[Oddball]

what we need are the same tax and regulatory problems we had between 1945-1975, when we had the largest middleclass expansion in the country, and a single bread winner could pay for a house, put the kids through college, and still take a vacation. I notice that the wealthy and corporations were doing just fine.

Non sequitur.

All those things occurred because Murica had the only functioning industrial economy on the planet, as all others had been bombed back to the 1880s.

This little fact gets 'spained to you liberoids every time you invoke "the good ole days" and it just bounces off your pointy little heads.

 

[CWayne]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

 

[Blues Man]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

 

[CWayne]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

yes, which means that they would have to send it somewhere, both State and Fed. In other words, an IRS or a similar agency. So, right off the bat, this concept of 'doing away with the IRS' doesn't pan out.

 

[Cellblock2429]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

/----/ And who would audit the taxes collected and paid?

 

[Blues Man]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

yes, which means that they would have to send it somewhere, both State and Fed. In other words, an IRS or a similar agency. So, right off the bat, this concept of 'doing away with the IRS' doesn't pan out.

All they would have to do is set up a bank draft to the United States Treasury.

It really is a lot less labor intensive than dealing with over a couple hundred million individual and business tax returns every year so even if the IRS cannot be eliminated it could be drastically reduced in size and cost.

I don't know if you know how collecting sales taxes works but it is very simple.

All you have to do is program your point of sale software to add the tax then you run a report monthly or quarterly depending on your schedule. All you have to do after that is get on the state website input the numbers and approve a bank draft.

It literally takes less than an hour a month

 

[KissMy]

What would boost savings is paying reasonable interest on savings.

Yes pay reasonable interest & repblicans stop printing money

 

[Blues Man]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

/----/ And who would audit the taxes collected and paid?

I never said the IRS could be 100% abolished

 

[CWayne]

A "fair tax" is nothing but a new name for a flat tax.

Which is a HUGE tax cut for the very wealthy and a MONSTER tax increase for everyone else.

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

yes, which means that they would have to send it somewhere, both State and Fed. In other words, an IRS or a similar agency. So, right off the bat, this concept of 'doing away with the IRS' doesn't pan out.

All they would have to do is set up a bank draft to the United States Treasury.

It really is a lot less labor intensive than dealing with over a couple hundred million individual and business tax returns every year so even if the IRS cannot be eliminated it could be drastically reduced in size and cost

In other words, an IRS, which in case you were not aware of it, is part of the US Treasury.

 

[Blues Man]

False!

Flat Tax--- A "flat tax" is an income tax system in which everyone pays the same tax rate regardless of how much income they have.

Fair Tax-- The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate.

=================================

Fair Tax makes it impossible to cheat on taxes, and no IRS needed as it is immediately applied on every purchase. Save a lot of money and headache in the process.

Fair Tax is way better than Flat Tax, since there are no need to keep track of anything as it is applied every time you buy something. No more tax filings, No more paperwork, no more having to pay more or get a refund on last years taxes, since all that is eliminated by Fair Tax.

The rest you say is old worn out baloney.

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

yes, which means that they would have to send it somewhere, both State and Fed. In other words, an IRS or a similar agency. So, right off the bat, this concept of 'doing away with the IRS' doesn't pan out.

All they would have to do is set up a bank draft to the United States Treasury.

It really is a lot less labor intensive than dealing with over a couple hundred million individual and business tax returns every year so even if the IRS cannot be eliminated it could be drastically reduced in size and cost

In other words, an IRS, which in case you were not aware of it, is part of the US Treasury.

So the fuck what?

I never said the IRS could be abolished but it could be greatly reduced in size and cost

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect

 

[CWayne]

No need? How do you track what tax was paid on each purchase, and then where do you send the collected taxes?

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

yes, which means that they would have to send it somewhere, both State and Fed. In other words, an IRS or a similar agency. So, right off the bat, this concept of 'doing away with the IRS' doesn't pan out.

All they would have to do is set up a bank draft to the United States Treasury.

It really is a lot less labor intensive than dealing with over a couple hundred million individual and business tax returns every year so even if the IRS cannot be eliminated it could be drastically reduced in size and cost

In other words, an IRS, which in case you were not aware of it, is part of the US Treasury.

So the fuck what?

I never said the IRS could be abolished but it could be greatly reduced in size and cost

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect

So, in your subject line for this thread, you say, "The fair Tax would get rid of the IRS."

Are you familiar with the concept of 'deconstructing an argument'?

One picks out the salient points of an argument and then tries to prove or disprove the statement relating to that argument.

So, I always start with the obvious points and go from there.

We now see that one of the main highlights, as described by you, is that the IRS would be eliminated is factually incorrect.

I wonder what else could be proven or disproven?

 

[Blues Man]

Businesses are already set up to collect state sales taxes and send them in monthly or quarterly adding a federal sales tax would be very easy.

yes, which means that they would have to send it somewhere, both State and Fed. In other words, an IRS or a similar agency. So, right off the bat, this concept of 'doing away with the IRS' doesn't pan out.

All they would have to do is set up a bank draft to the United States Treasury.

It really is a lot less labor intensive than dealing with over a couple hundred million individual and business tax returns every year so even if the IRS cannot be eliminated it could be drastically reduced in size and cost

In other words, an IRS, which in case you were not aware of it, is part of the US Treasury.

So the fuck what?

I never said the IRS could be abolished but it could be greatly reduced in size and cost

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect

So, in your subject line for this thread, you say, "The fair Tax would get rid of the IRS."

Are you familiar with the concept of 'deconstructing an argument'?

One picks out the salient points of an argument and then tries to prove or disprove the statement relating to that argument.

So, I always start with the obvious points and go from there.

We now see that one of the main highlights, as described by you, is that the IRS would be eliminated is factually incorrect.

I wonder what else could be proven or disproven?

If you're going to tell me what I said use the quote function. And I didn't start the thread.

You need to learn to read

 

[CWayne]

yes, which means that they would have to send it somewhere, both State and Fed. In other words, an IRS or a similar agency. So, right off the bat, this concept of 'doing away with the IRS' doesn't pan out.

All they would have to do is set up a bank draft to the United States Treasury.

It really is a lot less labor intensive than dealing with over a couple hundred million individual and business tax returns every year so even if the IRS cannot be eliminated it could be drastically reduced in size and cost

In other words, an IRS, which in case you were not aware of it, is part of the US Treasury.

So the fuck what?

I never said the IRS could be abolished but it could be greatly reduced in size and cost

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect

So, in your subject line for this thread, you say, "The fair Tax would get rid of the IRS."

Are you familiar with the concept of 'deconstructing an argument'?

One picks out the salient points of an argument and then tries to prove or disprove the statement relating to that argument.

So, I always start with the obvious points and go from there.

We now see that one of the main highlights, as described by you, is that the IRS would be eliminated is factually incorrect.

I wonder what else could be proven or disproven?

If you're going to tell me what I said use the quote function. And I didn't start the thread.

You need to learn to read

You're right. You are NOT the OP. I wasn't really paying attention to who I was replying to, but to what was being said. I apologize for that. So, adjust what I said appropriately, that one of the basis for the discussion is that the IRS would be eliminated. In deconstructing the argument, we see that the statement does not hold up.

What else in the argument can or cannot be proven?

 

[Blues Man]

All they would have to do is set up a bank draft to the United States Treasury.

It really is a lot less labor intensive than dealing with over a couple hundred million individual and business tax returns every year so even if the IRS cannot be eliminated it could be drastically reduced in size and cost

In other words, an IRS, which in case you were not aware of it, is part of the US Treasury.

So the fuck what?

I never said the IRS could be abolished but it could be greatly reduced in size and cost

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect

So, in your subject line for this thread, you say, "The fair Tax would get rid of the IRS."

Are you familiar with the concept of 'deconstructing an argument'?

One picks out the salient points of an argument and then tries to prove or disprove the statement relating to that argument.

So, I always start with the obvious points and go from there.

We now see that one of the main highlights, as described by you, is that the IRS would be eliminated is factually incorrect.

I wonder what else could be proven or disproven?

If you're going to tell me what I said use the quote function. And I didn't start the thread.

You need to learn to read

You're right. You are NOT the OP. I wasn't really paying attention to who I was replying to, but to what was being said. I apologize for that. So, adjust what I said appropriately, that one of the basis for the discussion is that the IRS would be eliminated. In deconstructing the argument, we see that the statement does not hold up.

What else in the argument can or cannot be proven?

It doesn't matter if the IRS can be completely abolished. It could be greatly reduced in size and cost.

Why isn't that acceptable?

I have no problem with a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax as I think it would generate more revenue and be less costly to implement.

 

[CWayne]

In other words, an IRS, which in case you were not aware of it, is part of the US Treasury.

So the fuck what?

I never said the IRS could be abolished but it could be greatly reduced in size and cost

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect

So, in your subject line for this thread, you say, "The fair Tax would get rid of the IRS."

Are you familiar with the concept of 'deconstructing an argument'?

One picks out the salient points of an argument and then tries to prove or disprove the statement relating to that argument.

So, I always start with the obvious points and go from there.

We now see that one of the main highlights, as described by you, is that the IRS would be eliminated is factually incorrect.

I wonder what else could be proven or disproven?

If you're going to tell me what I said use the quote function. And I didn't start the thread.

You need to learn to read

You're right. You are NOT the OP. I wasn't really paying attention to who I was replying to, but to what was being said. I apologize for that. So, adjust what I said appropriately, that one of the basis for the discussion is that the IRS would be eliminated. In deconstructing the argument, we see that the statement does not hold up.

What else in the argument can or cannot be proven?

It doesn't matter if the IRS can be completely abolished. It could be greatly reduced in size and cost.

Why isn't that acceptable?

I have no problem with a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax as I think it would generate more revenue and be less costly to implement.

I never said it was unacceptable.

I am trying to ascertain what parts of the argument have any validity, and from there, determine the value of the concept of a 'Fair Tax'.

I will give you only this much.

Simply calling it a fair tax does not make it a fair tax, just as saying that a group of people who are against Fascists (antifa) are actually against fascism. This is an example and is not being introduced into the discussion. It is an example of how a title does not necessarily denote the truth about the object.

 

[RealDave]

Nobody has proposed a fair tax where the poor and working class do not end up paying more and the rich do not pay less

That's because the tax system we have now isn't fair as different people get different treatment

The Poor & Middle Class pay tax on 100% of their money & wealthy people pay far less.

You're the one who wants to force people to pay Social Security.

SS taxation was set up as a retirement program with a maximum payout.

I guess you want to make it voluntary.

What will you do with people that failed in that regard & are 70 year old & do not have enough money?