The Environmental Shakedown

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    Environmentalism is the new Socialism.

    RealClearPolitics - The Environmental Shakedown
     
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    This is an expansive description of the "Watermelon Effect."

    The “Watermelon Effect,” it is made up of the ‘green’ pro-environment policies on the outside, hiding the red Marxist redistributive policies on the inside.


    "The Bay Area's Van Jones was a visionary, early recognizing the social justice potential in the green economy. Jones, you may recall, was hounded out of his job as environmental adviser to the White House by conservative talk show host Glenn Beck. Jones is the founder of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in Oakland. In June, the Oakland Green Job Corps, launched by the Ella Baker Center and the Oakland Apollo Alliance, graduated its first class of students, previously handicapped by inadequate education or prison records.


    One of the lessons learned by the job corps organizers is the importance of flexibility. Recognizing the limited number of solar energy jobs, they shifted the program's focus to energy efficiency. But they expect the federal Recovery Act's $500 million allocation for green jobs to kick-start solar and other green construction projects."

    Read more: Green jobs help climate, boost social justice


    BTW, have you seen what the push for 'green jobs' has done to the economy in Spain?
    19% unemployment.

    Read more: Green jobs help climate, boost social justice
     
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    Is it socialist or conservative to want to preserve our planet for future generations?

    Environmentalists are true conservatives. Not like those that just call themselves conservatives. But only think of it in a monetary or social sense.
     
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    More often than not there are unspoken assumptions in a position or argument.

    In your case, you are overlooking, probably unintentionally, the possibility that man has an almost negligible effect on either damaging the planet as a whole, as is the assumption of your argument, or in changing it for the better.

    The forces of nature are huge in comparison.

    Consider, if you will, this possibility, and then consider the draconian 'solutions' that have been proposed by real 'environmentalists.'

    Now, add to the mix the further possibility that the 'environmentalists' are being used by the far left.

    If you are unable conceive of these possibilities, you will see why those on your side are viewed by my side as mere children who can type.


    BTW, how did you like that Jimmy Higdon deal?
     
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    And the problem with environmentalists is that they only think about things in the green sense. They don't consider things like cost efficiency (I really hope you have at least learned what happens to economies when you subsidize the shit out of things), whether or not they will lower people's living standards, etc.

    When an alternative form of energy is the best choice from ALL perspecitives; efficiency, cost, AND environmentally friendly then we will switch. It's that simple.
     
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    No...It's just arrogant.

    Environmentalists are dictatorial collectivist authoritarians....Period.
     
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    The extremist environmentalists don't see humankind as a natural component of the environment - that everything we do is somehow "unnatural". This is of course absurd and based in some deeply rooted self-loathing that is a common thread among many hard-core environmentalists - and religious zealots, of which environmentalism is akin to.

    One need look no further than this example...


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzhueLb47Q[/ame]
     

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