The DOJ Scandal Becomes Clearer

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    There seemed to be a concern with vote fraud the the DOJ but the fraud they were trying to prosicute was determined a non issue by studies into its effect and prevelance on elections.

    There was another funny thing about the cases they pushed for , they only involved Democrats and they were trying to get them pushed up to effect the elections.

    These people are not supporting democracy.

    They were attempting to twart democracy.

    I think there is something all Americans can agree on reguardless of their leanings, We all want to have the people be able to decide our elections not scheeming politicans and political cronnies.
     
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    The fact remains that this is a NON-issue. The attorneys are political appointees who serve at the President's pleasure. Why some people just cannot grasp that fact/concept is pretty amazing.
     
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    we know clear and well that the attorney generals get picked by the president....

    but THIS HAS NOTHING to do with serving at his pleasure(being appointed by him), and those that just TRY to pass it off as ''just that'' are being partisan hacks(trying to deflect from the real issues involved) or being intentionally ignorant on the issue imo!
     
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    ALL 93 Federal Attorneys ALSO serve at the pleasure of the President. I suggest you brush up on your grasp of the law.
     
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    You would be incorrect. Those who are trying to invent an accusation out of nothing would be the "partisan hacks."

    But feel free to show me WHICH President exactly in US history had to justify to a witch hunt his hiring/firing of US attorneys prior to this latest attmpt at sifting through the kitty litter looking for sand.
     
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    that ALSO is a partisan statement and what YOU ARE BEING TOLD to say by your party or your blogs....

    do some research on your own, all presidents replace the attorney generals from the previous presidency when they come on board, especially if there is a change in party.

    president bush did as well, in fact these 8 were ones that replaced the clinton appointees in those districts when bush fired them.

    so what?

    this has nothing to do with the tea in china...

    i would suggest that you read more than the sites you are comfortable with and you will find the facts that we know so far....

    i can't believe you and gunny are still barking up that tree...

    tonight, we've got the 4th resignation of another justice dept employee involved in this fiasco....

    and you all keep mentioning ''the 93'' as if IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION.... Shakes head! :(

    do some homework, on your own.... stop being minions, thoughtless minions.

    and yes, that sounds mean, but this is not my intention....

    i can post legitimate links to all that is going on here but you all would just continue your own way or reject them, so why should i do the work for you? only to be rejected?

    so, i think you need to research it yourself, on your own, and without going to the RNC, GOP, or affliates or the DNC and their affiliates....

    then, you won't be mouthing off that gibberish about clinton 93 and ''the attorney generals serve at the pleasure of the president crapola''..........

    andrew johnson was impeached because he fired one of his appointees for goodness sakes...and the congress did not agree with the firing...


    the attorney generals SERVE US, the American people , IN THE AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM, at the pleasure of the president.... they are INDEPENDENT PROSECUTORS once they are appointed and do not prosecute cases according to the president, but according to the LAW....

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    tonight, we've got the fourth resignation from the attorney general's office/justice dept that are involved in this case, we've got those involved pleading the 5th so they won't incriminate themselves, and you have 5 others involved refusing to testify under oath or to even testify in public, with the president saying he won't allow any record of the meeting...and 5 million emails missing along with the ''people's'' work being done on an email system of the RNC....? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee, any normal human being's curiosity and willingness to get to the bottom of this....is normal!

    i don't think it is merely partisan hackery....and you guys shouldn't either....something ain't right and stinks like old fish....

    both republicans in office and dems have asked for gonzalez's resignation....

    this is NOT just a partisan thing.

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    "that ALSO is a partisan statement and what YOU ARE BEING TOLD to say by your party or your blogs...."

    Horseshit. You need to give this line a rest. If anyone appears to be steeped in quoting the partisan handbook, it's YOU.

    Regardless all your smoke and mirrors, you are incorrect. Let me quote you, and fix your errors....

    "B]the attorney generals serve [/B]us, in the American Justice System, at the pleasure of the president.... they are independent prosecutors once they are appointed and do not prosecute cases according to the president, but according to the LAW...."

    Where hiring and firing is concerned, the bloded protions ar the only pertinent ones. What those attorneys do once appointed is irrelevant to the discussion.
     
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    They can not be fired for "not prosecuting a partisan case" or for investigating and prosecuting a case against corrupt republicans, that is breaking the law, it is obstruction of justice.

    The Attorney Generals "serve at the pleasure of the president", which means that they are appointed by the president and are confirmed by the consent of the senate....the senate can and has rejected presidential appointees....so not all that are picked to "serve at the pleasure of the president" are confirmed.

    But the Attorney Generals do not serve the president in the manner that it seems you are implying? They are totally independent prosecutors and do not work case by case at the pleasur of the president?

    They serve, at the pleasure of the President, the American people and the American Justice system.


    And what about the 4 that have had to resign?

    And what about the pleading of the 5th so not to incriminate oneself in a CRIME?

    And what about the emails missing?

    And what about the people's work being hidden and done on the rnc email system vs the gvt email system as required regarding these prosecutor firings?

    YOU NEVER ADDRESS the issues here....

    I do not go to any DNC sites, to any dem blogs to any dem sites PERIOD to get any of my information on any issue.... I am a main stream media gal all the way....

    please do some reading, even a person that was mentally impaired imo, would think that something is amiss here and it is perfectly legitimate to investigate it and figure out what it is....
     
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    Nobody disputes that these attorneys "serve at the President's pleasure", Gunny. What is at issue, however, is the manner in which these dismissals were handled, replacing competent and highly rated REPUBLICAN US attorney's who were DOING THEIR JOBS in a fair and impartial manner with party hacks who were valued more for their loyalty to President and Party than competence and loyalty to the Constitution. Then there was the fact that the new USA's were brought in under that now repealed provision of the PATRIOT Act which allowed the DOJ to fill USA vacancies indefinitely with personnel who did not have to go through the Senate confirmation process.

    Now add into the mix the fact that there were concerted efforts to pressure some of attorneys who were replaced into dropping legitimate investigations against Republicans and bringing shaky/unfounded indictments against Democrats in their districts, Carol Lam and David Iglesias being cases in point. This brings up not only the specter of obstructing a criminal investigation, but tampering with teh very fabric of the Constitution itself. It was, after all, Karl Rove's stated goal of one party rule in America and subverting the DOJ to this process was but the first step.

    But bye-the-bye, Bush will never throw pobrecito Alberto under the bus. A- He doesn't want an honest broker in the position of USAG, can't have them co-operating with any investigations. B - Alberto knows where the bodies are buried and just which closets the skeletons are in
     
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