The DNC should never have let Bernie run

[Pogo]

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

"Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room."
House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.

What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?

Even Democrats believe in a democracy, the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat.

The problem starts when you put an idiot on the internet and give him a keyboard.

You're the same lying hack who kept trying to sell that bullshit that Sanders wouldn't release his taxes. Then I posted a link that proved you wrong. Then you posted the same thing in another thread, and I proved you wrong again. Then we did it a THIRD time, expecting different results.

You're a lying hack.

 

[SAYIT]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

Pretty much half of Dems still prefer Bernie. I will stipulate that some just don't like or trust Clinton but most - according to your POV - are just hard-core commies. Wow.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

We can agree that low information Democrats should not be allowed to choose a candidate

 

[TheOldSchool]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

We can agree that low information Democrats should not be allowed to choose a candidate

Almost... but you won't give up your right to choose a candidate as a low information republican

 

[buckeye45_73]

Delicious......

 

[oreo]

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Oh poster please. Spare us your lame Collective Responsibility Fallacy. Sanders, whose immediate forebears were slaughtered by the Nazis, obviously did not in any way praise that aspect, and you're a flamiing dishonest hack for trying to make that argument. Your own link cites education and health care as the basis of that assessment, and you want to stuff your own twisted freako perversion into that? You insult the intelligence of this board with that kind of bullshit, and that's a damn low bar to get under.

That's like saying if you like the way Ted Nugent plays guitar then you obviously agree with his wacko politics. Take a hike.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands of people. Obviously, he could afford free health care and education after he seized the assets of those he executed, for who was left that he didn't kill. He also executed teachers & scientists, burned books while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did all the things that a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country. After Castro and including today, Cubans have lived in abject poverty.

This is who Bernie Sanders is. He could have chosen any other "free" country to tout their free health care and education, and he didn't. He chose Fidel Castro to set his example.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

He set his example again when he made this recent statement:

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

"Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room."
House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.

What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?

Even Democrats believe in a democracy, the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat.

The problem starts when you put an idiot on the internet and give him a keyboard.

You're the same lying hack who kept trying to sell that bullshit that Sanders wouldn't release his taxes. Then I posted a link that proved you wrong. Then you posted the same thing in another thread, and I proved you wrong again. Then we did it a THIRD time, expecting different results.

You're a lying hack.

Are you stating that Bernie Sanders didn't praise Fidel Castro? He admitted that during a debate, and wouldn't back down on his praise of Fidel Castro.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Are you also stating that Bernie Sanders didn't get booed by House Democrats over his recent comment? This comment came long after he had lost and everyone had finished voting.

Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room.

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

He is stating here, that he does not care if Democrats win the election, he believes it's more important to keep his revolution going.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands. He burned books, sized assets, executed teachers and scientists, while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did everything a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country, after Castro, Cubans have lived and still do in abject poverty.

Sanders had several free countries that he could have used as an example of free health care and education, he CHOSE Fidel Castro to set his example.

Sanders is a Communist. There is no doubt about it. He should have never been allowed to run on the Democrat ticket.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You've invited this line of question, since you're 14 years old ---- what is a "socialist"? What is a "communist"? And what is the difference?

Finally, what is a "Democratic Socialist"?

Socialism is government control of the means of production. Communism is the same, but with the added removal of 'social classes', 'wealth gaps', and the State.

An oxymoron.

Removal of the State huh?

What about Democratic Socialism -- the one that actually applies to the election?

Have you heard this one before---
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism --- it's the other way around"

Yes, that's a core component.

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. There's no will of the people in absolute government power.

Under Communism man exploits man, and government exploits man. Absolute government power creates a very fragile nation, from the inside and the outside. Government controlling the means of production, private industry, cannot work. It's only made worse by the extra power the government gains through it.

Actually proper Communism would work where everyone works together as a team and no one is in charge of government, people just have their jobs that they do because they want to do, and want society to work well together.

The closest you might get to this is actually in the most primitive forms of humanity where people live together and survive together (or not) in the wilderness. Say like the Native Americans or other hunter gatherers. Yes there might be leadership in there, which takes it away from true Communism, but it's the closest because that leadership was more natural than what modern societies have.

The biggest problem is the inherent selfishness of human beings, so Communism won't work.

And because it doesn't work, societies try to make it work by using the government, as it's the only entity that can force you, through law. As such, the closest things we've had are Russia and China. By that line of reasoning, claiming that they aren't Communist is outright silly.

Oh, China and Russia aren't Communist. China never was, China was Maoist. Now they're more capitalist than most countries, they use Communism as a convenient tool for doing what they want to do.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You've invited this line of question, since you're 14 years old ---- what is a "socialist"? What is a "communist"? And what is the difference?

Finally, what is a "Democratic Socialist"?

Socialism is government control of the means of production. Communism is the same, but with the added removal of 'social classes', 'wealth gaps', and the State.

An oxymoron.

Removal of the State huh?

What about Democratic Socialism -- the one that actually applies to the election?

Have you heard this one before---
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism --- it's the other way around"

Yes, that's a core component.

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. There's no will of the people in absolute government power.

Under Communism man exploits man, and government exploits man. Absolute government power creates a very fragile nation, from the inside and the outside. Government controlling the means of production, private industry, cannot work. It's only made worse by the extra power the government gains through it.

Actually proper Communism would work where everyone works together as a team and no one is in charge of government, people just have their jobs that they do because they want to do, and want society to work well together.

The closest you might get to this is actually in the most primitive forms of humanity where people live together and survive together (or not) in the wilderness. Say like the Native Americans or other hunter gatherers. Yes there might be leadership in there, which takes it away from true Communism, but it's the closest because that leadership was more natural than what modern societies have.

The biggest problem is the inherent selfishness of human beings, so Communism won't work.

And yet -- I know a particular religious sect that's been using it for five hundred years, with astounding success.

That's not a national government, but kind of a religion-based local-cell administration, completely self-sufficient and independent of whatever government happens to be in charge around it.

Common ownership of means of production -- check.
Absence of social classes -- check.
Absence of money --- individual money, yes. Exists only at the collective level. No personal possessions beyond basically one's own clothes.
absence of a State -- depending on what we mean by "State", check again.

Not a government as we usually define it, but definitely communism.

It can work when everyone is in on it. The problem with society is that you get what you're given and you can't get away from those who would destroy it and no cooperate.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Oh poster please. Spare us your lame Collective Responsibility Fallacy. Sanders, whose immediate forebears were slaughtered by the Nazis, obviously did not in any way praise that aspect, and you're a flamiing dishonest hack for trying to make that argument. Your own link cites education and health care as the basis of that assessment, and you want to stuff your own twisted freako perversion into that? You insult the intelligence of this board with that kind of bullshit, and that's a damn low bar to get under.

That's like saying if you like the way Ted Nugent plays guitar then you obviously agree with his wacko politics. Take a hike.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands of people. Obviously, he could afford free health care and education after he seized the assets of those he executed, for who was left that he didn't kill. He also executed teachers & scientists, burned books while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did all the things that a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country. After Castro and including today, Cubans have lived in abject poverty.

This is who Bernie Sanders is. He could have chosen any other "free" country to tout their free health care and education, and he didn't. He chose Fidel Castro to set his example.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

He set his example again when he made this recent statement:

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

"Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room."
House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.

What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?

Even Democrats believe in a democracy, the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat.

The problem starts when you put an idiot on the internet and give him a keyboard.

You're the same lying hack who kept trying to sell that bullshit that Sanders wouldn't release his taxes. Then I posted a link that proved you wrong. Then you posted the same thing in another thread, and I proved you wrong again. Then we did it a THIRD time, expecting different results.

You're a lying hack.

Are you stating that Bernie Sanders didn't praise Fidel Castro? He admitted that during a debate, and wouldn't back down on his praise of Fidel Castro.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Are you also stating that Bernie Sanders didn't get booed by House Democrats over his recent comment? This comment came long after he had lost and everyone had finished voting.

Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room.

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

He is stating here, that he does not care if Democrats win the election, he believes it's more important to keep his revolution going.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands. He burned books, sized assets, executed teachers and scientists, while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did everything a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country, after Castro, Cubans have lived and still do in abject poverty.

Sanders had several free countries that he could have used as an example of free health care and education, he CHOSE Fidel Castro to set his example.

Sanders is a Communist. There is no doubt about it. He should have never been allowed to run on the Democrat ticket.

Sanders praises Fidel and Democrats praise Mao and Stalin.

So what?

 

[yiostheoy]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

Hindsight is always 20-20 however.

Bernie started out as a nice old Jewish great grandfather making Hillary look good, but once he got a taste of victory in his mouth he began to foam at the mouth like a rabid dog.

Oh well. Now he is famous and everyone knows him.

In the Senate he should have more power of persuasion than ever before.

Maybe the DEM Party will pay him back with a committee leadership job to shut him up and make him go away.

He is too old to run for re-election.

Hillary will be running against Ryan/Cruz in 2020 for re-election.

 

[yiostheoy]

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Oh poster please. Spare us your lame Collective Responsibility Fallacy. Sanders, whose immediate forebears were slaughtered by the Nazis, obviously did not in any way praise that aspect, and you're a flamiing dishonest hack for trying to make that argument. Your own link cites education and health care as the basis of that assessment, and you want to stuff your own twisted freako perversion into that? You insult the intelligence of this board with that kind of bullshit, and that's a damn low bar to get under.

That's like saying if you like the way Ted Nugent plays guitar then you obviously agree with his wacko politics. Take a hike.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands of people. Obviously, he could afford free health care and education after he seized the assets of those he executed, for who was left that he didn't kill. He also executed teachers & scientists, burned books while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did all the things that a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country. After Castro and including today, Cubans have lived in abject poverty.

This is who Bernie Sanders is. He could have chosen any other "free" country to tout their free health care and education, and he didn't. He chose Fidel Castro to set his example.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

He set his example again when he made this recent statement:

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.

What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?

Even Democrats believe in a democracy, the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat.

The problem starts when you put an idiot on the internet and give him a keyboard.

You're the same lying hack who kept trying to sell that bullshit that Sanders wouldn't release his taxes. Then I posted a link that proved you wrong. Then you posted the same thing in another thread, and I proved you wrong again. Then we did it a THIRD time, expecting different results.

You're a lying hack.

Are you stating that Bernie Sanders didn't praise Fidel Castro? He admitted that during a debate, and wouldn't back down on his praise of Fidel Castro.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Are you also stating that Bernie Sanders didn't get booed by House Democrats over his recent comment? This comment came long after he had lost and everyone had finished voting.

Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room.

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

He is stating here, that he does not care if Democrats win the election, he believes it's more important to keep his revolution going.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands. He burned books, sized assets, executed teachers and scientists, while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did everything a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country, after Castro, Cubans have lived and still do in abject poverty.

Sanders had several free countries that he could have used as an example of free health care and education, he CHOSE Fidel Castro to set his example.

Sanders is a Communist. There is no doubt about it. He should have never been allowed to run on the Democrat ticket.

Sanders praises Fidel and Democrats praise Mao and Stalin.

So what?

Stalin although he murdered a lot of his own people, he still single handedly stopped Hitler dead in his tracks.

And Mao created a socialized China which benefitted all of them.

Capitalism would not have worked to well in China, although now some form of it is working ok.

But Mao laid the foundations for modern productivity in China. There were famines for a while but now there are none there. So they are infinitely better off than Bangla Desh and/or Africa.

 

[Tehon]

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

"Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room."
House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.

What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?

Even Democrats believe in a democracy, the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat.

Even Democrats believe in a democracy....
Not really, the DNC was exposed. That is what this thread is all about. Shifting blame.

the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat
Bernie didn't create your problem, he exposed your problem. Bernie came from virtual obscurity within your party and threatened the direction the DNC leadership wanted to go, which was to continue in the direction of more neoliberal/neoconservative policies. The primary process has shown that the nation is wanting to move away from that direction. The problem is that the democratic leadership and their corporate backers don't trust democracy and are standing in the way of this shift. What you are doing here in this thread is using demagoguery to obscure the realities but everyone here sees thru you shill.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Oh poster please. Spare us your lame Collective Responsibility Fallacy. Sanders, whose immediate forebears were slaughtered by the Nazis, obviously did not in any way praise that aspect, and you're a flamiing dishonest hack for trying to make that argument. Your own link cites education and health care as the basis of that assessment, and you want to stuff your own twisted freako perversion into that? You insult the intelligence of this board with that kind of bullshit, and that's a damn low bar to get under.

That's like saying if you like the way Ted Nugent plays guitar then you obviously agree with his wacko politics. Take a hike.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands of people. Obviously, he could afford free health care and education after he seized the assets of those he executed, for who was left that he didn't kill. He also executed teachers & scientists, burned books while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did all the things that a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country. After Castro and including today, Cubans have lived in abject poverty.

This is who Bernie Sanders is. He could have chosen any other "free" country to tout their free health care and education, and he didn't. He chose Fidel Castro to set his example.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
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He set his example again when he made this recent statement:

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
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What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?

Even Democrats believe in a democracy, the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat.

The problem starts when you put an idiot on the internet and give him a keyboard.

You're the same lying hack who kept trying to sell that bullshit that Sanders wouldn't release his taxes. Then I posted a link that proved you wrong. Then you posted the same thing in another thread, and I proved you wrong again. Then we did it a THIRD time, expecting different results.

You're a lying hack.

Are you stating that Bernie Sanders didn't praise Fidel Castro? He admitted that during a debate, and wouldn't back down on his praise of Fidel Castro.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Are you also stating that Bernie Sanders didn't get booed by House Democrats over his recent comment? This comment came long after he had lost and everyone had finished voting.

Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room.

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

He is stating here, that he does not care if Democrats win the election, he believes it's more important to keep his revolution going.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands. He burned books, sized assets, executed teachers and scientists, while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did everything a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country, after Castro, Cubans have lived and still do in abject poverty.

Sanders had several free countries that he could have used as an example of free health care and education, he CHOSE Fidel Castro to set his example.

Sanders is a Communist. There is no doubt about it. He should have never been allowed to run on the Democrat ticket.

Sanders praises Fidel and Democrats praise Mao and Stalin.

So what?

Stalin although he murdered a lot of his own people, he still single handedly stopped Hitler dead in his tracks.

And Mao created a socialized China which benefitted all of them.

Capitalism would not have worked to well in China, although now some form of it is working ok.

But Mao laid the foundations for modern productivity in China. There were famines for a while but now there are none there. So they are infinitely better off than Bangla Desh and/or Africa.

So Fidel, Mao and Stalin are the Progressives Founding Fathers, they might have had their quirks, but they advanced the Progressive cause

Illuminating

Also, your lack of knowledge of Chinese history is Starkey-like in its completeness

 

[Pogo]

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands of people. Obviously, he could afford free health care and education after he seized the assets of those he executed, for who was left that he didn't kill. He also executed teachers & scientists, burned books while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did all the things that a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country. After Castro and including today, Cubans have lived in abject poverty.

This is who Bernie Sanders is. He could have chosen any other "free" country to tout their free health care and education, and he didn't. He chose Fidel Castro to set his example.

Oh FUCKING BULLSHIT. That was not the way the commentary went at all, you lying hack who pastes the same post over and over hoping it will stick to the wall.

Read your own link:

=> In 1961, [America] invaded Cuba, and everybody was totally convinced that Castro was the worst guy in the world,' he said.

'All the Cuban people were going to rise up in rebellion against Fidel Castro. They forgot that he educated their kids, gave their kids health care, totally transformed society.

'You know, not to say Fidel Castro and Cuba are perfect - they are certainly not - but just because Ronald Reagan dislikes these people does not mean to say the people in these nations feel the same.' <=​

Which, I might add, is not even sourced. The only source given is a video clip, which does not mention Castro at all. Obviously for anybody who can actually read it's an assessment of how the subject (Castro) was viewed by US mindset, versus how he was viewed within Cuba. How Reagan, the USG et al feel about him, how the Cuban people feel. NEITHER OF WHICH says squat about how Bernie Sanders feels. It's pure political science about how the world works, even if your tiny little mind thinks it's some kind of blasphemy to not toe the US party line and consider the people directly affected might have another view. Like some kind of Ozzie Guillen lynch mob.

Your own link -- if it's even accurate.

You got punked by a fake headline attached to a story that can't prove its point, and you're too intellectually lazy to figure that out.

And now according to pattern you'll go on posting the same illiterate bullshit again as if you never got proved wrong just now. Probably in another thread where you think nobody will notice.

Lying hackhole.

 

[Pogo]

Socialism is government control of the means of production. Communism is the same, but with the added removal of 'social classes', 'wealth gaps', and the State.

An oxymoron.

Removal of the State huh?

What about Democratic Socialism -- the one that actually applies to the election?

Have you heard this one before---
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism --- it's the other way around"

Yes, that's a core component.

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. There's no will of the people in absolute government power.

Under Communism man exploits man, and government exploits man. Absolute government power creates a very fragile nation, from the inside and the outside. Government controlling the means of production, private industry, cannot work. It's only made worse by the extra power the government gains through it.

Actually proper Communism would work where everyone works together as a team and no one is in charge of government, people just have their jobs that they do because they want to do, and want society to work well together.

The closest you might get to this is actually in the most primitive forms of humanity where people live together and survive together (or not) in the wilderness. Say like the Native Americans or other hunter gatherers. Yes there might be leadership in there, which takes it away from true Communism, but it's the closest because that leadership was more natural than what modern societies have.

The biggest problem is the inherent selfishness of human beings, so Communism won't work.

And yet -- I know a particular religious sect that's been using it for five hundred years, with astounding success.

That's not a national government, but kind of a religion-based local-cell administration, completely self-sufficient and independent of whatever government happens to be in charge around it.

Common ownership of means of production -- check.
Absence of social classes -- check.
Absence of money --- individual money, yes. Exists only at the collective level. No personal possessions beyond basically one's own clothes.
absence of a State -- depending on what we mean by "State", check again.

Not a government as we usually define it, but definitely communism.

It can work when everyone is in on it. The problem with society is that you get what you're given and you can't get away from those who would destroy it and no cooperate.

In the model to which I refer, everyone is in on it. The mindset is completely collective (as opposed to individual), which is clearly the heart of the entire thing and why it works. When we showed up with our trucks we were immediately surrounded by children, simply because the arrival of a truck meant there was work to be done, and sitting out that work while others do it would be unthinkable, nor is there any kind of competition in terms of material possessions, since nobody has any.

Those who would destroy it and not cooperate, really do not exist. Some do grow curious about the outside world (ours) of individualism and materialism, mostly the boys. We asked one minister how many of them return after doing that, and after careful thought his estimate was "99 percent".

As a whole they are unquestionably the happiest and most self-confident people I've ever seen. In their entire history they have had I think one suicide and two murders. In five hundred years.

It's the collective mindset. Community is everything; one's self-worth is measured in -- not so much how much one is doing for that community, but simply that one is doing it, and is therefore part-owner of the Community. In effect self-worth is Community-worth; they are one and the same. Beyond simple personal interactions, the concept of "that's your problem" does not exist; if there's a problem -- say, there's a leak in your family's roof --- it's everybody's problem by definition.

 

[Pogo]

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Oh poster please. Spare us your lame Collective Responsibility Fallacy. Sanders, whose immediate forebears were slaughtered by the Nazis, obviously did not in any way praise that aspect, and you're a flamiing dishonest hack for trying to make that argument. Your own link cites education and health care as the basis of that assessment, and you want to stuff your own twisted freako perversion into that? You insult the intelligence of this board with that kind of bullshit, and that's a damn low bar to get under.

That's like saying if you like the way Ted Nugent plays guitar then you obviously agree with his wacko politics. Take a hike.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands of people. Obviously, he could afford free health care and education after he seized the assets of those he executed, for who was left that he didn't kill. He also executed teachers & scientists, burned books while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did all the things that a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country. After Castro and including today, Cubans have lived in abject poverty.

This is who Bernie Sanders is. He could have chosen any other "free" country to tout their free health care and education, and he didn't. He chose Fidel Castro to set his example.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

He set his example again when he made this recent statement:

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.
Click to expand...
What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?
Click to expa

There is no candidate alive that would have praised one of the most brutal murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Bernie Sanders did.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Now if JFK were alive & in the Oval office when he did that, he would have had Sanders up in front of a congressional hearing in a New York minute to discuss his loyalty to this country, and his opinion of Democracy.

Bernie Sanders reflects his opinion in this statement he made recently. This is when he refused to drop out--and when he was booed by house Democrats over this comment:

"Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room."
House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

Obviously in a Democracy if you don't win the election, you don't win the battle of ideas. In his statement he is basically saying "I don't care if Democrats win this election, this is about my revolution."

In this statement he is NOT willing to abide by the will of the people (democracy) meaning he is a communist and would have no trouble using force to win his battle of ideas. That is what Fidel Castro did.

It's clear that Bernie Sanders is a communist. It's unfortunate that he was allowed to run on the Democrat party platform.

What would some DNC groupie know about democracy?

Even Democrats believe in a democracy, the problem starts when you put a Communist on the Democrat ticket--and call him a Democrat.

The problem starts when you put an idiot on the internet and give him a keyboard.

You're the same lying hack who kept trying to sell that bullshit that Sanders wouldn't release his taxes. Then I posted a link that proved you wrong. Then you posted the same thing in another thread, and I proved you wrong again. Then we did it a THIRD time, expecting different results.

You're a lying hack.

Are you stating that Bernie Sanders didn't praise Fidel Castro? He admitted that during a debate, and wouldn't back down on his praise of Fidel Castro.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Are you also stating that Bernie Sanders didn't get booed by House Democrats over his recent comment? This comment came long after he had lost and everyone had finished voting.

Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room.

House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting - CNNPolitics.com

He is stating here, that he does not care if Democrats win the election, he believes it's more important to keep his revolution going.

Once again, Lying Hackhole, "the goal [of what?] is not to win elections" is not the same thing as "he does not care if the Democrats win the election". That's your lying hack hole hackery twisting people's words into what you WISH had been said because it's the only way you can get to your Lying Hack Hole.

And yes, in the big picture, stirring up the questions absolutely IS more important than winning elections. Winning elections is the purpose (and the only purpose) of a political party. That benefits no one except the party seeking power. Raising ideas and questions is where it's at, because once you raise a vital question, whoever won the election has to address it, whether they do so effectively or not. For example when the idea that all men are created equal finally dawned on the PTB as a real thing that was not going away, both Democrats and Republicans had to act on it whether any of them liked it or not, whether any of them could win their next election or not, whether they kept the same political party or not. Which movement, I might add, Sanders was at the forefront of in that time, marching with Martin Luther King while Hillary was a Goldwater Girl.

That's exactly why Sanders hasn't used a political party before --- winning elections and acquiring power isn't his goal and never has been. Raising the ideas however, has. That's also why he used the platform of a major political party to express them -- you get a lot more splash, which means your message goes a lot further.

I don't think Sanders expected to get anywhere near this far on this level when he started. But he could see, as could Donald Rump on his side, that the field was weak and both could be a big fish in a small pond. For Rump that meant easy access to power and attention, which is what he wants, for Sanders it meant a large venue to get his ideas out, which is what he wants. So of course the ideas are far more important than the election. An election lasts one day and it's over and the work, or avoidance of work, begins. But ideas live forever.

Fidel Castro is responsible for killing thousands. He burned books, sized assets, executed teachers and scientists, while thousands more died in homemade rafts trying to make it to the Florida coast. He did everything a good dictator does. Prior to Castro, Cuba was a thriving country, after Castro, Cubans have lived and still do in abject poverty.

Sanders had several free countries that he could have used as an example of free health care and education, he CHOSE Fidel Castro to set his example.

Again FUCKING BULLSHIT already exposed as such above. Sanders is talking about perceptions of two third parties, not himself, and does not even render a value judgment of his own. Learn how to READ.

Sanders is a Communist. There is no doubt about it. He should have never been allowed to run on the Democrat ticket.

Whatever you think that means, and I'm sure it's as entertaining as the rest of your proctologically-derived hackery, you utterly failed to prove your point. Even if your quote had been accurately assessed it *STILL* makes no reference to book-burning, prisoners, dictators. executions etc. Even if it had actually been "praising" Castro for education and healthcare --- which were NOT the topic anyway. The conversation, from the little we can see, was actually about Daniel Ortega, how he was being viewed by the US government as opposed to how he was viewed in Nicaragua, and Castro became a comparator in that analysis. IT WASN'T A CONVERSATION ABOUT HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION AT ALL. Those were incidentals that came up for illustration and you latched onto them as shiny objects because you're a fucking moron.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I know a lot of "righties" that liked sanders. It wasn't his policies, but the fact he seemed to have integrity and focused on American advancement instead of foreign.
I liked Bernie. If he was the nom, I would vote for him over trump now. I would probably regret it in the long run, because now I know what a sell out he was/is.

Any integrity Sanders had went out the window when he sold out and supported Clinton

I don't understand this thinking. Sanders chose to run as a Democrat. Now that he's lost, he should turn his back on the party?
I would argue he's showing integrity by supporting the party nominee.

 

[TNHarley]

I know a lot of "righties" that liked sanders. It wasn't his policies, but the fact he seemed to have integrity and focused on American advancement instead of foreign.
I liked Bernie. If he was the nom, I would vote for him over trump now. I would probably regret it in the long run, because now I know what a sell out he was/is.

Any integrity Sanders had went out the window when he sold out and supported Clinton

I don't understand this thinking. Sanders chose to run as a Democrat. Now that he's lost, he should turn his back on the party?
I would argue he's showing integrity by supporting the party nominee.

yes, his months of rhetoric is overshadowed by party LOL what a hack

 

[Pogo]

I know a lot of "righties" that liked sanders. It wasn't his policies, but the fact he seemed to have integrity and focused on American advancement instead of foreign.
I liked Bernie. If he was the nom, I would vote for him over trump now. I would probably regret it in the long run, because now I know what a sell out he was/is.

Any integrity Sanders had went out the window when he sold out and supported Clinton

I don't understand this thinking. Sanders chose to run as a Democrat. Now that he's lost, he should turn his back on the party?
I would argue he's showing integrity by supporting the party nominee.

And more than that, practicality. We're mired in a winner-take-all Duopoly where we invariably end up with what's been called for my entire lifetime a choice between the "lesser of two evils". Because of the wacko Electoral College system, which I have no doubt the Duopoly seeks to perpetuate forever because it serves them to, no entity outside the Duopoly can possibly compete with it. The last outside entity to even outpoll either one of them was Teddy Roosevelt's run in 1912, and that was after he had the name recognition of eight years in the White House and came into the Republican convention having swept the primaries. TR pushed the Republican nominee to third place --- well, that's what the effect of Sanders bolting to a third party would have likely led to --- the installation of Mister Orange-a-Tan with less than 42% of the popular vote while he and Hillary split up the rest -- which is exactly how Woodrow Wilson, another racist asshole, got into office.

Those spewing about Sanders "not having integrity" -- like the post directly above -- belie their ignorance of how the System actually works. Let alone not having a clue about American history.

Either that or they're just whining to score points on a message board in a vast self-infatuated wank where you apparently get X number of points for generating insults while ignoring all context.

Ironically it's only those who live in locked states (states going red or blue no matter what) who get a voice to choose a third party at all with a vote that means anything. And those states, by definition, would have fewer voters likely to do it anyway.

The system is just plain rigged. We can keep the Electoral College but we should increase its number from 538 to 219 million.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I know a lot of "righties" that liked sanders. It wasn't his policies, but the fact he seemed to have integrity and focused on American advancement instead of foreign.
I liked Bernie. If he was the nom, I would vote for him over trump now. I would probably regret it in the long run, because now I know what a sell out he was/is.

Any integrity Sanders had went out the window when he sold out and supported Clinton

I don't understand this thinking. Sanders chose to run as a Democrat. Now that he's lost, he should turn his back on the party?
I would argue he's showing integrity by supporting the party nominee.

yes, his months of rhetoric is overshadowed by party LOL what a hack

What?