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But you see, I don't necessarily agree wtih your interpretation of those passages. I am of the school that you take the whole of the writings and the whole of the context to come up with whatever message the ancient scriptures have for us today. In my faith, Jesus paid the price and I don't have to, in fact am unable to do anything to deserve that. His sacrifice fulfilled all the requirements of the Law. All we have to do is accept that gift. Plucking this verse or that verse out of context and holding it up as a mandatory rule suggests that Jesus's death and resurrection wasn't sufficient and we are still required to earn our salvation by keeping the Law.
What is to interpret? He said one must follow those 4 commandments. There is no ambiguity to the passages.
People that chose to ignore the bible amaze me when they then defend that choice by claiming they just don't have to.
In my opinion, it doesn't take too much looking for find verses who contradict your interpretation of those 'four commandments'. That's the whole problem with such proof texting. You can pretty much prove or disprove anything you want by taking it out of the whole context.
My belief is based on other teachings of Peter and Paul and others elsewhere in the New Testament, where they explained that such scriptures were not a matter of 'law' but a matter of expediency. They were not to offend their hosts, be they Jew or Pagan, when they were doing ministry. They were not required to follow the law but neither should they encourage sin by those who believed they were required to follow the law.
No biggie though. If you are convinced you have to obey those four commandments, I am not going to tell you that your belief is wrong for you.
What is to interpret? He said one must follow those 4 commandments. There is no ambiguity to the passages.
People that chose to ignore the bible amaze me when they then defend that choice by claiming they just don't have to.
In my opinion, it doesn't take too much looking for find verses who contradict your interpretation of those 'four commandments'. That's the whole problem with such proof texting. You can pretty much prove or disprove anything you want by taking it out of the whole context.
My belief is based on other teachings of Peter and Paul and others elsewhere in the New Testament, where they explained that such scriptures were not a matter of 'law' but a matter of expediency. They were not to offend their hosts, be they Jew or Pagan, when they were doing ministry. They were not required to follow the law but neither should they encourage sin by those who believed they were required to follow the law.
No biggie though. If you are convinced you have to obey those four commandments, I am not going to tell you that your belief is wrong for you.
Ok, FIND some passages by Jesus that contradict his DIRECT commandment to follow those 4. You made the claim, back it up.
This is the problem, next you will be telling us that baptism is optional and that believing Jesus is the son of God is just a suggestion.
Muslims try to live their lives based on rules dictated by their religion.
Christians try to live their lives in a way that honors the One who set them free from rules.
beheadings, stonings, suicide bombing, etc?
Not necessarily. I think most Muslims don't condone or support such things.
But all Muslims support rules dictating when and how one must pray, how one must dress, what one can and cannot eat and drink, when and how one must do worship, who they can marry, how they are to rear their children, etc. etc. etc. The Muslim earns his/her way into heaven by following the rules.
Christians have no such rules. The only rule Christians are mandated to live by is to love the Lord with all their heart and soul and mind and to love their neighbor. As Jesus said, "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
Wrong, Jesus stated 4 rules we must still obey. I provided the one of the passages where he commanded it in my thread in religion.
Acts 15: 28, 29 and Acts 21: 25.
What is to interpret? He said one must follow those 4 commandments. There is no ambiguity to the passages.
People that chose to ignore the bible amaze me when they then defend that choice by claiming they just don't have to.
In my opinion, it doesn't take too much looking for find verses who contradict your interpretation of those 'four commandments'. That's the whole problem with such proof texting. You can pretty much prove or disprove anything you want by taking it out of the whole context.
My belief is based on other teachings of Peter and Paul and others elsewhere in the New Testament, where they explained that such scriptures were not a matter of 'law' but a matter of expediency. They were not to offend their hosts, be they Jew or Pagan, when they were doing ministry. They were not required to follow the law but neither should they encourage sin by those who believed they were required to follow the law.
No biggie though. If you are convinced you have to obey those four commandments, I am not going to tell you that your belief is wrong for you.
Ok, FIND some passages by Jesus that contradict his DIRECT commandment to follow those 4. You made the claim, back it up.
This is the problem, next you will be telling us that baptism is optional and that believing Jesus is the son of God is just a suggestion.
In the approximately 1,300 years of history since the life of the Prophet, the relationship between Christianity and Islam has rarely been harmonious. As it spread, the Muslim Empire quickly conquered much of the Judeo-Christian Holy Land and the Christian Byzantine Empire. The Christian Crusades of the 11th through 13th centuries, waged in large part against Muslims, served only to widen the divide between the two faiths. Constantinople, the "New Rome" and the center of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, fell to the Turks in 1453 and has lived under Islamic rule ever since.
In recent centuries, mutual distrust between Christians and Muslims has continued to grow. On the other hand, some have pointed out that the conflict has more to do with political tensions and divergent cultural worldviews than with religion, and efforts have been made by both Christians and Muslims to find common ground and engage in respectful dialogue."
Comparison Chart: Christianity vs. Islam - ReligionFacts
Let's see some respectful dialogue between Muslims and Christians. How I think they're similar is they both seek dominance over the world.
Muslims try to live their lives based on rules dictated by their religion.
Christians try to live their lives in a way that honors the One who set them free from rules.
free from rules............
except for the rule against homosexuality
and the rule against sex before marriage
and the rule against divorce
and the rules against all other religions
and the rule that you MUST mindlessly believe in jesus and god OR ELSE
In my opinion, it doesn't take too much looking for find verses who contradict your interpretation of those 'four commandments'. That's the whole problem with such proof texting. You can pretty much prove or disprove anything you want by taking it out of the whole context.
My belief is based on other teachings of Peter and Paul and others elsewhere in the New Testament, where they explained that such scriptures were not a matter of 'law' but a matter of expediency. They were not to offend their hosts, be they Jew or Pagan, when they were doing ministry. They were not required to follow the law but neither should they encourage sin by those who believed they were required to follow the law.
No biggie though. If you are convinced you have to obey those four commandments, I am not going to tell you that your belief is wrong for you.
Ok, FIND some passages by Jesus that contradict his DIRECT commandment to follow those 4. You made the claim, back it up.
This is the problem, next you will be telling us that baptism is optional and that believing Jesus is the son of God is just a suggestion.
RGS, my first personal rule is that I don't fight with anybody over religion, but I am happy to share my faith and a rationale for my beliefs and discuss Bible, religion, theology, or my faith with anyone who wishes to do so. I don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God or that Jesus is God because the Bible tells me I have to believe that. I believe it because of the personal relationship I have with Jesus the Christ.
In my understanding, Jesus would not have died on the Cross to pay the cost for our failures to keep the Law, to free us from the dictates of the Law, only to institute new Law. There are numerous passages in the Bible, most especially in Paul's letters, warning us against those who would presume to do so.
Ok, FIND some passages by Jesus that contradict his DIRECT commandment to follow those 4. You made the claim, back it up.
This is the problem, next you will be telling us that baptism is optional and that believing Jesus is the son of God is just a suggestion.
RGS, my first personal rule is that I don't fight with anybody over religion, but I am happy to share my faith and a rationale for my beliefs and discuss Bible, religion, theology, or my faith with anyone who wishes to do so. I don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God or that Jesus is God because the Bible tells me I have to believe that. I believe it because of the personal relationship I have with Jesus the Christ.
In my understanding, Jesus would not have died on the Cross to pay the cost for our failures to keep the Law, to free us from the dictates of the Law, only to institute new Law. There are numerous passages in the Bible, most especially in Paul's letters, warning us against those who would presume to do so.
Did you BOTHER to read the passages I provided? Jesus says he does not wish to burden us with lots of laws but these 4 are needed. He says it twice in Acts. You may chose to pretend he did not say it but you would be wrong. Thanks for proving you just randomly pick and chose what you believe.
Ever here the one about how there are two roads, one wide and spacious the other narrow and cramped? I suppose that is just a suggestion too right?
What are the differences between Christians and Muslims? In Islam God is known by the name "Allah" and more than 99 other venerated names, such as "the Merciful," "the Gracious," "the All-Powerful.
you cant do that in Saudi Arabia
it was meant as a jokeyou cant do that in Saudi Arabia
Wanna bet?
In Dubai, U.A.E, all of the international hotels have a bar, usually along the lines of your good NYC nightclub.
In Jiddah (that means "grandmother" in Arabic), there are 2 places to get booze.
Either go out to the American compound where the oil workers are at (many of them have beer and wine), or go over to the town square at the center of the place.
Look north and to the left, you'll see an elevator. Take it up to the 2nd floor and just follow the music, you'll walk down a hallway and boom......a bar with beer and alcohol.
Interestingly enough, the patrons were upper middle class to rich if they were Muslim.
I remember that place well, because on the elevator ride up, that is where I met my first Iranian.
Had to report that contact to the command.
it was meant as a jokeyou cant do that in Saudi Arabia
Wanna bet?
In Dubai, U.A.E, all of the international hotels have a bar, usually along the lines of your good NYC nightclub.
In Jiddah (that means "grandmother" in Arabic), there are 2 places to get booze.
Either go out to the American compound where the oil workers are at (many of them have beer and wine), or go over to the town square at the center of the place.
Look north and to the left, you'll see an elevator. Take it up to the 2nd floor and just follow the music, you'll walk down a hallway and boom......a bar with beer and alcohol.
Interestingly enough, the patrons were upper middle class to rich if they were Muslim.
I remember that place well, because on the elevator ride up, that is where I met my first Iranian.
Had to report that contact to the command.
and thanks for showing that it isnt easy to get a drink in SA
It doesn't say mindlessly follow Christ. You have a choice, follow Christ or not, but there are consequences with every choice. As far as homosexuality a rule, the old and new testament condem homosexuality. It is a sin and a abomination. Oh and it is just a choice.Muslims try to live their lives based on rules dictated by their religion.
Christians try to live their lives in a way that honors the One who set them free from rules.
free from rules............
except for the rule against homosexuality
and the rule against sex before marriage
and the rule against divorce
and the rules against all other religions
and the rule that you MUST mindlessly believe in jesus and god OR ELSE
