CDZ The Constitutional Basis for Impeachment

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    Apparently not enough influence to impress the other FFs. 19 years after the signing none of them or their kids made any attempt to give it a try.
     
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    Actually the House does. The Senate only convicts or refuses to convict.
     
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    No. The Senate can vote to convict or not convict based on any criteria they want.
     
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    The Senate does too as they can acquit if they decide the alleged offences don't meet high crimes or misdemeanors. Or they can simply not hold a trial at all if they feel that way.
     
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    If the House says it is.

    The House has plenary power to impeach. SCOTUS has no authority to give an opinion on it.

    The power to impeach is similar to POTUS power to pardon, in that there's nothing anyone can do to stop it or undo it after it happens.
     
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    Or perhaps they just said "We don't care".
     
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    The impeachment charges only sticks if he was convicted in the Senate, he remained in office afterwards, which means the Impeachment charges FAILED!

    Impeachment only succeeds if the person is convicted, otherwise the indictment/impeachment charges fails and the person goes free, charges dropped.
     
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    Means nothing.

    I merely stated an opinion made by Jefferson, which I agree with. The fact that his idea wasn’t followed, doesn’t mean his idea sucked.
     
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    It means that the president was acquitted. He's still impeached.
     
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    You are contradicting yourself, since acquittal shows that Impeachment charges was a failure, the charges are then dropped. From Wikipedia is this simple to understand statement about what Impeachment is:

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    Impeachment is simply a process to charge someone of something illegal.

    If the charges fails in court or in the senate, indictment charges, and impeachment charges have failed.

    No conviction means criminal charges fails, end of story.

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    Straight from the U.S House of Representatives website:

    "The House's Role

    The House brings impeachment charges against federal officials as part of its oversight and investigatory responsibilities. Individual Members of the House can introduce impeachment resolutions like ordinary bills, or the House could initiate proceedings by passing a resolution authorizing an inquiry. The Committee on the Judiciary ordinarily has jurisdiction over impeachments, but special committees investigated charges before the Judiciary Committee was created in 1813. The committee then chooses whether to pursue articles of impeachment against the accused official and report them to the full House. If the articles are adopted (by simple majority vote), the House appoints Members by resolution to manage the ensuing Senate trial on its behalf. These managers act as prosecutors in the Senate and are usually members of the Judiciary Committee. The number of managers has varied across impeachment trials but has traditionally been an odd number. The partisan composition of managers has also varied depending on the nature of the impeachment, but the managers, by definition, always support the House’s impeachment action"

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    This shows it is the HOUSE members who prosecute the accused in the Senate, thus when they fail to back up the impeachment charges, it can be said that Impeachment charges failed when the Senate members vote no for conviction. All you have left is that the accused was charged with something (for the history books), which becomes meaningless when the accused is found not guilty.

    This is what I am talking about.
     

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