The bald-faced lie Repub counsel Caster told exemplifies the problem.

[berg80]

While testifying during yesterday's hearing Steve Caster, the Repub's lawyer, repeated the lie Ukrainian officials in Kiev did not know military aid was being withheld and therefore did not know they were being extorted during the Trump/Zelensky call. A statement he made because it is a key part of the Repub defense of Trump. A statement that is demonstrably false.

Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July
Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July

Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
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In another thread............The conservative political landscape is a graveyard full of debunked beliefs.
...............I made the point it is virtually impossible to govern ourselves if we can't have a rational debate on how to solve our problems because we can't agree on the facts.

In the matter of Trump's impeachment, the problem Caster's lie exemplifies is one in the same. How can we have a debate about Trump's guilt or innocence when Repubs refuse to stipulate to the facts in evidence?

Perhaps more importantly, what can be done when refusing to acknowledge what the facts are is THE essential part of the Repub defense strategy? Why is that? Because acknowledging the facts leads to an unavoidable conclusion..........Trump did extort Ukraine........he did it for personal gain........and there was a failed cover-up of the call.

 

[kyzr]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

 

[The Original Tree]

While testifying during yesterday's hearing Steve Caster, the Repub's lawyer, repeated the lie Ukrainian officials in Kiev did not know military aid was being withheld and therefore did not know they were being extorted during the Trump/Zelensky call. A statement he made because it is a key part of the Repub defense of Trump. A statement that is demonstrably false.

Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July
Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July

Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
...............................................................................................................................................
In another thread............The conservative political landscape is a graveyard full of debunked beliefs.
...............I made the point it is virtually impossible to govern ourselves if we can't have a rational debate on how to solve our problems because we can't agree on the facts.

In the matter of Trump's impeachment, the problem Caster's lie exemplifies is one in the same. How can we have a debate about Trump's guilt or innocence when Repubs refuse to stipulate to the facts in evidence?

Perhaps more importantly, what can be done when refusing to acknowledge what the facts are is THE essential part of the Repub defense strategy? Why is that? Because acknowledging the facts leads to an unavoidable conclusion..........Trump did extort Ukraine........he did it for personal gain........and there was a failed cover-up of the call.

Heil Schiffler!

Yes Comrade, but VEEE have one PROBLEM..... Did you see Goldman get punked when he was asked who authorized the spying on The Journalists, The President's Attorney and Representative Nunez?

And what happened to your Fake Bribery Charge? Did it go up your ass like Putin's Butt Plug?

Be very careful how you reply to me. Adolph Schiffler is listening in.

 

[berg80]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

“We had this information. It was definitely mentioned there were some issues,” Olena Zerkal told The New York Times in a report published Tuesday.

House investigators are probing allegations that Trump withheld nearly $400 million in military aid in an effort to persuade Ukraine to announce politically beneficial investigations. Trump and Republican lawmakers have questioned the accusations, claiming that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky couldn’t have felt pressured because he wasn’t aware of a freeze in security aid.

Zerkal’s account is matched by Laura Cooper, a U.S. deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Russia and Ukraine who testified before the House Intelligence Committee in November. In her testimony, Cooper said that her staff received emails on July 25 in which the State Department said the Ukrainian Embassy and House Foreign Affairs Committee were “asking about security assistance.”
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It isn't often that a Trumper proves my point in the very first reply. So, thanks. You're making this easy.

 

[The Original Tree]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

The Beatings will begin until Every One Admits They are LIARS! Including ME!

 

[Defiant1]

Here are some facts democrats won't acknowledge:

Donald J. Trump won the 2016 election is the current POTUS.

President Trump is the decider over foreign policy, not bureaucrats in the administration.

Hunter Biden was involved in some sketchy deals and last time I checked he isn't running for president.

 

[The Original Tree]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

“We had this information. It was definitely mentioned there were some issues,” Olena Zerkal told The New York Times in a report published Tuesday.

House investigators are probing allegations that Trump withheld nearly $400 million in military aid in an effort to persuade Ukraine to announce politically beneficial investigations. Trump and Republican lawmakers have questioned the accusations, claiming that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky couldn’t have felt pressured because he wasn’t aware of a freeze in security aid.

Zerkal’s account is matched by Laura Cooper, a U.S. deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Russia and Ukraine who testified before the House Intelligence Committee in November. In her testimony, Cooper said that her staff received emails on July 25 in which the State Department said the Ukrainian Embassy and House Foreign Affairs Committee were “asking about security assistance.”
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It isn't often that a Trumper proves my point in the very first reply. So, thanks. You're making this easy.

You will fire The Ukraine Prosecutor for $1 Million.....Err.... $1 Billion Dollars!

 

[berg80]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

The Beatings will begin until Every One Admits They are LIARS! Including ME!

Your juvenile post is an admission you can't refute my assertion.

 

[The Original Tree]

Here are some facts democrats won't acknowledge:

Donald J. Trump won the 2016 election is the current POTUS.

President Trump is the decider over foreign policy, not bureaucrats in the administration.

Hunter Biden was involved in some sketchy deals and last time I checked he isn't running for president.

Putin: So look, I will take Crimea, Invade Ukraine, and you give Ukraine Blankets when they ask for Javeline missiles, sound good Joe?

 

[The Original Tree]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

The Beatings will begin until Every One Admits They are LIARS! Including ME!

Your juvenile post is an admission you can't refute my assertion.

Joe: Then I told Ukraine, I am getting on a plane in 6 hours, and if you don't fire that prosecutor investigating my son and Putin's favorite Ukrainian Oil Company, then you are not getting the $ Billion Dollars $

Putin: I almost spit vodka out my nose....'snicker'.

 

[The Original Tree]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

The Beatings will begin until Every One Admits They are LIARS! Including ME!

Your juvenile post is an admission you can't refute my assertion.

Your Insertion is your own head up your own ass comrade.

 

[iceberg]

While testifying during yesterday's hearing Steve Caster, the Repub's lawyer, repeated the lie Ukrainian officials in Kiev did not know military aid was being withheld and therefore did not know they were being extorted during the Trump/Zelensky call. A statement he made because it is a key part of the Repub defense of Trump. A statement that is demonstrably false.

Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July
Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July

Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
...............................................................................................................................................
In another thread............The conservative political landscape is a graveyard full of debunked beliefs.
...............I made the point it is virtually impossible to govern ourselves if we can't have a rational debate on how to solve our problems because we can't agree on the facts.

In the matter of Trump's impeachment, the problem Caster's lie exemplifies is one in the same. How can we have a debate about Trump's guilt or innocence when Repubs refuse to stipulate to the facts in evidence?

Perhaps more importantly, what can be done when refusing to acknowledge what the facts are is THE essential part of the Repub defense strategy? Why is that? Because acknowledging the facts leads to an unavoidable conclusion..........Trump did extort Ukraine........he did it for personal gain........and there was a failed cover-up of the call.

the Ukraine also has told us the DNC came to them to help get dirt on Trump.

you choose to not believe them then. how...convenient.

 

[The Original Tree]

While testifying during yesterday's hearing Steve Caster, the Repub's lawyer, repeated the lie Ukrainian officials in Kiev did not know military aid was being withheld and therefore did not know they were being extorted during the Trump/Zelensky call. A statement he made because it is a key part of the Repub defense of Trump. A statement that is demonstrably false.

Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July
Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July

Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
...............................................................................................................................................
In another thread............The conservative political landscape is a graveyard full of debunked beliefs.
...............I made the point it is virtually impossible to govern ourselves if we can't have a rational debate on how to solve our problems because we can't agree on the facts.

In the matter of Trump's impeachment, the problem Caster's lie exemplifies is one in the same. How can we have a debate about Trump's guilt or innocence when Repubs refuse to stipulate to the facts in evidence?

Perhaps more importantly, what can be done when refusing to acknowledge what the facts are is THE essential part of the Repub defense strategy? Why is that? Because acknowledging the facts leads to an unavoidable conclusion..........Trump did extort Ukraine........he did it for personal gain........and there was a failed cover-up of the call.

the Ukraine also has told us the DNC came to them to help get dirt on Trump.

you choose to not believe them then. how...convenient.

Obama Caught on Microphone Telling Medvedev of ‘Flexibility’

Obama:

"TELL PUTIN, He can take The Crimea, and invade Ukraine, and when Ukraine asks for help, I will send them blankets instead of bullets.

All I want in exchange is The Kremlin to write me a dirty dossier, and some help with Hillary's Campaign."

 

[berg80]

Here are some facts democrats won't acknowledge:

Donald J. Trump won the 2016 election is the current POTUS.

President Trump is the decider over foreign policy, not bureaucrats in the administration.

Hunter Biden was involved in some sketchy deals and last time I checked he isn't running for president.

How does any of that address the issue that Repub counsel Caster told a lie regarding the timing of Ukraine's knowledge about military aid being withheld? A lie Trumper's believe. A lie preventing us from have a reasoned debate about whether Trump's offenses are impeachable.

 

[22lcidw]

While testifying during yesterday's hearing Steve Caster, the Repub's lawyer, repeated the lie Ukrainian officials in Kiev did not know military aid was being withheld and therefore did not know they were being extorted during the Trump/Zelensky call. A statement he made because it is a key part of the Repub defense of Trump. A statement that is demonstrably false.

Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July
Former Ukraine official says country knew of military aid freeze in July

Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
Ukraine knew of stalled aid far earlier than White House claims, official testifies
...............................................................................................................................................
In another thread............The conservative political landscape is a graveyard full of debunked beliefs.
...............I made the point it is virtually impossible to govern ourselves if we can't have a rational debate on how to solve our problems because we can't agree on the facts.

In the matter of Trump's impeachment, the problem Caster's lie exemplifies is one in the same. How can we have a debate about Trump's guilt or innocence when Repubs refuse to stipulate to the facts in evidence?

Perhaps more importantly, what can be done when refusing to acknowledge what the facts are is THE essential part of the Repub defense strategy? Why is that? Because acknowledging the facts leads to an unavoidable conclusion..........Trump did extort Ukraine........he did it for personal gain........and there was a failed cover-up of the call.

Most of the things Repubs do they learned from Prog Socialists over the decades. There will be no impeachment of President Trump. You definitely would not impeach him if he was a Prog. This is the pure result of the massive hate on him winning the 2016 election. Three years later and the Progs are still seething. The people voting in 2020 that vote for a Prog are voting for massive tax increases. And people canbe and are foolish. They just might do it......again....and again.....and again...

 

[The Original Tree]

Here are some facts democrats won't acknowledge:

Donald J. Trump won the 2016 election is the current POTUS.

President Trump is the decider over foreign policy, not bureaucrats in the administration.

Hunter Biden was involved in some sketchy deals and last time I checked he isn't running for president.

How does any of that address the issue that Repub counsel Caster told a lie regarding the timing of Ukraine's knowledge about military aid being withheld? A lie Trumper's believe. A lie preventing us from have a reasoned debate about whether Trump's offenses are impeachable.

No one believes what you say Russian Troll.

Medvedev:

"So when Putin invades Crimea and Ukraine, you will do nothing, Correct?"

Obama Bin Lying:

"Well, I have to make it look like I care, so if Putin is ok with it, I think I'll send blankets."

 

[berg80]

KYIV, Ukraine — As deputy foreign minister, it was Olena Zerkal’s job to read incoming diplomatic cables from embassies around the world. One from Washington caught her eye back in July, she recalled: It said the Trump administration had frozen military aid for Ukraine.

“We had this information,” Ms. Zerkal said in an interview. “It was definitely mentioned there were some issues.”

The timing of when Ukraine knew of the hold on the military aid is a critical question in the impeachment hearings in Congress. Democrats are trying to build a case that President Trump pressured President Volodymyr Zelensky by withholding the aid and a White House meeting — at the same time he was pressing for a public announcement that Ukraine would investigate his political rivals.
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Ukraine raised concerns about a hold on military aid on the same day as Donald Trump’s infamous phone call with its president, a Pentagon official told the impeachment inquiry on Wednesday.

The evidence from Laura Cooper, a deputy assistant secretary of defence, knocks down a key pillar of the White House’s defence: that Ukraine was unaware of the suspension of nearly $400m in security assistance until a much later date.

Cooper told the House intelligence committee that her staff received an email on 25 July from the state department saying that Ukraine’s embassy and the House foreign affairs committee were asking about military aid.

“On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified. “Because at that time we did not know what the guidance was … I was informed that the staff member told the Ukrainian official that we were moving forward but recommended that the Ukraine embassy check in with state [department]”.

Asked later if the question referred specifically to the suspended aid, Cooper confirmed: “There was an awareness of that and there was an expression of concern.”

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

The Beatings will begin until Every One Admits They are LIARS! Including ME!

Your juvenile post is an admission you can't refute my assertion.

I love your user name. "Berg" is a mountain which is appropriate, since you appear to be as dumb as a rock!

 

[berg80]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

The Beatings will begin until Every One Admits They are LIARS! Including ME!

Your juvenile post is an admission you can't refute my assertion.

I love your user name. "Berg" is a mountain which is appropriate, since you appear to be as dumb as a rock!

How does your ad hominem insult address the issue that Repub counsel Caster told a lie regarding the timing of Ukraine's knowledge about military aid being withheld? A lie Trumper's believe. A lie preventing us from have a reasoned debate about whether Trump's offenses are impeachable.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Your argument falls apart when Zelensky had 5 meetings with US reps and never asked once about the US aid.
The democrats cannot connect the dots that the Ukraine knew that the aid was being delayed, if so why not make the announcement about an investigation into Burisma?
Don't call Zelensky a liar, he said multiple times that he felt no pressure to do anything.

“We had this information. It was definitely mentioned there were some issues,” Olena Zerkal told The New York Times in a report published Tuesday.

House investigators are probing allegations that Trump withheld nearly $400 million in military aid in an effort to persuade Ukraine to announce politically beneficial investigations. Trump and Republican lawmakers have questioned the accusations, claiming that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky couldn’t have felt pressured because he wasn’t aware of a freeze in security aid.

Zerkal’s account is matched by Laura Cooper, a U.S. deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Russia and Ukraine who testified before the House Intelligence Committee in November. In her testimony, Cooper said that her staff received emails on July 25 in which the State Department said the Ukrainian Embassy and House Foreign Affairs Committee were “asking about security assistance.”
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It isn't often that a Trumper proves my point in the very first reply. So, thanks. You're making this easy.

July 25th, huh? What was the date of the phone call between Trump and Zelensky? Why it was July 25th, wasn't it? Coincidence?