The Absurd Reality of the WOT

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    Barbarity and Civility: Eyeing the Terror War with Clarity
    Editorial from The New Hampshire Union-Leader
    July 11, 2005

    IMMEDIATELY after Thursday's bombings in London, some on the far left blamed Prime Minister Tony Blair, saying it was his fault for sending troops to Iraq. This is the same poisoned thinking that blamed America for the 9/11 attacks and equated the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay with the acts of terrorists and totalitarian regimes.

    Humiliating prisoners and placing them in stress positions might be considered cruelty by some. But it is not in the same universe with decapitation, electric shock and mass murder.

    Then there is the matter of victim selection. From the start, the Islamist terrorists operated under a broadened definition of "enemy" that covered civilians as well as military personnel. And so they brought down the Twin Towers, exploded passenger trains in Spain, blew up Shiite mosques in Iraq and bombed London commuters.

    Not incidentally, this mirrors the treatment meted out by the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. Even so slight an offense as open disagreement is met with jail, torture or death.

    By contrast, when American military personnel kill civilians, it is by accident, and it is followed by swift apologies and restitution.

    As we debate whether glovelessly handling a Koran is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, terrorists plot the destruction of all Western civilization, or at least as many "infidel" non-believers as they can possibly wipe out.

    The CIA reportedly kidnaps Osama Mustafa Hassan Nasr, a radical cleric, in Milan, and ships him to Saudi Arabia, and there is widespread outrage. Meanwhile, al-Qaida kidnaps and executes Egyptian envoy Ihab al-Sherif, and there is only a murmur of mild indignation.

    That the fundamental differences between the actions of Western governments and the actions of the Islamist terrorists have to be continually pointed out is one of life's absurd realities. That many of the people who need to have it pointed out are Westerners themselves is doubly absurd.

    http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=57546
     
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    This guy was so humiliated that he started bleeding!
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    And this guy was so humiliated that he DIED!
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    Why do people enjoy being torture apologists. "Humiliating prisoners and placing them in stress positions" doesn't kill people. The author is only hoping that nobody knows anything what actually happened in those prisons.
     
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    Oh well tough shit. All's fair in love and war. I say humiliate them all, and if that don't work torture them until the dogs die.

    Why do people enjoy being terrorist and Amrican enemy apologists and sympathizers?
     
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    Oh and thanks for the pics, those always give me a laugh and a pick me up!
     
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    Hey why not post pics of those beheaded by these types also....go to www.michaelsavage.com paste and post the pics of victims of terrorists...ie: beheadings...put this into proper perspective!
     
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    You know, this reminds me. When I was in the sixth grade I got beat up at the end of the year. I was new to the area (San Diego downtown district). I came from Eureka, CA. Yeah, the two are not the same. This one kid did not like me, so we eventually fought, and he won.

    Did I go home and cry to mommy that the teacher/principle was at fault? No. I said I got beat up (heeheh, got ice cream).

    7th grade rolls around and I grow 4 inches or something. By the time I saw this kid, who beat me up again, we were outranked. Junior high changes alot. So I "beat him up." Not as bad as he did me the year before, but enough to make him almost cry.

    Did he blame the teachers/principle?

    No. He accepted that he caused the event and the event went directly back to him.

    I know this is schoolyard logic, however, I can not believe these lefties who go around and act like the simple schoolyard logic is meaningless. Don't get me wrong, bullies are not good for society, but hear me out. The mass media newspapers want to go around and tell us that we (I in the case of my above story) had it coming simpy because I could not understant his hatred for me. According to them, I should have been more understanding of why he did not like me and why he wanted to beat me up.

    Then, when I grew big enough to pound him, they would say that I am not acting as a compassionate person. You know what, on the school ground if I did not beat him up I would have been beat up again. Yes. Think back to your school yard days (at least those from the inner city).

    Same thing here. Islam, for centuries, advances militarily into the christian lands. We defend by attacking back. Now, in the lefties eye, we were really wanting simply to expand our empire. Another topic, of which again they are wrong.

    After the crusades and the end of muslims military expansion, things settle down.

    Lately we have had the BULLY rise again. The new kid on the block (the US) is face to face with an age old bully who has been around for centuries (1,2,3,,4,5 and then sixth grade years in my analogy).

    We have now grown by "inches," are are defeating the bully's attempt to convert us to Islam.
     
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    Very fitting and profound...in todays world as well as the old!...kudos!
     
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    Hmmm Ok so the new bully rises up and wants the west to get the hell out of thier land. Some feel as if we should. Why? Do they think it would be appropriate for the US to tell Muslims to get out our land ? I don't think so. Do these protestors feel as if America is thier land or do they feel as if the "government" has taken away land from Americans so they get some vicarious thrill out of Muslims attacking the government of America ? If the Muslims succeed will the "US deserves it" crowd cheer and have a party" or is there some event that will be the signal for them to say "ok thats enough---stop messing with us now" ?

    On the other hand, if Muslims are so screwed up, why are we protecting so many of them? Why do we try to distinguish between good ones or bad ones?
    Why do we find it neccessary to find out which terrorist group killed folks this time? Does it matter? If the US leaves Iraq won't there be a civil war where everyone killed will be a muslim? Isn't that a good thing? If the US stays should we send more troops, declare martial law and kill everyone who doesn't go by it? If Muslims are so bad, why do we think they can form a peaceful democracy? Bad Muslims--do we really know who they are or how to stop them? I'm beginning to wonder.
     
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    Good point. ALL radical, US hating Muslims bent on destroying our society are our enemies and should be treated as such. Instead, we let them teach Wahabbism in mosques within our own damned borders.

    They use our own First Amendment rights to screw us in the rear.
     
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    Seems to me that we are relying solely on the newly trained Iraqi military to provide the US with an exit opportunity from Iraq but I don't see a lot of media coverage of them ( not that I really expect it ). If they can't muster into a fighting force with high moral, national pride and the support of a majority of the Iraqi people, we will be watching a slaughter as soon as our troops leave. Arabs from everywhere will put em on thier hit list.
     

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