The 501c3 designation is what has destroyed the church

The establishment clause was written to prevent a national religion and to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions which were perfectly constitutional.
LOL. A big part of seeking "Independence" in the first place was escaping state establishment of churches or religions. "State" meaning federal or state. Govts cannot establish religions period.
 
The establishment clause was written to prevent a national religion and to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions which were perfectly constitutional.
LOL. A big part of seeking "Independence" in the first place was escaping state establishment of churches or religions.
We already know that socialist drips like you worship The State.

Dismissed.
 
..the bible is irrelevant to it .....if they are helping people without profit , fine--no tax



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Democrats passed the restriction because they hate freedom and religion.
...ALL guidebooks/constitutions/laws/etc are just that = GUIDES....they can be interpreted many ways...they can't put everything into them



The Constitution is the law of the land.


And you're a moron.
so, you show your immaturity/idiocy by insults
...did the Constitution say anything about the internet? cars? etc?? NO---


Another lesson, moron???



Comin' right up:

Judge Bork makes the point that Originalists can easily apply timeless constitutional commands to new technologies, such as wiretapping and television, and to changed circumstances, as suits for libel and slander. All the judge needs is knowledge of the core value that the Framers intended to protect. And, while we may not decide every case in the way the Framers would have, “entire ranges of problems will be placed off limits to judges, thus preserving democracy in those areas where the framers intended democratic government.”



Have you ever read a book??????


Start here:

51mXsv9AVIL._SX340_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
--hahahahha--ok ....a very mature/etc response
:rolleyes-41:
 
..the churches are not perfect....they can be wrong also
..they rape children and then the hierarchy tries to cover it up
..they TORTURED people
...they punished Galileo
...they pillaged a CHRISTIAN city for -------------$$$$$
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia

Of course they are not. The church has a long and rich history. And let’s be real, a lot of that history is positively awful and barbaric.
So why do churches get a tax break? The OP is correct in that preaching politics from the pulpit violates separation of church and state as was Jefferson's clear intent behind the 1st.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship
Personal is personal. Not between Man & his govt. Not between Man & his church. Not between govt & churches. Now If churches could prove themselves of net tangible, nondiscriminatory value to the public at large,.. especially contrasted with secular institutions who'd obviously benefit from the tax free status tremendously,..
That was a good catch...

if the 501c3 is a Law doing something at all...its a Law that recognizes the establishment and its not supposed to do THAT, either. :lol:

except for the fact hes full of shit and nothing he said is true,,,
It's the very 1st clause of the 1st sentence....the tax exemption actually seems to violate this sentiment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,


you cant edit it to make your case,,,
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Democrats passed the restriction because they hate freedom and religion.
...ALL guidebooks/constitutions/laws/etc are just that = GUIDES....they can be interpreted many ways...they can't put everything into them



The Constitution is the law of the land.


And you're a moron.
so, you show your immaturity/idiocy by insults
...did the Constitution say anything about the internet? cars? etc?? NO---


Another lesson, moron???



Comin' right up:

Judge Bork makes the point that Originalists can easily apply timeless constitutional commands to new technologies, such as wiretapping and television, and to changed circumstances, as suits for libel and slander. All the judge needs is knowledge of the core value that the Framers intended to protect. And, while we may not decide every case in the way the Framers would have, “entire ranges of problems will be placed off limits to judges, thus preserving democracy in those areas where the framers intended democratic government.”



Have you ever read a book??????


Start here:

51mXsv9AVIL._SX340_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
--hahahahha--ok ....a very mature/etc response.
:rolleyes-41:



Am I supposed to pretend that someone with no education....you.....has a valid opinion?????


Guess again.



Remember the last time you were right about anything?




Me neither.
 
Of course they are not. The church has a long and rich history. And let’s be real, a lot of that history is positively awful and barbaric.
So why do churches get a tax break? The OP is correct in that preaching politics from the pulpit violates separation of church and state as was Jefferson's clear intent behind the 1st.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship
Personal is personal. Not between Man & his govt. Not between Man & his church. Not between govt & churches. Now If churches could prove themselves of net tangible, nondiscriminatory value to the public at large,.. especially contrasted with secular institutions who'd obviously benefit from the tax free status tremendously,..
That was a good catch...

if the 501c3 is a Law doing something at all...its a Law that recognizes the establishment and its not supposed to do THAT, either. :lol:

except for the fact hes full of shit and nothing he said is true,,,
It's the very 1st clause of the 1st sentence....the tax exemption actually seems to violate this sentiment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,


you cant edit it to make your case,,,
That's a clause that ends in a comma -

does the rest of it negate that 1st clause? If I thought it did, you coulda had it: here ya go dude...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 
If you give someone a gift of $10,000 why would it need to be taxed?

It’s already been taxed.


there is no law/code that says gifts under 10K are tax exempt,,,
all the 10K mark is for is to document anytime more than 10K cash changes hands,,,

what it does says is cash is not considered income,,,
 
So why do churches get a tax break? The OP is correct in that preaching politics from the pulpit violates separation of church and state as was Jefferson's clear intent behind the 1st.
Personal is personal. Not between Man & his govt. Not between Man & his church. Not between govt & churches. Now If churches could prove themselves of net tangible, nondiscriminatory value to the public at large,.. especially contrasted with secular institutions who'd obviously benefit from the tax free status tremendously,..
That was a good catch...

if the 501c3 is a Law doing something at all...its a Law that recognizes the establishment and its not supposed to do THAT, either. :lol:

except for the fact hes full of shit and nothing he said is true,,,
It's the very 1st clause of the 1st sentence....the tax exemption actually seems to violate this sentiment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,


you cant edit it to make your case,,,
That's a clause that ends in a comma -

does the rest of it negate that 1st clause? If I thought it did, you coulda had it: here ya go dude...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


and a 501c3 prohibits the free exercise thereof,,,
 
If you give someone a gift of $10,000 why would it need to be taxed?

It’s already been taxed.


there is no law/code that says gifts under 10K are tax exempt,,,
all the 10K mark is for is to document anytime more than 10K cash changes hands,,,

what it does says is cash is not considered income,,,
factually wrong...from the IRS:



GIFT GIVING
If you give any one person gifts valued at more than $10,000 in a year, it is necessary to report the total gift to the Internal Revenue Service. You may even have to pay tax on the gift. The person who receives your gift does not have to report the gift to the IRS or pay gift or income tax on its value.
 
That was a good catch...

if the 501c3 is a Law doing something at all...its a Law that recognizes the establishment and its not supposed to do THAT, either. :lol:

except for the fact hes full of shit and nothing he said is true,,,
It's the very 1st clause of the 1st sentence....the tax exemption actually seems to violate this sentiment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,


you cant edit it to make your case,,,
That's a clause that ends in a comma -

does the rest of it negate that 1st clause? If I thought it did, you coulda had it: here ya go dude...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


and a 501c3 prohibits the free exercise thereof,,,
It also respects an establishment of...

double banger! No more tax exempt status!
 
If you give someone a gift of $10,000 why would it need to be taxed?

It’s already been taxed.


there is no law/code that says gifts under 10K are tax exempt,,,
all the 10K mark is for is to document anytime more than 10K cash changes hands,,,

what it does says is cash is not considered income,,,
factually wrong...from the IRS:



GIFT GIVING
If you give any one person gifts valued at more than $10,000 in a year, it is necessary to report the total gift to the Internal Revenue Service. You may even have to pay tax on the gift. The person who receives your gift does not have to report the gift to the IRS or pay gift or income tax on its value.


your comment lacks a link or tax code number to back it up,,,
 
If you give someone a gift of $10,000 why would it need to be taxed?

It’s already been taxed.


there is no law/code that says gifts under 10K are tax exempt,,,
all the 10K mark is for is to document anytime more than 10K cash changes hands,,,

what it does says is cash is not considered income,,,
factually wrong...from the IRS:



GIFT GIVING
If you give any one person gifts valued at more than $10,000 in a year, it is necessary to report the total gift to the Internal Revenue Service. You may even have to pay tax on the gift. The person who receives your gift does not have to report the gift to the IRS or pay gift or income tax on its value.


your comment lacks a link or tax code number to back it up,,,
ohhh fuckin god dude, you're one of those huh?

Frequently Asked Questions on Gift Taxes | Internal Revenue Service
 
except for the fact hes full of shit and nothing he said is true,,,
It's the very 1st clause of the 1st sentence....the tax exemption actually seems to violate this sentiment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,


you cant edit it to make your case,,,
That's a clause that ends in a comma -

does the rest of it negate that 1st clause? If I thought it did, you coulda had it: here ya go dude...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


and a 501c3 prohibits the free exercise thereof,,,
It also respects an establishment of...

double banger! No more tax exempt status!


sorry but taxs cause restrictions of a religion and prohibit it from exercising their rights
 
It's the very 1st clause of the 1st sentence....the tax exemption actually seems to violate this sentiment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,


you cant edit it to make your case,,,
That's a clause that ends in a comma -

does the rest of it negate that 1st clause? If I thought it did, you coulda had it: here ya go dude...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


and a 501c3 prohibits the free exercise thereof,,,
It also respects an establishment of...

double banger! No more tax exempt status!


sorry but taxs cause restrictions of a religion and prohibit it from exercising their rights
That's nice - but you said congress creating laws are restricted by the 1st amendment...

that means the tax exemption law violates the 1st clause of the 1st sentence of the 1st amendment, quite plainly and by your own standard. Sorry, you cannot have it both ways.
 
If you give someone a gift of $10,000 why would it need to be taxed?

It’s already been taxed.


there is no law/code that says gifts under 10K are tax exempt,,,
all the 10K mark is for is to document anytime more than 10K cash changes hands,,,

what it does says is cash is not considered income,,,
factually wrong...from the IRS:



GIFT GIVING
If you give any one person gifts valued at more than $10,000 in a year, it is necessary to report the total gift to the Internal Revenue Service. You may even have to pay tax on the gift. The person who receives your gift does not have to report the gift to the IRS or pay gift or income tax on its value.


your comment lacks a link or tax code number to back it up,,,
ohhh fuckin god dude, you're one of those huh?

Frequently Asked Questions on Gift Taxes | Internal Revenue Service


sorry jr but IRS publications are not law,, a law is backed up by a number,,,
 
...ALL guidebooks/constitutions/laws/etc are just that = GUIDES....they can be interpreted many ways...they can't put everything into them



The Constitution is the law of the land.


And you're a moron.
so, you show your immaturity/idiocy by insults
...did the Constitution say anything about the internet? cars? etc?? NO---


Another lesson, moron???



Comin' right up:

Judge Bork makes the point that Originalists can easily apply timeless constitutional commands to new technologies, such as wiretapping and television, and to changed circumstances, as suits for libel and slander. All the judge needs is knowledge of the core value that the Framers intended to protect. And, while we may not decide every case in the way the Framers would have, “entire ranges of problems will be placed off limits to judges, thus preserving democracy in those areas where the framers intended democratic government.”



Have you ever read a book??????


Start here:

51mXsv9AVIL._SX340_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
--hahahahha--ok ....a very mature/etc response.
:rolleyes-41:



Am I supposed to pretend that someone with no education....you.....has a valid opinion?????


Guess again.



Remember the last time you were right about anything?




Me neither.
ok youngster
 
If you give someone a gift of $10,000 why would it need to be taxed?

It’s already been taxed.


there is no law/code that says gifts under 10K are tax exempt,,,
all the 10K mark is for is to document anytime more than 10K cash changes hands,,,

what it does says is cash is not considered income,,,
factually wrong...from the IRS:



GIFT GIVING
If you give any one person gifts valued at more than $10,000 in a year, it is necessary to report the total gift to the Internal Revenue Service. You may even have to pay tax on the gift. The person who receives your gift does not have to report the gift to the IRS or pay gift or income tax on its value.


your comment lacks a link or tax code number to back it up,,,
ohhh fuckin god dude, you're one of those huh?

Frequently Asked Questions on Gift Taxes | Internal Revenue Service


sorry jr but IRS publications are not law,, a law is backed up by a number,,,
The Laws are referenced in the link...why are you just being a dick as opposed to having a discussion? Take a break if you get so triggered
 
The Constitution is the law of the land.


And you're a moron.
so, you show your immaturity/idiocy by insults
...did the Constitution say anything about the internet? cars? etc?? NO---


Another lesson, moron???



Comin' right up:

Judge Bork makes the point that Originalists can easily apply timeless constitutional commands to new technologies, such as wiretapping and television, and to changed circumstances, as suits for libel and slander. All the judge needs is knowledge of the core value that the Framers intended to protect. And, while we may not decide every case in the way the Framers would have, “entire ranges of problems will be placed off limits to judges, thus preserving democracy in those areas where the framers intended democratic government.”



Have you ever read a book??????


Start here:

51mXsv9AVIL._SX340_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
--hahahahha--ok ....a very mature/etc response.
:rolleyes-41:



Am I supposed to pretend that someone with no education....you.....has a valid opinion?????


Guess again.



Remember the last time you were right about anything?




Me neither.
ok youngster



No, not OK, you dunce.

I'm gonna assume you were born in America, yet remain clueless about what makes America the idol of the world.


"The Constitution is certainly the most influential legal document in existence. Since its creation some two hundred years ago, over one hundred countries around the world have used it as a model for their own."
Official U.S. Constitution Website - Learn About the United States (U.S.) Constitution & More | Constitution Facts
 
The establishment clause was written to prevent a national religion and to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions which were perfectly constitutional.
LOL. A big part of seeking "Independence" in the first place was escaping state establishment of churches or religions. "State" meaning federal or state. Govts cannot establish religions period.
Madison attempted to include states in the establishment clause but was defeated in the senate. Later the Blaine amendment tried to include states in the establishment clause which was also defeated. It is important to note that the Blaine amendment was defeated by the same authors of the 14th amendment. The reason it is important is because the 14th amendment was later used (Gitlow v. New York (1925)) to include states in the establishment clause. The 14th was also used to include states in the 2nd amendment. Both "judgements" were blatantly unconstitutional.
 

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