The 501c3 designation is what has destroyed the church

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    thats how it is, not how I see it,,,
    as long as you know the world doesnt revolve around you and your feelings,,,
     
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    C’mon dude, I was pretty specific in what I wrote. Stop trying to argue it was something more.

    We have great examples from our history of churches debating social issues. None of the founders tried to promote themselves when they were promoting ideals.
     
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    how do you know what they did 230 yrs ago???
     
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    I don’t derive right and wrong from popular opinion. They stand on their own.

    If your goal is to turn church services into campaign rallies, I’ll fight that because it is wrong.
     
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    This is true. But I happen to believe this stranglehold on the church is what has kept the right from being able to nominate much better candidates for republicans. We’ve been getting stuck with the establishments choices because the church hasn’t been allowed to discuss alternative candidates among their congregation. This matter is important because of the way people bind themselves to groupthink. I wish it wasn’t the case but it is, until we reach a higher level of consciousness, which I believe is happening.
     
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    Because I read books.

    Ben Franklin and Daniel Webster were big abolitionists who got that message out through the churches. Which was pretty much how all social issues were discussed.
     
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    my goal is to fight for free speech from any fascist that dares to try and take it,,,
    like you are right now,,,
     
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    what political office were they running for???

    and do you have transcripts of every conversation they ever had in and around a church???

    NO YOU DONT,,,so stop acting like you do,,,
     
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    I don’t believe that is the root cause of having poor choices in our elected officials.

    I believe the root cause is society itself. We’ve lowered our standards of conduct. As such we get the candidates we deserve.

    Apparently they need to be puritans or at least very good at hiding their sexual discretions.

    That’s never really been high on my list for selecting leaders. I want guys like Churchill and Truman and Eisenhower and JFK. Those guys were definitely not saints. But they were great leaders.
     
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    And my goal is to fight for good over evil.
     

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