I love a good fight!!
And what could be better than a knock down-drag out when you don'l like either participant!!
Tesla motors give the $100,000 car to NYTimes reporter Broder to drive 250 miles and write a review. He drives....car misperforms....has to be flat-bedded....Tesla says he purposely drove wrong....Broder says he followed their instructions!
Then two CNN guys take the car and drive the same route....no probs!
Who's lying???
1. "The dust-up over the New York Times' Tesla Model S review may have left no real winners, but that doesn't preclude at least trying to reach the truth. According to the newspaper's Public Editor, Margaret Sullivan, the final answer rests where it often does: in between the two extremes. Following interviews with driver John Broder, Tesla staff and others involved in the tale, the scrutineer believes the review was conducted honestly, but that improper decisions and less-than-precise notes led to the charging woes and accusations of deception that characterized the drive."
NYT says Tesla Model S review the result of shaky judgment, Musk calls it even
The following are comments from readers on an EV blog:
2. Look, we know what happened. It's the same thing that happens with every lithium-ion powered car. It got cold out, and the battery range degraded. The next morning, Tesla's moronic CSR told the reporter that it'd be okay to drive because the battery's range would recover. But it never got warm enough, so the car died and had to be put on a tow truck.
Instead of just admitting what every owner of an EV knows and telling the reporter that cold weather degrades lithium-ion battery range, Tesla's CEO thought he'd brazen it out and accuse the reporter of "faking" his review. A writeup in Consumer Reports published on Feb. 15 documents that, in cold weather, the Model S range is only two-thirds of what the company claims it to be.
3. EVs get bad press because there are plenty of situations where they are unsuitable, EV fanboy claims notwithstanding. Broder was invited to test the Tesla with Supercharger network as an example of the practicality of long-distance travel in an EV. The Times had previously published a very positive article about a drive using the West Coast Supercharger network. Well, guess, what? It gets COLD in New England and the distance to Superchargers is not insignificant...
4. ...holding back EVs today is exactly what it was 10 years ago... COST, RANGE and CHARGE TIME. It has gotten better, the Tesla is far nicer and has better range than a Renaul LeCar full of lead-acid batteries but the car is still close on to $100K to go maybe 250 miles and, all told, Broder spent at least 4 hours waiting at a charger of some type for a trip that would require less than 10 minutes of refuelling time and cost $30 in gas in a $24K Prius. And you'd have waste heat to keep you toasty.
5. A trip length that accounts for less than 1% of trips. If you can't use common sense on the trip, don't take it. If you want a better car for you daily, weekly, and monthly needs, get an EV and then rent a car ...
What's holding back EVs is fear and misconceptions.
6. ...the vehicle did not reach the stated range when driven hard. What is the point of a $100,000 vehicle that looks like an Aston Martin if you have to drive around like a little old lady in a prius. And don't crank up the heat during winter? What is the point of this car?
7. ...you're going to have to get used to the concept of not being able to be as wasteful as previous generations. In your parents and grandparents world, you could pollute and waste fuel helter skelter...that's what brought us to this point, isn't it? ...easy on the environment. ...The only choice (and chance) we have for the future is to change our habits.
8. Speaking of "wasteful," Tesla's Model S weighs more than 4,000 pounds, and consumes, best as I can tell, 35% more electrons per mile as a subcompact EV. You can guzzle electricity same as gas.
9. When they handed him the car, they did not say, "keep your speed down." The car, after charging in Delaware and after charging in Milford, told him that he had more than enough miles in the tank to make the trip... and the car was wrong. When he called for advice, they told him to slow down and the logs unequivocally show that he did slow down. You can quibble about how much and when but he still slowed down way below prevailing traffic speed.....but I don't set out on road trips to stand around waiting for my car to take on fuel at the rate of 5 miles a minute (best Supercharger rate) or less (Utility charger rate - who knows what that was).
10.Tesla's logs, which have not been authenticated and cannot be authenticated because the company refuses to release the raw data, show the reporter traveling mostly in the 50s and 60s. But hey, I'll have to remember that if you take a Tesla Model S downhill and let it go up to 81 miles an hour, it will die on you. All this for a hundred grand. Wow!
Tesla Model S Owners Decide To Show How John Broder Should Have Test Driven The Model S - CleanTechnica
Was that Old Rocks at #7?
And what could be better than a knock down-drag out when you don'l like either participant!!
Tesla motors give the $100,000 car to NYTimes reporter Broder to drive 250 miles and write a review. He drives....car misperforms....has to be flat-bedded....Tesla says he purposely drove wrong....Broder says he followed their instructions!
Then two CNN guys take the car and drive the same route....no probs!
Who's lying???
1. "The dust-up over the New York Times' Tesla Model S review may have left no real winners, but that doesn't preclude at least trying to reach the truth. According to the newspaper's Public Editor, Margaret Sullivan, the final answer rests where it often does: in between the two extremes. Following interviews with driver John Broder, Tesla staff and others involved in the tale, the scrutineer believes the review was conducted honestly, but that improper decisions and less-than-precise notes led to the charging woes and accusations of deception that characterized the drive."
NYT says Tesla Model S review the result of shaky judgment, Musk calls it even
The following are comments from readers on an EV blog:
2. Look, we know what happened. It's the same thing that happens with every lithium-ion powered car. It got cold out, and the battery range degraded. The next morning, Tesla's moronic CSR told the reporter that it'd be okay to drive because the battery's range would recover. But it never got warm enough, so the car died and had to be put on a tow truck.
Instead of just admitting what every owner of an EV knows and telling the reporter that cold weather degrades lithium-ion battery range, Tesla's CEO thought he'd brazen it out and accuse the reporter of "faking" his review. A writeup in Consumer Reports published on Feb. 15 documents that, in cold weather, the Model S range is only two-thirds of what the company claims it to be.
3. EVs get bad press because there are plenty of situations where they are unsuitable, EV fanboy claims notwithstanding. Broder was invited to test the Tesla with Supercharger network as an example of the practicality of long-distance travel in an EV. The Times had previously published a very positive article about a drive using the West Coast Supercharger network. Well, guess, what? It gets COLD in New England and the distance to Superchargers is not insignificant...
4. ...holding back EVs today is exactly what it was 10 years ago... COST, RANGE and CHARGE TIME. It has gotten better, the Tesla is far nicer and has better range than a Renaul LeCar full of lead-acid batteries but the car is still close on to $100K to go maybe 250 miles and, all told, Broder spent at least 4 hours waiting at a charger of some type for a trip that would require less than 10 minutes of refuelling time and cost $30 in gas in a $24K Prius. And you'd have waste heat to keep you toasty.
5. A trip length that accounts for less than 1% of trips. If you can't use common sense on the trip, don't take it. If you want a better car for you daily, weekly, and monthly needs, get an EV and then rent a car ...
What's holding back EVs is fear and misconceptions.
6. ...the vehicle did not reach the stated range when driven hard. What is the point of a $100,000 vehicle that looks like an Aston Martin if you have to drive around like a little old lady in a prius. And don't crank up the heat during winter? What is the point of this car?
7. ...you're going to have to get used to the concept of not being able to be as wasteful as previous generations. In your parents and grandparents world, you could pollute and waste fuel helter skelter...that's what brought us to this point, isn't it? ...easy on the environment. ...The only choice (and chance) we have for the future is to change our habits.
8. Speaking of "wasteful," Tesla's Model S weighs more than 4,000 pounds, and consumes, best as I can tell, 35% more electrons per mile as a subcompact EV. You can guzzle electricity same as gas.
9. When they handed him the car, they did not say, "keep your speed down." The car, after charging in Delaware and after charging in Milford, told him that he had more than enough miles in the tank to make the trip... and the car was wrong. When he called for advice, they told him to slow down and the logs unequivocally show that he did slow down. You can quibble about how much and when but he still slowed down way below prevailing traffic speed.....but I don't set out on road trips to stand around waiting for my car to take on fuel at the rate of 5 miles a minute (best Supercharger rate) or less (Utility charger rate - who knows what that was).
10.Tesla's logs, which have not been authenticated and cannot be authenticated because the company refuses to release the raw data, show the reporter traveling mostly in the 50s and 60s. But hey, I'll have to remember that if you take a Tesla Model S downhill and let it go up to 81 miles an hour, it will die on you. All this for a hundred grand. Wow!
Tesla Model S Owners Decide To Show How John Broder Should Have Test Driven The Model S - CleanTechnica
Was that Old Rocks at #7?
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