Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

[guno]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

 

[HappyJoy]

He's obviously a nazi/communist/islamofacist and gay....and Canadian

 

[hipeter924]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Sounds a bit like Romney's visit to the diner, where he wanted to engage with the plebs.
Didn't go so well for him.

 

[2aguy]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

 

[HappyJoy]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

Technically it's background checks on potential gun owners and it's a good idea. It takes literally 5 minutes. I don't think felons should have the same right to legally own guns that I do. You'd have to be a complete dumbass to think otherwise.

 

[2aguy]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

Technically it's background checks on potential gun owners and it's a good idea. It takes literally 5 minutes.

Background checks do not stop any crime....guns are either bought by people who can pass background checks...in 5 minutes...and then passed to criminals, or the guns are stolen.......background checks do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns......and they didn't stop one mass shooter either...not the underage kids at columbine or the Navy Yard shooter, the Santa Barbara shooter who went through 3 separate background checks for his 3 guns, the 2 Fort Hood Shooters, the Virginia Tech shooter, the colorado theater shooter.......see the point....?

 

[AmericanFirst1]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

Yep. Guno is a commie idiot.

 

[guno]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

because almost all political violence happens from the left wing

?? Yea the left wing clutches and waves around guns!! You stupid putz


30 years of right-wing violence in pictures

30 years of right-wing violence in pictures

Terror From the Right Plots Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[AmericanFirst1]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

because almost all political violence happens from the left wing

?? Yea the left wing clutches and waves around guns!! You stupid putz

Terror From the Right Plots Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City Southern Poverty Law Center

You are a friggin idiot.

 

[HappyJoy]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

Technically it's background checks on potential gun owners and it's a good idea. It takes literally 5 minutes.

Background checks do not stop any crime....guns are either bought by people who can pass background checks...in 5 minutes...and then passed to criminals, or the guns are stolen.......background checks do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns

So, what you are saying is that criminals should be allowed to purchase guns. Correct? Do you think pedophiles should be allowed to work in day care centers? What is preventing them from doing so now?

......and they didn't stop one mass shooter either...

So, to get this straight. Every law according to you MUST prevent all crimes that it was created to prevent or we toss it out? Kind of an impossible standard.

not the underage kids at columbine or the Navy Yard shooter, the Santa Barbara shooter who went through 3 separate background checks for his 3 guns, the 2 Fort Hood Shooters, the Virginia Tech shooter, the colorado theater shooter.......see the point....?

I'm sure there are a lot of lawfully purchases guns used in horrible crimes. That's really not a positive argument for someone who is pro gun. Are you saying that every gun purchase should require a clean mental health history? Sure sounds like it. I'm only asking for 5 minutes so the everyday/run of the mill criminal can't walk into a Walmart and buy a gun. Of course that would require a real background check system. I as a gun owner would appreciate if the nut jobs had as difficult time as possible trying to get their hands on one.

 

[2aguy]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

Technically it's background checks on potential gun owners and it's a good idea. It takes literally 5 minutes.

Background checks do not stop any crime....guns are either bought by people who can pass background checks...in 5 minutes...and then passed to criminals, or the guns are stolen.......background checks do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns

So, what you are saying is that criminals should be allowed to purchase guns. Correct? Do you think pedophiles should be allowed to work in day care centers? What is preventing them from doing so now?

......and they didn't stop one mass shooter either...

So, to get this straight. Every law according to you MUST prevent all crimes that it was created to prevent or we toss it out? Kind of an impossible standard.

not the underage kids at columbine or the Navy Yard shooter, the Santa Barbara shooter who went through 3 separate background checks for his 3 guns, the 2 Fort Hood Shooters, the Virginia Tech shooter, the colorado theater shooter.......see the point....?

I'm sure there are a lot of lawfully purchases guns used in horrible crimes. That's really not a positive argument for someone who is pro gun. Are you saying that every gun purchase should require a clean mental health history? Sure sounds like it. I'm only asking for 5 minutes so the everyday/run of the mill criminal can't walk into a Walmart and buy a gun. Of course that would require a real background check system. I as a gun owner would appreciate if the nut jobs had as difficult time as possible trying to get their hands on one.

It is against the law for criminals to purchase guns right now....you realize that...right? and background checks do nothing to stop that...right?


The only gun control that works is when a criminal uses a gun in a crime, you arrest them and lock them up for a long time. This sounds like a common sense idea, but the state and federal government are not locking up gun criminals.....they use guns as a bargaining chip...which is why you see these killers out on the street even though in the news story you will read "Previous weapons violations..."

If you really want to stop gun crime you have to focus on criminals, not peaceful, law abiding citizens.


No...what you need to understand is that background checks do not stop gun crime...at all....what the gun grabbers believe is that background checks stop criminals from getting guns...and that is not true. Now, because criminals still get guns they want "Universal Background checks" which will be bypassed the same ways that the current background checks are bypassed....but....it will trip up regular citizens who don't know the law...which is the real point....they want to make buying a gun legally risky, and inconvenient for normal people....

 

[2aguy]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

because almost all political violence happens from the left wing

?? Yea the left wing clutches and waves around guns!! You stupid putz


30 years of right-wing violence in pictures

30 years of right-wing violence in pictures

Terror From the Right Plots Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City Southern Poverty Law Center

And far more left wing violence......and you know what...conservatives do not embrace killers the way democrats do....President obama is good personal friends with two left wing, domestic terrorists....bill ayers and bernadine dohrn, and friends with the spokesman for the left wing terrorist organization rashid khalidy.....bill clinton (the serial sexual rapist and predator) pardoned left wing terrorists for political donations and political votes........

So please...the belief that right wing violence in any way compares to the left wing political violence in this country is a joke......

Left wing violence is common, more widespread and protected by the democrats in politics, education, journalism and the entertainment industry......our President is personal freinds with violent, left wing political terrorists.........and the witch you morons are going to vote for helped pardon more violent, left wing political terrorists for votes and money...

and various violent, left wing political terrorists now have teaching positions at various liberal colleges and universities.....like President Obama's friend bill ayers...the violent, left wing political terrorist of the weathermen....

And Presidential assassins....the ones who weren't just nuts were all left wing killers.......



Articles The Left Not the Right Owns Political Violence

What about the bombings perpetrated by the Weathermen? Former Weatherman bomber Bill Ayers is, of course, a close associate of President Barack Obama. Ayers managed to escape prosecution (and proclaimed himself "[g]uilty as hell, free as a bird"), but his wife Bernadine Dohrn served jail time for her part in the violence. Black radicals seized Cornell University at gunpoint in 1969, the same year the SDS and the Weathermen staged the "Days of Rage" riots. Race riots took place in Watts in 1965 and nationwide in 1968; leftists rioted at the Democratic Party Convention in Chicago in 1968. John Kennedy was murdered by a communist, and Robert Kennedy was shot by a Palestinian -- hardly men of the right.

The 1970s weren't much calmer. The Army Math Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison was bombed by leftist radicals in 1970. Heiress Patty Hearst was kidnapped and took part in a series of armed bank robberies by the left-wing Symbionese Liberation Army. The SLA inspired Sarah Jane Moore to try to assassinate Gerald Ford -- less than three weeks after Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, a disciple of Charles Manson, tried to kill Ford also. And what about the shooting of FBI agents at Wounded Knee by the American Indian Movement in 1975?

Since we're taking about violence against members of Congress, how can we possibly fail to mention the murder of Congressman Leo Ryan and the mass suicide of nine hundred people by the leftist/Marxist Jonestown cult in 1978?

Does anyone recall that President Clinton pardoned members of the Marxist-Leninist-inspired Puerto Rican terrorist group FALN? Clinton also pardoned left-wing radical Susan Rosenberg, who was imprisoned for her role in the murder of two police officers and a security guard in a robbery in 1981. She was offered a teaching job at Hamilton College, but public outcry forced her to decline the position.

More recently, we've seen anarchist and communist riots against the WTO in Seattle in 1999, and violent anti-Bush and antiwar protests. In 2007, leftist playwrights in New York created a stage performance about killing president Bush.

The politics of the contemporary left is absolutely intertwined with either tacit or overt support for violence. How dare the left-wing media attempt to pin the actions of a deranged individual in Tucson on the right! To do so is nothing less than a calumny, a slander, and a blatant hypocrisy.

 

[2aguy]

Left wing violence is just part of who the left is...at all levels...and it is accepted by all levels of democrats......

And that is only the violence here in the states......it would take a long time for an abortion clinic bomber to match the murder of 100 million people by leftists around the world.....

The Media s Myth of Right Wing Violence


Let me show you where real violence comes from, and I don't even need to mention the millions of babies killed every year by progressives or even the tens of millions of people murdered by their communist heroes.

• It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter's speech to be cancelled this week.
• It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man who disagreed with him on healthcare.
• It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work and murdered co-workers.
• Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.
• It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers outside of Seattle.
• It's liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships.
• It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man who spoke his mind.
• It's doubtful that a conservative fired shots into a GOP campaign headquarters.
• In fact, Democrats have no monopoly on having their offices vandalized.
• Don't forget it was Obama's friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.
• It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.
• It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.
• It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley.
• It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows of researchers.
• The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks were probably not right-wingers.
• Every time the G20 gets together, it's not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos.

 

[2aguy]

Let's not forget the lefty unibomber......

Ted Kaczynski - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Katzndogz]

A background check is necessary to keep liberals away.

 

[HappyJoy]

What is he afraid of? Maybe dick Cheney will go shoot at, opps I mean with him

Recently, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) announced that he would be inviting a random “lucky” supporter to have a “shooting excursion” with him to reinforce his commitment to ensuring “your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not infringed upon.” Who would be infringing on those rights? Well, mostly Ted Cruz, whose campaign later clarified that any winner would need to go through a background check.


Addicting Info Ted Cruz Wants Background Check On Supporters Before They Can Shoot With Him

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

Technically it's background checks on potential gun owners and it's a good idea. It takes literally 5 minutes.

Background checks do not stop any crime....guns are either bought by people who can pass background checks...in 5 minutes...and then passed to criminals, or the guns are stolen.......background checks do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns

So, what you are saying is that criminals should be allowed to purchase guns. Correct? Do you think pedophiles should be allowed to work in day care centers? What is preventing them from doing so now?

......and they didn't stop one mass shooter either...

So, to get this straight. Every law according to you MUST prevent all crimes that it was created to prevent or we toss it out? Kind of an impossible standard.

not the underage kids at columbine or the Navy Yard shooter, the Santa Barbara shooter who went through 3 separate background checks for his 3 guns, the 2 Fort Hood Shooters, the Virginia Tech shooter, the colorado theater shooter.......see the point....?

I'm sure there are a lot of lawfully purchases guns used in horrible crimes. That's really not a positive argument for someone who is pro gun. Are you saying that every gun purchase should require a clean mental health history? Sure sounds like it. I'm only asking for 5 minutes so the everyday/run of the mill criminal can't walk into a Walmart and buy a gun. Of course that would require a real background check system. I as a gun owner would appreciate if the nut jobs had as difficult time as possible trying to get their hands on one.

It is against the law for criminals to purchase guns right now....you realize that...right? and background checks do nothing to stop that...right?

it is against the law. I kind of like the idea of them not being able to easily subvert the law and if it requires me to wait an additional 5 minutes then I'm fine. You on the other hand want criminals to ignore whatever the law is, walk into a gun store and buy whatever they want.

The only gun control that works is when a criminal uses a gun in a crime, you arrest them and lock them up for a long time. This sounds like a common sense idea, but the state and federal government are not locking up gun criminals.....they use guns as a bargaining chip...which is why you see these killers out on the street even though in the news story you will read "Previous weapons violations..."

I think when someone is arrested for any violent crime to include domestic violence then their guns are taken away from them whether they used them in whatever crime they were charged with or not. You on the other hand just want to wait until they use them, when it's too late.

If you really want to stop gun crime you have to focus on criminals, not peaceful, law abiding citizens.

Which is exactly what background checks do.

No...what you need to understand is that background checks do not stop gun crime...at all....what the gun grabbers believe is that background checks stop criminals from getting guns...and that is not true. Now, because criminals still get guns they want "Universal Background checks" which will be bypassed the same ways that the current background checks are bypassed....but....it will trip up regular citizens who don't know the law...which is the real point....they want to make buying a gun legally risky, and inconvenient for normal people....

You can take someone's drivers license away but if they really want to drive they are going to do so, that doesn't mean laws are unnecessary. Background checks if they were actually used would eliminate one of the easiest ways for criminals to get guns. No need to make it easy for them and it doesn't infringe on anyone else owning guns.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...because almost all political violence happens from the left wing he would like to stay alive to run for office....and who has a problem with people running background checks on people.....it is assholes like you who want the government to run background checks on gun owners for no real reason other than to hassle them...since criminals simply avoid background checks for guns.....moron...

Technically it's background checks on potential gun owners and it's a good idea. It takes literally 5 minutes.

Background checks do not stop any crime....guns are either bought by people who can pass background checks...in 5 minutes...and then passed to criminals, or the guns are stolen.......background checks do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns

So, what you are saying is that criminals should be allowed to purchase guns. Correct? Do you think pedophiles should be allowed to work in day care centers? What is preventing them from doing so now?

......and they didn't stop one mass shooter either...

So, to get this straight. Every law according to you MUST prevent all crimes that it was created to prevent or we toss it out? Kind of an impossible standard.

not the underage kids at columbine or the Navy Yard shooter, the Santa Barbara shooter who went through 3 separate background checks for his 3 guns, the 2 Fort Hood Shooters, the Virginia Tech shooter, the colorado theater shooter.......see the point....?

I'm sure there are a lot of lawfully purchases guns used in horrible crimes. That's really not a positive argument for someone who is pro gun. Are you saying that every gun purchase should require a clean mental health history? Sure sounds like it. I'm only asking for 5 minutes so the everyday/run of the mill criminal can't walk into a Walmart and buy a gun. Of course that would require a real background check system. I as a gun owner would appreciate if the nut jobs had as difficult time as possible trying to get their hands on one.

It is against the law for criminals to purchase guns right now....you realize that...right? and background checks do nothing to stop that...right?

it is against the law. I kind of like the idea of them not being able to easily subvert the law and if it requires me to wait an additional 5 minutes then I'm fine. You on the other hand want criminals to ignore whatever the law is, walk into a gun store and buy whatever they want.

The only gun control that works is when a criminal uses a gun in a crime, you arrest them and lock them up for a long time. This sounds like a common sense idea, but the state and federal government are not locking up gun criminals.....they use guns as a bargaining chip...which is why you see these killers out on the street even though in the news story you will read "Previous weapons violations..."

I think when someone is arrested for any violent crime to include domestic violence then their guns are taken away from them whether they used them in whatever crime they were charged with or not. You on the other hand just want to wait until they use them, when it's too late.

If you really want to stop gun crime you have to focus on criminals, not peaceful, law abiding citizens.

Which is exactly what background checks do.

No...what you need to understand is that background checks do not stop gun crime...at all....what the gun grabbers believe is that background checks stop criminals from getting guns...and that is not true. Now, because criminals still get guns they want "Universal Background checks" which will be bypassed the same ways that the current background checks are bypassed....but....it will trip up regular citizens who don't know the law...which is the real point....they want to make buying a gun legally risky, and inconvenient for normal people....

You can take someone's drivers license away but if they really want to drive they are going to do so, that doesn't mean laws are unnecessary. Background checks if they were actually used would eliminate one of the easiest ways for criminals to get guns. No need to make it easy for them and it doesn't infringe on anyone else owning guns.

You are wrong on all counts including what you claim to think I want....I don't mind the current background system at gun stores...it doesn't keep guns out of the hands of criminals and it wrongly stops more law abiding citizens from getting guns than it does criminals...but the gun grabbers wanted it and I will meet them on that point......but again..it does not stop criminals from getting guns and is more likely to stop a law abiding citizen than a criminal.....

What you fail to realize is that anti gun activists don't focus on criminals getting guns...if they did they would push for long prison sentences for criminals using guns in crimes or convicted felons caught in possession of guns...and they don't do that.....they worry more about peaceful, law abiding citizens having access to guns...that is why they focus on background checks, registration and magazine limits...all things the criminals ignore but law abiding citizens obey....

Statistics show that more innocent people are caught up in bad background checks than criminals.....and of those criminals caught by background checks, only a handful are ever brought to trial....so much for background checks....

Background checks if they were actually used would eliminate one of the easiest ways for criminals to get guns.

And in countries that do not allow regular people to own guns....no background checks needed because they can't own guns in the first place, no gun stores.....like the laws of France, Belgium and the other European countries, their criminals get guns when they want or need them easily...again...so much for background checks....just ask the 3 terrorists in France, 2 on government terrorist watch lists and one a convicted felon...they got fully automatic rifles, grenades, full size pistols, and a rocket propelled grenade launcher in a country with extreme gun control laws, they crossed an international border 2 times, to get into another country with extreme gun control laws....and purchased those weapons in a train station...recrossing the international border to reenter France with the extreme gun control laws.....

Background checks if they were actually used would eliminate one of the easiest ways for criminals to get guns.

We currently have background checks for gun sales...and criminals and mass shooters get around them easily...more easily than regular citizens who want to buy the guns legally.....

The woman in New Jersey was killed while she waited for her background check and permitting process to go through...and she was killed with a knife....

You on the other hand just want to wait until they use them, when it's too late.

Waiting until they use them is the only way to stop them.....the "Pre-crime" laws from the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report" cannot, and do not stop gun crime...again...none of the measures the anti gunners support...background checks, gun and owner licensing, gun registration, and magazine limits....none of them stops gun crime before they happen....but that is the focus of anti gunners....

I want real gun control...when a criminal uses a gun for a crime they go away for a long prison sentence...unlike now....focus on that, and you will actually cut down on gun crime...anything else is just meant to infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.....

Keep our current background check system.....forget "universal background checks" because they would be easily avoided by criminals and the only people caught would be people selling guns without knowing about the need for a Universal Background check...

Use actual police work to catch criminals trafficking in illegal guns like they do for illegal drugs...send in cops to gun stores and gun shows to try to buy guns without the current background checks.....let private sellers know the cop "can't pass a background check" and if he continues the sale arrest them....

Have cops try to sell guns at gun shows...and ask people to get a background check...if they say they can't pass, and if they still buy the gun arrest them....

No muss, no fuss, no bothering law abiding citizens...you are then targeting actual criminals...not trying to punish people because they want to own a gun....which is what the anti gunners want...

 

[HappyJoy]

Technically it's background checks on potential gun owners and it's a good idea. It takes literally 5 minutes.

Background checks do not stop any crime....guns are either bought by people who can pass background checks...in 5 minutes...and then passed to criminals, or the guns are stolen.......background checks do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns

So, what you are saying is that criminals should be allowed to purchase guns. Correct? Do you think pedophiles should be allowed to work in day care centers? What is preventing them from doing so now?

......and they didn't stop one mass shooter either...

So, to get this straight. Every law according to you MUST prevent all crimes that it was created to prevent or we toss it out? Kind of an impossible standard.

not the underage kids at columbine or the Navy Yard shooter, the Santa Barbara shooter who went through 3 separate background checks for his 3 guns, the 2 Fort Hood Shooters, the Virginia Tech shooter, the colorado theater shooter.......see the point....?

I'm sure there are a lot of lawfully purchases guns used in horrible crimes. That's really not a positive argument for someone who is pro gun. Are you saying that every gun purchase should require a clean mental health history? Sure sounds like it. I'm only asking for 5 minutes so the everyday/run of the mill criminal can't walk into a Walmart and buy a gun. Of course that would require a real background check system. I as a gun owner would appreciate if the nut jobs had as difficult time as possible trying to get their hands on one.

It is against the law for criminals to purchase guns right now....you realize that...right? and background checks do nothing to stop that...right?

it is against the law. I kind of like the idea of them not being able to easily subvert the law and if it requires me to wait an additional 5 minutes then I'm fine. You on the other hand want criminals to ignore whatever the law is, walk into a gun store and buy whatever they want.

The only gun control that works is when a criminal uses a gun in a crime, you arrest them and lock them up for a long time. This sounds like a common sense idea, but the state and federal government are not locking up gun criminals.....they use guns as a bargaining chip...which is why you see these killers out on the street even though in the news story you will read "Previous weapons violations..."

I think when someone is arrested for any violent crime to include domestic violence then their guns are taken away from them whether they used them in whatever crime they were charged with or not. You on the other hand just want to wait until they use them, when it's too late.

If you really want to stop gun crime you have to focus on criminals, not peaceful, law abiding citizens.

Which is exactly what background checks do.

No...what you need to understand is that background checks do not stop gun crime...at all....what the gun grabbers believe is that background checks stop criminals from getting guns...and that is not true. Now, because criminals still get guns they want "Universal Background checks" which will be bypassed the same ways that the current background checks are bypassed....but....it will trip up regular citizens who don't know the law...which is the real point....they want to make buying a gun legally risky, and inconvenient for normal people....

You can take someone's drivers license away but if they really want to drive they are going to do so, that doesn't mean laws are unnecessary. Background checks if they were actually used would eliminate one of the easiest ways for criminals to get guns. No need to make it easy for them and it doesn't infringe on anyone else owning guns.

You are wrong on all counts including what you claim to think I want....I don't mind the current background system at gun stores...it doesn't keep guns out of the hands of criminals and it wrongly stops more law abiding citizens from getting guns than it does criminals...but the gun grabbers wanted it and I will meet them on that point......but again..it does not stop criminals from getting guns and is more likely to stop a law abiding citizen than a criminal.....

it stops about 70k gun purchases per year mostly due to previous felony convictions. It's only about 1% of all gun sales but that's probably likely due to most people with a criminal conviction won't bother going to a gun store to buy a gun...cuz they shouldn't be able. to.

What you fail to realize is that anti gun activists don't focus on criminals getting guns...if they did they would push for long prison sentences for criminals using guns in crimes or convicted felons caught in possession of guns...and they don't do that.....they worry more about peaceful, law abiding citizens having access to guns...that is why they focus on background checks, registration and magazine limits...all things the criminals ignore but law abiding citizens obey....

Usually using a gun in the act of a crime has higher penalty. What are you talking about? You don't think people who want background checks also want stiffer penalties for people who use guns in a crime? That's an interesting point of view and while you say background checks hurt legal gun owners (at least I think we were saying that earlier) you haven't expanded on that.

Statistics show that more innocent people are caught up in bad background checks than criminals.....and of those criminals caught by background checks, only a handful are ever brought to trial....so much for background checks....

Link?

Background checks if they were actually used would eliminate one of the easiest ways for criminals to get guns.

And in countries that do not allow regular people to own guns....no background checks needed because they can't own guns in the first place, no gun stores.....like the laws of France, Belgium and the other European countries, their criminals get guns when they want or need them easily...again...so much for background checks....just ask the 3 terrorists in France, 2 on government terrorist watch lists and one a convicted felon...they got fully automatic rifles, grenades, full size pistols, and a rocket propelled grenade launcher in a country with extreme gun control laws, they crossed an international border 2 times, to get into another country with extreme gun control laws....and purchased those weapons in a train station...recrossing the international border to reenter France with the extreme gun control laws.....

Fully automatic weapons are mostly illegal here, how many have been used in crimes as compared to semis? I'm not sure what your point is unless you are saying that now all fully automatic weapons should be legal because on occasion they are used in crimes? That's kind of a dumb idea. You seem to think that a law is only successful if it prevents 100% of the crimes it was enacted for. It's a ridiculously impossible standard that no law should ever be put to.

Background checks if they were actually used would eliminate one of the easiest ways for criminals to get guns.

We currently have background checks for gun sales...and criminals and mass shooters get around them easily...more easily than regular citizens who want to buy the guns legally.....

Yes, they do. But why make it easy for them?

The woman in New Jersey was killed while she waited for her background check and permitting process to go through...and she was killed with a knife....

So? You're kind of moving the goal posts, that is a waiting period. I've never had to wait more than 5 minutes to buy a gun. Waiting periods are something else entirely. You should know this.

You on the other hand just want to wait until they use them, when it's too late.

Waiting until they use them is the only way to stop them.....the "Pre-crime" laws from the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report" cannot, and do not stop gun crime...again...none of the measures the anti gunners support...background checks, gun and owner licensing, gun registration, and magazine limits....none of them stops gun crime before they happen....but that is the focus of anti gunners....

I'm sorry, you're talking about a Tom Cruise movie set in the future? I'm saying if someone is convicted of ANY violent crimes then they lose their privilege to own guns. Yes, the cops come to that person's house and confiscates them forever. They are then obviously barred from legally purchasing a gun. You have a problem with that because of a bad movie plot line?

I want real gun control...when a criminal uses a gun for a crime they go away for a long prison sentence...unlike now....focus on that, and you will actually cut down on gun crime...anything else is just meant to infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.....

That kind of already exists. When a gun is used in a crime often times the penalty is increased. I've got no problem with that but I'm also saying they never get to own a gun again and if they try to buy one the legal way they are denied, why won't the NRA let you actually have a common sense opinion?

Keep our current background check system.....forget "universal background checks" because they would be easily avoided by criminals and the only people caught would be people selling guns without knowing about the need for a Universal Background check...

I want background checks in place to quickly review local, state and federal criminal records for all gun purchases. And people selling guns would need to be responsible enough to ensure those checks were in place for all gun sales. It's called taking responsibility, if they fail they lost their right to ever sell guns again. Fuck them.

Use actual police work to catch criminals trafficking in illegal guns like they do for illegal drugs...send in cops to gun stores and gun shows to try to buy guns without the current background checks.....let private sellers know the cop "can't pass a background check" and if he continues the sale arrest them....

"use actual police work...." what? Let's use technology and common sense rather than these stupid talking points. Sure, send cops in under cover to ensure gun sellers are following the law but let's have a system in place to weed out criminals from getting guns.

Have cops try to sell guns at gun shows...and ask people to get a background check...if they say they can't pass, and if they still buy the gun arrest them....

Sure, let's also have them actually perform the background checks when the cop isn't in the room.

No muss, no fuss, no bothering law abiding citizens...you are then targeting actual criminals...not trying to punish people because they want to own a gun....which is what the anti gunners want...

Yeah, through qualified gun checks for all gun sales, it would require an internet connection or a phone call. Get rid of gun check loopholes where people with felony convictions can easily buy guns and prosecute gun sellers who haphazardly give away guns to people who shouldn't have them. Sounds good to me.

 

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Usually using a gun in the act of a crime has higher penalty. What are you talking about? You don't think people who want background checks also want stiffer penalties for people who use guns in a crime? That's an interesting point of view and while you say background checks hurt legal gun owners (at least I think we were saying that earlier) you haven't expanded on that.

CPRC in the Associated Press on background checks - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


But saying that half the denials are later overturned after appeal gives a misleading impression of the number of mistakes that were made by the NICS system. Take the numbers for 2009. There were 71,010 initial denials. Of those, only 4,681, or 6.6 percent, were referred to the BATF field offices for further investigation. As a report on these denials by the U.S. Department of Justice indicates, “The remaining denials (66,329 – 93%) did not meet referral guidelines or were overturned after review by Brady Operations or after the FBI received additional information.”

The last two of these three categories are clearly false positives. The first might involve false positives, but it is possible that the disqualifying offenses are too old (though there are some prosecutions that involve misdemeanor violations that are four decades old so that isn’t too obvious). To put it differently, the initial review didn’t find that these individuals had a record that prevented them from buying a gun. (Numbers for 2010 are available here.)

Still that isn’t the end of the story. Of these 4,681 referrals, over 51 percent, or 2,390 cases, involve “delayed denials,” cases where a check hasn’t even been completed. Of the rest, 2,291 covered cases where initial reviews indicated that the person should have been denied buying a gun. But the government admits that upon further review another 572 of these referrals were found “not [to be] a prohibited person,” leaving about 4,154 cases. That implies an initial false positive rate of roughly 94.2%. And it still doesn’t mean that the government hasn’t made a mistake on the remaining cases. In some cases for example, a person’s criminal record was supposed to be expunged, and it had not been.

 

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Usually using a gun in the act of a crime has higher penalty. What are you talking about? You don't think people who want background checks also want stiffer penalties for people who use guns in a crime? That's an interesting point of view and while you say background checks hurt legal gun owners (at least I think we were saying that earlier) you haven't expanded on that

this isn't true at all...in fact if you look at criminals many of them have weapons convictions that should have kept them in jail but didn't.....these stories are not the exception....

Mandatory sentences not always the case for Minnesota gun crimes

Also..we had three shooters shoot up a park in Evanston last year.....two of the shooters had previous weapons convictions....got 3 year sentences, and were put in a boot camp which reduced their sentence to 18 months....right after they got out they shot up the park.....