Tea Party leaders and Republican leaders are some of the most unpatriotic...

[Sallow]

Tea Party leaders and 2001-Current Republican leaders are some of the most unpatriotic Americans who have ever been in office.

There, I said it.

Instead of reducing the argument down to a simplistic "Republicans are this, Democrats are that" argument, how about we just call out ALL of the Unpatriotic Congresspeople/Presidents and leave the party labels behind.

On 1/1/2012 at 12:00am Barack Obama signed the NDAA 2012 Act (sneaky bastard) which made it legal for him to detain US citizens - who are determined to be "terrorists" - indefinitely. This is blatantly Unconstitutional. He claimed he had "great reservations" about that section but had no choice but to sign to ensure military funding. In June of that year a district judge ruled the indefinite detention clause Unconstitutional (obviously) because as Americans we have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers.

Obama, despite the fact that funding had already been granted by this point, swooped in like a wicked little bird and forced an appeal of the decision. He (basically) said that it is essential that this provision remain in place. I call that about as Unpatriotic as it gets.

Again, lets not try to simplify the argument here; there are many Unpatriotic pieces of sh$t on both sides of the aisle and no one should get a free pass because of some worthless "party" designation. They are meaningless. There are good Republicans just as there are good Democrats.

He could not of done anything else and gotten re-elected.

Not signing the Patriot Act would have branded him a far left ideologue. And the NDAA was a poison pill. Obama was against it, but eventually signed for the very same reason.

 

[Sallow]

but Dean says the left is where all the educated people are.....how can a bunch of uneducated morons be light years ahead?.....

They invest in right-wing media infrastructure, the left does not.

The right completely dominates in every form of media...

- from the O'Reilly Factor and Fox on cable TV
- to Pumpkin-head and Savage on radio
- to Little Green Footballs on the internet​

...the right gets their message out 24/7 on a constant basis.

The left is no where near that. Just look what happened to Air America.

This is one of the things the right could teach the left.

The pathetic part is that you actually believe that tripe. Only recently has fox managed to climb to the top of the ratings charts. Previously, liberal thought was king in virtually ALL of televisions messaging. Now, you only lack a liberal slant over a single channel and you are complaining. You know why fox gets such good ratings? Because there is no competition. They are the SOLE conservative view out there. Radio the conservatives have though liberals are also represented on the radio to a lesser degree than conservatives. Print media is firmly in the liberal’s court and the internet – don’t make me laugh. Liberals have a huge advantage there and always have. The democrats are far better and faster at integrating new tech into their messaging. It likely has something to do with the age disparity that liberals tend to draw – the younger crowd is more liberal than conservative.

No...it's part and parcel with Liberal ideology.

Liberals embrace change.
Conservatives abhor it.

 

[Geaux4it]

Tea Party leaders and 2001-Current Republican leaders are some of the most unpatriotic Americans who have ever been in office.

There, I said it.

Instead of reducing the argument down to a simplistic "Republicans are this, Democrats are that" argument, how about we just call out ALL of the Unpatriotic Congresspeople/Presidents and leave the party labels behind.

On 1/1/2012 at 12:00am Barack Obama signed the NDAA 2012 Act (sneaky bastard) which made it legal for him to detain US citizens - who are determined to be "terrorists" - indefinitely. This is blatantly Unconstitutional. He claimed he had "great reservations" about that section but had no choice but to sign to ensure military funding. In June of that year a district judge ruled the indefinite detention clause Unconstitutional (obviously) because as Americans we have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers.

Obama, despite the fact that funding had already been granted by this point, swooped in like a wicked little bird and forced an appeal of the decision. He (basically) said that it is essential that this provision remain in place. I call that about as Unpatriotic as it gets.

Again, lets not try to simplify the argument here; there are many Unpatriotic pieces of sh$t on both sides of the aisle and no one should get a free pass because of some worthless "party" designation. They are meaningless. There are good Republicans just as there are good Democrats.

Sneaky indeed. Singed it on a Friday night late after the media and everyone else had left for the weekend. Also added that pesky 'in peacetime' clause

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Tea Party leaders and 2001-Current Republican leaders are some of the most unpatriotic Americans who have ever been in office.

There, I said it.

Instead of reducing the argument down to a simplistic "Republicans are this, Democrats are that" argument, how about we just call out ALL of the Unpatriotic Congresspeople/Presidents and leave the party labels behind.

On 1/1/2012 at 12:00am Barack Obama signed the NDAA 2012 Act (sneaky bastard) which made it legal for him to detain US citizens - who are determined to be "terrorists" - indefinitely. This is blatantly Unconstitutional. He claimed he had "great reservations" about that section but had no choice but to sign to ensure military funding. In June of that year a district judge ruled the indefinite detention clause Unconstitutional (obviously) because as Americans we have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers.

Obama, despite the fact that funding had already been granted by this point, swooped in like a wicked little bird and forced an appeal of the decision. He (basically) said that it is essential that this provision remain in place. I call that about as Unpatriotic as it gets.

Again, lets not try to simplify the argument here; there are many Unpatriotic pieces of sh$t on both sides of the aisle and no one should get a free pass because of some worthless "party" designation. They are meaningless. There are good Republicans just as there are good Democrats.

He could not of done anything else and gotten re-elected.

Not signing the Patriot Act would have branded him a far left ideologue. And the NDAA was a poison pill. Obama was against it, but eventually signed for the very same reason.

Obama was not against the NDAA, but rather he supported it as a whole, just had some issues with some of its provisions.

-Geaux

 

[Harry Dresden]

but Dean says the left is where all the educated people are.....how can a bunch of uneducated morons be light years ahead?.....

They invest in right-wing media infrastructure, the left does not.

The right completely dominates in every form of media...

- from the O'Reilly Factor and Fox on cable TV
- to Pumpkin-head and Savage on radio
- to Little Green Footballs on the internet​

...the right gets their message out 24/7 on a constant basis.

The left is no where near that. Just look what happened to Air America.

This is one of the things the right could teach the left.

still.....a bunch of uneducated toothless fucks getting over on a bunch of college educated fucks.....it just doesnt seem possible.....what would Dean say to this?...

 

[Dot Com]

Repubs are against Big Gov't (before & after they engineered it ) People who vote for them do it out of ignorance or willful ignorance.

 

[Wildman]

define "unpatriotic"...

LIBERAL/DEMOCRAT !! ... ... ...

 

[Edgetho]

A lot of partisan bull shit there.

Yeah. Try this the other way around and see how fast it gets moved to the 'Flame Zone'

 

[natstew]

Tea Party leaders and 2001-Current Republican leaders are some of the most unpatriotic Americans who have ever been in office.

There, I said it.

Instead of reducing the argument down to a simplistic "Republicans are this, Democrats are that" argument, how about we just call out ALL of the Unpatriotic Congresspeople/Presidents and leave the party labels behind.

On 1/1/2012 at 12:00am Barack Obama signed the NDAA 2012 Act (sneaky bastard) which made it legal for him to detain US citizens - who are determined to be "terrorists" - indefinitely. This is blatantly Unconstitutional. He claimed he had "great reservations" about that section but had no choice but to sign to ensure military funding. In June of that year a district judge ruled the indefinite detention clause Unconstitutional (obviously) because as Americans we have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers.

Obama, despite the fact that funding had already been granted by this point, swooped in like a wicked little bird and forced an appeal of the decision. He (basically) said that it is essential that this provision remain in place. I call that about as Unpatriotic as it gets.

Again, lets not try to simplify the argument here; there are many Unpatriotic pieces of sh$t on both sides of the aisle and no one should get a free pass because of some worthless "party" designation. They are meaningless. There are good Republicans just as there are good Democrats.

He could not of done anything else and gotten re-elected.

Not signing the Patriot Act would have branded him a far left ideologue. And the NDAA was a poison pill. Obama was against it, but eventually signed for the very same reason.

So you're accusing Obama of selling his soul for political purposes. You're right of course, Obama has no morals, no ethics, no principles, and his policy is whatever furthers his agenda to transfer The United States into some kind of Marxist Socialistic Nation.

That you support him is evidence that you also have no soul, no principles, no morals, and are a slobbering moron!

 

[KevinWestern]

He could not of done anything else and gotten re-elected.

Not signing the Patriot Act would have branded him a far left ideologue. And the NDAA was a poison pill. Obama was against it, but eventually signed for the very same reason.

Hi Sallow, to be honest I actually accepted Obama’s reasoning when he said that he had no choice but to sign to pass essential military funding. That in a way made sense to me at the time. Here’s what he said at the time of signing:

“I have signed the Act chiefly because it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, crucial services for service members and their families”

He also CLEARLY NOTED:

“The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”

Given these statements, why on earth would his administration swoop in to DEFEND its right to hold US Citizens indefinitely when the Constitutionality of the section 1021 was being questioned by Federal District Judge Forrest? The funding was passed, and the only thing that was being questioned was indefinite detention, the same area of the bill that he had earlier expressed “serious reservations” about and specifically said that his Administration would not use because it would “break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation”?

An explanation – from anyone – would be appreciated.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Repubs are against Big Gov't (before & after they engineered it ) People who vote for them do it out of ignorance or willful ignorance.

is that kinda like you voting for Democrats?.....and then saying you dont?....just askin...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Instead of reducing the argument down to a simplistic "Republicans are this, Democrats are that" argument, how about we just call out ALL of the Unpatriotic Congresspeople/Presidents and leave the party labels behind.

On 1/1/2012 at 12:00am Barack Obama signed the NDAA 2012 Act (sneaky bastard) which made it legal for him to detain US citizens - who are determined to be "terrorists" - indefinitely. This is blatantly Unconstitutional. He claimed he had "great reservations" about that section but had no choice but to sign to ensure military funding. In June of that year a district judge ruled the indefinite detention clause Unconstitutional (obviously) because as Americans we have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers.

Obama, despite the fact that funding had already been granted by this point, swooped in like a wicked little bird and forced an appeal of the decision. He (basically) said that it is essential that this provision remain in place. I call that about as Unpatriotic as it gets.

Again, lets not try to simplify the argument here; there are many Unpatriotic pieces of sh$t on both sides of the aisle and no one should get a free pass because of some worthless "party" designation. They are meaningless. There are good Republicans just as there are good Democrats.

He could not of done anything else and gotten re-elected.

Not signing the Patriot Act would have branded him a far left ideologue. And the NDAA was a poison pill. Obama was against it, but eventually signed for the very same reason.

So you're accusing Obama of selling his soul for political purposes. You're right of course, Obama has no morals, no ethics, no principles, and his policy is whatever furthers his agenda to transfer The United States into some kind of Marxist Socialistic Nation.

That you support him is evidence that you also have no soul, no principles, no morals, and are a slobbering moron!

bottom line Obama is a Politician first and foremost.....and a Party guy secondly....

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Repubs are against Big Gov't (before & after they engineered it ) People who vote for them do it out of ignorance or willful ignorance.

Or they want to take the scenic byway on the road to Peonville.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

but Dean says the left is where all the educated people are.....how can a bunch of uneducated morons be light years ahead?.....

They invest in right-wing media infrastructure, the left does not.

The right completely dominates in every form of media...

- from the O'Reilly Factor and Fox on cable TV
- to Pumpkin-head and Savage on radio
- to Little Green Footballs on the internet​

...the right gets their message out 24/7 on a constant basis.

The left is no where near that. Just look what happened to Air America.

This is one of the things the right could teach the left.

Air America crashed and burned because they believed that they could just throw a bunch of other people's money at it and succeed. That and they could not attract flies for an audience.

Sponsors are not too keen on that business model.

 

[The T]

Repubs are against Big Gov't (before & after they engineered it ) People who vote for them do it out of ignorance or willful ignorance.

They engineered it? Really? Try Wilson and the PROGRESSIVES...Progressives...meaning leftists, meaning Communists, Meaning Socialists, Meaning Marxists...Meaning YOUR SIDE there slick.

Get with history, GET with reality.

 

[FJO]

but Dean says the left is where all the educated people are.....how can a bunch of uneducated morons be light years ahead?.....

They invest in right-wing media infrastructure, the left does not.

The right completely dominates in every form of media...

- from the O'Reilly Factor and Fox on cable TV
- to Pumpkin-head and Savage on radio
- to Little Green Footballs on the internet​

...the right gets their message out 24/7 on a constant basis.

The left is no where near that. Just look what happened to Air America.

This is one of the things the right could teach the left.

Air America crashed and burned because they believed that they could just throw a bunch of other people's money at it and succeed. That and they could not attract flies for an audience.
Sponsors are not too keen on that business model.

Actually, Air America COULD and DID attract flies, because all they ever spread was shit, seasoned by copious amounts of hate, lies, venom, poison and malice.

Kind of like MSNBC doing now.

 

[bripat9643]

Tea Party leaders and 2001-Current Republican leaders are some of the most unpatriotic Americans who have ever been in office.

There, I said it.




There is alot of claim about obama and dems being unpatriotic, but lets dissect this a bit.

First up, The Patriot Act and it's predasessors.

Combating Terrorism Act of 2001 - Introduced by Republican Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) with Democratic Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY)

Next, the Public Safety and Cyber Security Enhancement Act - It was introduced by Republican Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX).

Now the Financial Anti-Terrorism Act - It was introduced by Republican Representative Mike Oxley (R-OH)

History of the Patriot Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bill Summary & Status - 107th Congress (2001 - 2002) - S.AMDT.1562 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Bill Text - 107th Congress (2001-2002) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hr3004



Patriot act Yea's/Nay's for the passing of the house on 24 Oct 2001

Republican: Yeas - 211 Nay's - 3

Democrat: Yeas - 145 Nay's - 62


Senate Passed the bill with an overwhelming 99% approval

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote


The bill was signed into Law by Republican George W Bush






Big money and conservative movements

Freedom Partners -

The organization, which has ties with the Koch Brothers,[5] awards grants to advocacy organizations with the goal of raising public awareness about "important societal and economic issues".[3] Freedom Partners gave grants worth a total of $236 million to conservative organizations including Tea Party groups like the Tea Party Patriots and organizations which opposed the Affordable Care Act prior to the 2012 election. A majority of Freedom Partners board is made up of long time employees of the Koch brothers.

Freedom Partners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/u...nt-at-extent-of-koch-brothers-reach.html?_r=0

Koch Brothers Break New Ground in Dark Money - NationalJournal.com

Koch Brothers Respond To Report On Freedom Partners, Their New Political Organization



Mitt Romney Presidential Campaign -

In July 2012, David H. Koch hosted a $50,000-a-person ($75,000 a couple) fundraising dinner for 2012 Republican Party Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, which was the subject of liberal and progressive protests.[15][67][68][69] Koch Industries cited the protests an example of what they see as liberal hypocrisy regarding fundraising as these same groups don't protest big money donations for Democratic fundraisers.[70] William Koch, the younger brother of Charles and David, gave $1 million to Restore Our Future, a super-PAC backing Romney.[15] During the 2008 presidential race, David Koch donated $2,300 to Romney.[15]

Romney's `Koch Problem:' $3 Million - Bloomberg

Protesters raise cloud of sand as Romney raises $3 million in N.Y. - Los Angeles Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/f...n-weekend-in-the-hamptons.html?pagewanted=all

define "unpatriotic"...

Liberal Dictionary:
==========================================
unpatriotic - Opposes the Democrat agenda.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

They invest in right-wing media infrastructure, the left does not.

The right completely dominates in every form of media...

- from the O'Reilly Factor and Fox on cable TV
- to Pumpkin-head and Savage on radio
- to Little Green Footballs on the internet​

...the right gets their message out 24/7 on a constant basis.

The left is no where near that. Just look what happened to Air America.

This is one of the things the right could teach the left.

Air America crashed and burned because they believed that they could just throw a bunch of other people's money at it and succeed. That and they could not attract flies for an audience.
Sponsors are not too keen on that business model.

Actually, Air America COULD and DID attract flies, because all they ever spread was shit, seasoned by copious amounts of hate, lies, venom, poison and malice.

Kind of like MSNBC doing now.

But MSNBC only needs one studio to draw their horrible ratings.

See what I mean, about the fatally flawed business model of Air America?

 

[The T]

Air America crashed and burned because they believed that they could just throw a bunch of other people's money at it and succeed. That and they could not attract flies for an audience.
Sponsors are not too keen on that business model.

Actually, Air America COULD and DID attract flies, because all they ever spread was shit, seasoned by copious amounts of hate, lies, venom, poison and malice.

Kind of like MSNBC doing now.

But MSNBC only needs one studio to draw their horrible ratings.

See what I mean, about the fatally flawed business model of Air America?

Don't you mean ERR Amerika?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Tea Party leaders and 2001-Current Republican leaders are some of the most unpatriotic Americans who have ever been in office.

There, I said it.




There is alot of claim about obama and dems being unpatriotic, but lets dissect this a bit.

First up, The Patriot Act and it's predasessors.

Combating Terrorism Act of 2001 - Introduced by Republican Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) with Democratic Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY)

Next, the Public Safety and Cyber Security Enhancement Act - It was introduced by Republican Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX).

Now the Financial Anti-Terrorism Act - It was introduced by Republican Representative Mike Oxley (R-OH)

History of the Patriot Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bill Summary & Status - 107th Congress (2001 - 2002) - S.AMDT.1562 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Bill Text - 107th Congress (2001-2002) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hr3004



Patriot act Yea's/Nay's for the passing of the house on 24 Oct 2001

Republican: Yeas - 211 Nay's - 3

Democrat: Yeas - 145 Nay's - 62


Senate Passed the bill with an overwhelming 99% approval

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote


The bill was signed into Law by Republican George W Bush






Big money and conservative movements

Freedom Partners -

The organization, which has ties with the Koch Brothers,[5] awards grants to advocacy organizations with the goal of raising public awareness about "important societal and economic issues".[3] Freedom Partners gave grants worth a total of $236 million to conservative organizations including Tea Party groups like the Tea Party Patriots and organizations which opposed the Affordable Care Act prior to the 2012 election. A majority of Freedom Partners board is made up of long time employees of the Koch brothers.

Freedom Partners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/u...nt-at-extent-of-koch-brothers-reach.html?_r=0

Koch Brothers Break New Ground in Dark Money - NationalJournal.com

Koch Brothers Respond To Report On Freedom Partners, Their New Political Organization



Mitt Romney Presidential Campaign -

In July 2012, David H. Koch hosted a $50,000-a-person ($75,000 a couple) fundraising dinner for 2012 Republican Party Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, which was the subject of liberal and progressive protests.[15][67][68][69] Koch Industries cited the protests an example of what they see as liberal hypocrisy regarding fundraising as these same groups don't protest big money donations for Democratic fundraisers.[70] William Koch, the younger brother of Charles and David, gave $1 million to Restore Our Future, a super-PAC backing Romney.[15] During the 2008 presidential race, David Koch donated $2,300 to Romney.[15]

Romney's `Koch Problem:' $3 Million - Bloomberg

Protesters raise cloud of sand as Romney raises $3 million in N.Y. - Los Angeles Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/f...n-weekend-in-the-hamptons.html?pagewanted=all

Actually, you need not so many words. For example, we can use your logic to prove that Obama is the most unpatriotic President to hold office:

Patriot Act Extension Signed By Obama