Syria v Iraq and Bush v Obama on WMD and the Media's Take...

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    Syria regime 'reeling, armed to the teeth' with chemical weapons - Open Channel

    Here's the Scary Headline meant to Rally us FOR doing something about Syria:

    Syria regime 'reeling, armed to the teeth' with chemical weapons

    Seems like a Conclusion Drawn from Fact, doesn't it?...

    From within the Story:

    “No one but the Syrians knows the inventory, and if the rebels overrun one of these depots, there are worries about the physical control of the weapons,”

    So I have some Questions... Because if we pull an Iraq over this the Left is likely to Excuse Obama for it... That's a given.

    Saddam had and used WMD... It's a Fact.

    According to this story only Syria knows about it's WMD... Have they ever killed 10's of thousands with it like Saddam did?

    The UN Documented and Sealed 109 Facilities in Iraq that had Banned Long Range Missiles and Stockpiles of WMD just before our Invasion.

    By the time we were done playing Footsies with the French and the UN, FIVE MONTHS LATER, they were Missing once we go to the Facilities.

    Not "Never Existed"... Missing.

    So why is it that the Liberal "Free Press" is NOT questioning the Validity of this Claim about Syria?...

    The Experts say that only Syria knows.

    It's Obvious why... Obama is President and they Voted for him.

    Wouldn't an Invasion at the End of the Summer give Barry a Good Old Fashioned Boost in the Polls?...

    Hope that's not what happens.

    But right now... That's what this Stinks of.

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    New boss same as the old boss?...
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    After the fall of the House of Assad, could Syria be worse?
    Fri July 27, 2012 - Editor's note: Gen. Michael V. Hayden, who was appointed by President George W. Bush as CIA director in 2006 and served until February 2009, is a principal with the Chertoff Group, a security consulting firm. He serves on the boards of several defense firms and is a distinguished visiting professor at George Mason University. Hayden is an adviser to Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.]
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    U.S. increasing contacts with Syrian rebels
    July 27th, 2012 - The United States has increased contacts with Syrian opposition officials in recent week, a senior U.S. official said Friday.
     
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    Did I post this?...

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    Looks like Assad is on the ropes...
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    Syria's ex-PM Riad Hijab says regime is collapsing
    14 August 2012 : Former Syrian PM Riad Hijab gave a news conference in Amman, Jordan
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    Islamic Bloc Moves to Expel Syria, Leaving Iran Isolated
    August 14, 2012 – A decision by the world’s Islamic nations to expel the Assad regime from its ranks comes as a particular blow to Syria’s closest ally, Iran, and underscores the widening Sunni-Shi’ite rift.
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    Panetta: Syria no-fly zone not on front burner
    August 14, 2012 WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says plans to set up a no-fly zone over parts of Syria are "not on the front burner," despite persistent calls from rebel forces there that they need the added protection from escalating regime airstrikes.
     
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    Gonna be an Interesting couple of months until that Election... :thup:

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    Not givin' `em what they need ain't gonna help...
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    Panetta tries to help secure Sinai with intel aid
    August 20th, 2012 - Looking to increase security in the Sinai Peninsula, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is offering Egypt a package of classified intelligence-sharing capabilities designed to help it identify military threats in the area and reassure Israel that Egypt can deal with rising militancy along Israel's border, according to a senior Pentagon official.
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    Survey: Syrian opposition want 'no-fly' zone
    August 17th, 2012 - Members of the Syrian opposition support international armed intervention in their country, including establishing a "no-fly" zone, humanitarian corridors and training Free Syrian Army fighters, but they do not support an international presence on the ground, a survey showed.
     
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    I see no Reason why the US should help set up a No Fly Zone, or aid in Any Way the Rebels in Syria. Why should we assist in the Creation of what promises to be another Muslim Brother Hood Dominated Country that is not Friendly Towards the US, west and Israel?

    If we could not end up with a Country that is Free, and Not Hostile to the West after 10 years of Nation Building in Iraq, why the hell do we think we can do it by helping one side over throw the Other, when Both sides are Hostile to us, and Frankly not interested in Democracy in Syria? or Egypt, Or Lybia. both sides want different forms of Oppression, I don't see how you help people when you help them over throw a Secular Dictator, for a Handful of Radical Islamic Cleric Dictators.
     
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    Because Obama needs a Distraction from the Economy he didn't "fix" and the Wars he hasn't really "Ended" yet...

    Another War is the Perfect Answer!

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    Stopping the ISIS Chemical Weapons Program
    Saddam's chemical weapons scientists find a new home.
    March 10, 2016
    Joseph Klein
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    ISIS is putting its considerable resources into developing chemical weapons. And they are leveraging the expertise of former Saddam Hussein regime scientists who have joined the ISIS jihadists.

    The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has reportedly confirmed that ISIS fighters have already used chemical weapons in Iraq and Syria, perhaps obtained from stockpiles they took control over in those countries. “It raises the major question of where the sulphur mustard came from,” an OPCW source was quoted by Reuters as saying. “Either they (IS) gained the ability to make it themselves, or it may have come from an undeclared stockpile overtaken by IS. Both are worrying options.”

    In an important counter-strike to thwart ISIS’s ability to develop chemical weapons, U.S. Special Operation Forces have reportedly captured a top man in ISIS's chemical weapons development program. The capture took place last month in northern Iraq, according to two senior Iraqi intelligence officials cited by the Associated Press. U.S. officials have refused to identify the ISIS leader, but the Iraqi officials claimed he was formerly involved in Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons program. Based on information learned from interrogation, unnamed U.S. officials told CNN, the U.S. was able to conduct strikes against ISIS chemical weapons facilities in Iraq.

    According to the CNN report, a “U.S. official said the goal is to locate, target and carry out strikes that will result in the destruction of ISIS's entire chemical weapons enterprise -- mainly mustard agent ISIS produces itself.”

    Defense Secretary Ash Carter was true to his word in his testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee last December, when he said, “This is a no-kidding force that will be doing important things.” But Carter and the military can only go so far as their commander-in-chief lets them. They can only continue doing “important things” if they are not held back by restrictive rules of engagement that could leave ISIS chemical weapons facilities in place for fear of inflicting any civilian casualties in an attack.

    President Obama's belated decision to more aggressively utilize covert Special Forces on the ground to kill high level ISIS personnel, or preferably capture them for interrogation, and to disrupt its critical operations is welcomed. However, the question remains whether he is still too wary of utilizing sufficient means of enhanced interrogation of the captured ISIS personnel involved in WMD programs to learn everything we can that they know. We can only hope that, given the existential stakes in stopping ISIS from deploying weapons of mass destruction, President Obama is now willing to abandon his opposition to using enhanced interrogation techniques on captured jihadists held in secret facilities outside the United States. Perhaps, last month’s capture and useful interrogation of a top man in ISIS's chemical weapons development program is a turning point. It remains to be seen.

    Chemical weapons are not the only WMD threat that ISIS poses. The Associated Press reported last October that ISIS is actively seeking radioactive material in the black market, particularly in Eastern Europe. "In the age of the Islamic State, it's especially terrifying to have real smugglers of nuclear bomb material apparently making connections with real buyers," said Matthew Bunn, a Harvard professor whom the Associated Press described as having studied the security of Russia's nuclear arsenal for the Clinton administration.

    ISIS does not presently have the capability to produce its own nuclear bombs, although it is not out of the realm of possibility. A German journalist Jurgen Todenhofer, who spent time with ISIS fighters in northern Iraq in 2014, wrote “ISIS intends to get its hands on nuclear weapons." He characterized ISIS as a "nuclear tsunami preparing the largest religious cleansing in history."

    Even before ISIS can reach that goal, it can seize or purchase enough radioactive material to produce a dirty bomb. While technically a dirty bomb is a conventional weapon, its effects if exploded in the middle of a densely populated area can be devastating.

    ISIS won’t stop their campaign of death and destruction unless they are destroyed first. Degradation or containment of ISIS are insufficient. As General George Patton famously declared, “There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time.”

    Stopping the ISIS Chemical Weapons Program
     

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