Switching to vehicles powered by electricity from renewables could save lives

[ScienceRocks]

Switching to vehicles powered by electricity from renewables could save lives
2 hours ago

Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent. This finding comes from a new life cycle analysis of conventional and alternative vehicles and their air pollution-related public health impacts, published Monday, Dec. 15, 2014, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The study also shows that switching to vehicles powered by electricity made using natural gas yields large health benefits. Conversely, vehicles running on corn ethanol or vehicles powered by coal-based or "grid average" electricity are worse for health; switching from gasoline to those fuels would increase the number of resulting deaths due to air pollution by 80 percent or more.

"These findings demonstrate the importance of clean electricity, such as from natural gas or renewables, in substantially reducing the negative health impacts of transportation," said Chris Tessum, co-author on the study and a researcher in the Department of Civil, Environmental, and Geo- Engineering in the University of Minnesota's College of Science and Engineering.

A reason to switch to electric is it would save lives. Isn't that reason enough?

 

[Mr. H.]

*groan*

 

[RollingThunder]

*groan*

What happened, Mr. Horse's-ass, did the structure of toothpicks and dryer lint that you've been using for a brain finally colapse under the overload of trying to actually think about the facts in the OP.

 

[Porker]

Sounds like Mr. Al Goreable Warming is now spreading bullshit lies about how polluted the air is, caused by the gasoline engine. If that were the case the AVERAGE HUMAN life cycle in the 19th century wouldn't have been 49 years of age...compared to right now, 78.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/27/business/27leonhardt_sidebar.html?_r=0

Life Expectancy Data By DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: September 27, 2006

For most of human history, the average lifespan was considerably less than 50 years. It began to rise markedly in the 19th century, hitting 49 in the United States in 1900, and then took off in the 20th century.

“Life expectancy increased only very slowly for two millennia,” said Richard Suzman, director of the Social and Behavioral Research Program at the National Institute on Aging, “and then almost doubled since 1800.”

Today, the average baby born in this country will live to 78. The average 35 year old will live to about 80. And the average 65 year old will live past 83.

For detailed data going back to 1900, click here and then go to Table 11, which appears on page 30 of the document.

Just think how the life expectancy would have faired if not for the gasoline engine.

 

[RollingThunder]

Sounds like Mr. Al Goreable Warming is now spreading bullshit lies about how polluted the air is, caused by the gasoline engine. If that were the case the AVERAGE HUMAN life cycle in the 19th century wouldn't have been 49 years of age...compared to right now, 78.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/27/business/27leonhardt_sidebar.html?_r=0

Life Expectancy Data By DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: September 27, 2006

For most of human history, the average lifespan was considerably less than 50 years. It began to rise markedly in the 19th century, hitting 49 in the United States in 1900, and then took off in the 20th century.

“Life expectancy increased only very slowly for two millennia,” said Richard Suzman, director of the Social and Behavioral Research Program at the National Institute on Aging, “and then almost doubled since 1800.”

Today, the average baby born in this country will live to 78. The average 35 year old will live to about 80. And the average 65 year old will live past 83.

For detailed data going back to 1900, click here and then go to Table 11, which appears on page 30 of the document.

Just think how the life expectancy would have faired if not for the gasoline engine.

That is SOOOOO STUPID. Do you really think that the ONLY factor affecting life expectancy is the increase in air pollution? You're such a retard!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Switching to vehicles powered by electricity from renewables could save lives
2 hours ago

Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent. This finding comes from a new life cycle analysis of conventional and alternative vehicles and their air pollution-related public health impacts, published Monday, Dec. 15, 2014, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The study also shows that switching to vehicles powered by electricity made using natural gas yields large health benefits. Conversely, vehicles running on corn ethanol or vehicles powered by coal-based or "grid average" electricity are worse for health; switching from gasoline to those fuels would increase the number of resulting deaths due to air pollution by 80 percent or more.

"These findings demonstrate the importance of clean electricity, such as from natural gas or renewables, in substantially reducing the negative health impacts of transportation," said Chris Tessum, co-author on the study and a researcher in the Department of Civil, Environmental, and Geo- Engineering in the University of Minnesota's College of Science and Engineering.

A reason to switch to electric is it would save lives. Isn't that reason enough?

Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent.

How is the electricity generated? How is it stored until it can charge the car battery?

 

[Stephanie]

I can barely pay my electric bill, how many lives/people you think will die when they can't heat their houses?

 

[Mr. H.]

*groan*

What happened, Mr. Horse's-ass, did the structure of toothpicks and dryer lint that you've been using for a brain finally colapse under the overload of trying to actually think about the facts in the OP.

That's MISTER Mr. Horse's-ass!

The article stresses the importance of electricity generated by, among others, natural gas.

Why generate electricity from natural gas just to charge auto batteries?

Vehicles Natural Gas-Powered Vehicles NGVs

Fuck you, pissant.

 

[Porker]

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That is SOOOOO STUPID. Do you really think that the ONLY factor affecting life expectancy is the increase in air pollution? You're such a retard!

No more STUPID than predicting a 70% decrease in "deaths caused by air pollution by gasoline engines", you dumbass little shit. The ONLY way that would be possible is if they're talking suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning from a hose hooked up to the tailpipe and threaded inside the vehicle. That will no longer be an effective way to commit suicide with electric engines...but maybe you can electrocute yourself.

And that would only be possible if they talking suicide deaths.

 

[Stephanie]

Enviorwackos are never satisfied. We've come a LONG way in decreasing our polluting but then they move the goal post. all in the guise of saving lives. no matter it might just be a couple hundred

I swear. I'm glad I lived in a fairly free country for sixty years. now everyone wants a piece of your life

 

[Old Rocks]

I can barely pay my electric bill, how many lives/people you think will die when they can't heat their houses?

Can barely pay your electrical bill? Ever think of getting a real job?

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

In Texas, Austin Energy signed a deal this spring for 20 years of output from a solar farm at less than 5 cents a kilowatt-hour. In September, the Grand River Dam Authority in Oklahoma announced its approval of a new agreement to buy power from a new wind farm expected to be completed next year. Grand River estimated the deal would save its customers roughly $50 million from the project.

And, also in Oklahoma, American Electric Power ended up tripling the amount of wind power it had originally sought after seeing how low the bids came in last year.

“Wind was on sale — it was a Blue Light Special,” said Jay Godfrey, managing director of renewable energy for the company. He noted that Oklahoma, unlike many states, did not require utilities to buy power from renewable sources.

“We were doing it because it made sense for our ratepayers,” he said.

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

So low end unsubsidized wind is already at about half of what dirty coal is, and only 2/3 the cost of natural gas generation. And solar is within about half a cent of dirty coal, and about a cent more expensive than natural gas. And the price is dropping for solar, even as we post. But, of course, both are intermittant. If we only had a way of storing the electricity.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oncor proposes giant leap for grid batteries Dallas Morning News

In a move that stands to radically shift the dynamics of the industry, Oncor is set to announce Monday that it is prepared to invest more than $2 billion to store electricity in thousands of batteries across North and West Texas beginning in 2018.

Utility-scale batteries have been a holy grail within the energy sector for years. With enough storage space, surplus electricity can be generated at night, when plants usually sit idle, to be used the next day, when demand is highest. Power outages would become less frequent. Wind and solar power, susceptible to weather conditions, could be built on a larger scale. The only problem has been that the price of batteries has been too high to make economic sense. But if they’re purchased on a large enough scale, that won’t be the case for long, said Oncor CEO Bob Shapard.

“Everyone assumed the price point was five to six years out. We’re getting indications from everyone we’ve talked to they can get us to that price by 2018,” he said in an interview Wednesday.

The Dallas-based transmission company is proposing the installation of 5,000 megawatts of batteries not just in its service area but across Texas’ entire grid. That is the equivalent of four nuclear power plants on a grid with a capacity of about 81,000 megawatts.

Ranging from refrigerator- to dumpster-size, the batteries would be installed behind shopping centers and in neighborhoods. Statewide, Oncor estimates a total price tag of $5.2 billion. A study commissioned by Oncor with the Brattle Group, a Massachusetts consulting firm that provides power market analysis for state regulators, says the project would not raise bills. Revenue from rental of storage space on the batteries, along with a decrease in power prices and transmission costs, should actually decrease the average Texas residential power bill 34 cents to $179.66 a month, the report said.

My goodness. All that spending, and it will actually reduce the cost to the customer. And make renewables 24/7. Ain't capitalism wonderful!

 

[RollingThunder]

Switching to vehicles powered by electricity from renewables could save lives
2 hours ago

Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent. This finding comes from a new life cycle analysis of conventional and alternative vehicles and their air pollution-related public health impacts, published Monday, Dec. 15, 2014, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The study also shows that switching to vehicles powered by electricity made using natural gas yields large health benefits. Conversely, vehicles running on corn ethanol or vehicles powered by coal-based or "grid average" electricity are worse for health; switching from gasoline to those fuels would increase the number of resulting deaths due to air pollution by 80 percent or more.

"These findings demonstrate the importance of clean electricity, such as from natural gas or renewables, in substantially reducing the negative health impacts of transportation," said Chris Tessum, co-author on the study and a researcher in the Department of Civil, Environmental, and Geo- Engineering in the University of Minnesota's College of Science and Engineering."

A reason to switch to electric is it would save lives. Isn't that reason enough?

"Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent."

How is the electricity generated?

Well, ToadtheParrot, that is a really good way to maintain your reputation for being a complete idiot.

The statement: "vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy" doesn't give you even a hint as to how the electricity is generated? LOLOL.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Switching to vehicles powered by electricity from renewables could save lives
2 hours ago

Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent. This finding comes from a new life cycle analysis of conventional and alternative vehicles and their air pollution-related public health impacts, published Monday, Dec. 15, 2014, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The study also shows that switching to vehicles powered by electricity made using natural gas yields large health benefits. Conversely, vehicles running on corn ethanol or vehicles powered by coal-based or "grid average" electricity are worse for health; switching from gasoline to those fuels would increase the number of resulting deaths due to air pollution by 80 percent or more.

"These findings demonstrate the importance of clean electricity, such as from natural gas or renewables, in substantially reducing the negative health impacts of transportation," said Chris Tessum, co-author on the study and a researcher in the Department of Civil, Environmental, and Geo- Engineering in the University of Minnesota's College of Science and Engineering.

A reason to switch to electric is it would save lives. Isn't that reason enough?

"Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent."

How is the electricity generated?

Well, ToadtheParrot, that is a really good way to maintain your reputation for being a complete idiot.

The statement: "vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy" doesn't give you even a hint? LOLOL.

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Hey, asshole, which renewable source? Solar, wind, methane from landfills, switchgrass, hydro, tidal, greenies riding exercise bicycles? Some other expensive, unreliable source? Be specific.
How is it stored until it can charge the car battery?

I know you're an idiot, but answer the questions so we can discuss if it would really work, instead of just make idiots like you feel good about themselves.

 

[Old Rocks]

Post # 12, post # 13

 

[RollingThunder]

Switching to vehicles powered by electricity from renewables could save lives
2 hours ago

Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent. This finding comes from a new life cycle analysis of conventional and alternative vehicles and their air pollution-related public health impacts, published Monday, Dec. 15, 2014, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The study also shows that switching to vehicles powered by electricity made using natural gas yields large health benefits. Conversely, vehicles running on corn ethanol or vehicles powered by coal-based or "grid average" electricity are worse for health; switching from gasoline to those fuels would increase the number of resulting deaths due to air pollution by 80 percent or more.

"These findings demonstrate the importance of clean electricity, such as from natural gas or renewables, in substantially reducing the negative health impacts of transportation," said Chris Tessum, co-author on the study and a researcher in the Department of Civil, Environmental, and Geo- Engineering in the University of Minnesota's College of Science and Engineering.

A reason to switch to electric is it would save lives. Isn't that reason enough?

"Driving vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy instead of gasoline could reduce the resulting deaths due to air pollution by 70 percent."

How is the electricity generated?

Well, ToadtheParrot, that is a really good way to maintain your reputation for being a complete idiot.

The statement: "vehicles that use electricity from renewable energy" doesn't give you even a hint? LOLOL.

Hey, asshole, which renewable source? Solar, wind, methane from landfills, switchgrass, hydro, tidal, greenies riding exercise bicycles? Some other expensive, unreliable source? Be specific.

What difference does it make, retard? If the energy that is coming down through the grid and charging your car comes from a renewable, non-carbon-emitting source, what difference does it make exactly which source, that is in any way relevant to the topic of the OP and the elimination of the tailpipe exhaust gases that cause smog and pollute our air in the cities and cause the health problems referred to in the OP?

How is it stored until it can charge the car battery?

The electricity coming off the grid right now is not currently being stored, but that is changing fast as the utilities rush to utilize the new battery storage developments that are coming on the market to store the energy from the intermittent sources like solar and wind that now just tend to compliment each other - solar during the day and wind at night when the winds blow stronger.

Like the good little denier cult parrot that you are, you will probably try to claim that the OP is bogus because the intermittency of solar and wind sometimes currently results in the need for gas powered 'peaker plants' to kick in to maintain the grid levels, so not all of the juice for the EVs is totally 'clean', but of course you will ignore the part of the OP where they state: "the study also shows that switching to vehicles powered by electricity made using natural gas yields large health benefits."

In fact, the trend more and more now, in the more advanced places, is to try, whenever possible, to integrate a rooftop solar system and home battery storage system into EV ownership so that you directly charge your own vehicles from the sun, entirely independent of the sources of the grid power. This is going to get much cheaper soon when the Tesla battery gigafactory in Nevada gets into production.

I know you're an idiot, but answer the questions so we can discuss if it would really work, instead of just make idiots like you feel good about themselves.

LOLOL. Let's see....electric vehicles = zero vehicle emissions.....while regular IC engine vehicles emit not just carbon dioxide, which is contributing to global warming, but also, collectively, hefty amounts of unburned hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxide, formaldehyde, sulfur dioxide, and floating particulate matter, and they emit these dangerous pollutants in the cities and everywhere else that people are concentrated and have to breathe that crap (seen a picture of Beijing recently?)....so only a real idiot like you, Toad, could possibly imagine that eliminating the tailpipe emissions of the internal combustion vehicles "wouldn't really work" in reducing the sickness and mortality associated with all of the smog from the gas guzzlers.

 

[Mr. H.]

What difference does it make...

*tee hee*

 

[skookerasbil]

some touching sentiments in here.......but not gonna happen for decades.


None..........not one of these EV fantasy people EVER, EVER thinks that costs have anything to do with this!! Its fucking fascinating!! These people need their own planet to try some of these nutty-ass ideas out.........and they can come back and report in 100 years!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

What difference does it make...

*tee hee*

So you're stumped by that question too, eh Mr. Horse's-ass?

Good to note that your posts are still completely vacuous and without substance. At least you're consistent in your insanity.