Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers

[chanel]

The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of an Arizona school voucher program that critics say improperly directs taxpayer funds to religious schools.

Monday's 5-4 ruling expands long-standing court precedents that citizens don't have standing to legally challenge taxes they don't like simply because they're taxpayers.

The minority on the court maintained that since the case involved claims of a violation of religious freedoms, that the Arizona plaintiffs didn't need to demonstrate a specific personal injury.

The decision, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy and joined by the court's more conservative members, preserves Arizona's school voucher program that is funded by tax credits offered to state taxpayers. Most of the students who use the voucher money attend religious schools.

Read more: Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers - FoxNews.com

Well I guess that settles that argument eh?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of an Arizona school voucher program that critics say improperly directs taxpayer funds to religious schools.

Monday's 5-4 ruling expands long-standing court precedents that citizens don't have standing to legally challenge taxes they don't like simply because they're taxpayers.

The minority on the court maintained that since the case involved claims of a violation of religious freedoms, that the Arizona plaintiffs didn't need to demonstrate a specific personal injury.

The decision, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy and joined by the court's more conservative members, preserves Arizona's school voucher program that is funded by tax credits offered to state taxpayers. Most of the students who use the voucher money attend religious schools.

Read more: Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers - FoxNews.com

Well I guess that settles that argument eh?

Not even. Haven't you been here long enough to know that when a Liberal Court does what Liberals want it is settled, when a Conservative Court does something Liberals don't want it is bad law and should be over turned or revoted on as soon as the Court changes hands?

 

[chanel]

Oops my bad. Lol

 

[xsited1]

The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of an Arizona school voucher program that critics say improperly directs taxpayer funds to religious schools.

Monday's 5-4 ruling expands long-standing court precedents that citizens don't have standing to legally challenge taxes they don't like simply because they're taxpayers.

The minority on the court maintained that since the case involved claims of a violation of religious freedoms, that the Arizona plaintiffs didn't need to demonstrate a specific personal injury.

The decision, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy and joined by the court's more conservative members, preserves Arizona's school voucher program that is funded by tax credits offered to state taxpayers. Most of the students who use the voucher money attend religious schools.

Read more: Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers - FoxNews.com

Well I guess that settles that argument eh?

I'd just like to have the option to 'opt-out' of the Public School system and my taxes reduced accordingly. I'm leery of school voucher programs because it can give the government more control over private schools. Furthermore (and most importantly to me), I don't want the government to be able to tell a private school who they accept as students.

 

[ogibillm]

certainly an interesting decision...

doesn't seem to hold with precedent and the court seems to be making a distinction without a real difference but i'm sure there will be some other means of challenge to the program.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of an Arizona school voucher program that critics say improperly directs taxpayer funds to religious schools.

Monday's 5-4 ruling expands long-standing court precedents that citizens don't have standing to legally challenge taxes they don't like simply because they're taxpayers.

The minority on the court maintained that since the case involved claims of a violation of religious freedoms, that the Arizona plaintiffs didn't need to demonstrate a specific personal injury.

The decision, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy and joined by the court's more conservative members, preserves Arizona's school voucher program that is funded by tax credits offered to state taxpayers. Most of the students who use the voucher money attend religious schools.

Read more: Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers - FoxNews.com

Well I guess that settles that argument eh?

I'd just like to have the option to 'opt-out' of the Public School system and my taxes reduced accordingly. I'm leery of school voucher programs because it can give the government more control over private schools. Furthermore (and most importantly to me), I don't want the government to be able to tell a private school who they accept as students.

So, you're okay if a private school denies a child entry based on the child's race or ethnicity? If true, does that make you a conservative or a bigot or both?

 

[jillian]

yeah... screw the first amendment.

 

[jillian]

certainly an interesting decision...

doesn't seem to hold with precedent and the court seems to be making a distinction without a real difference but i'm sure there will be some other means of challenge to the program.

of course it doesn't hold with precedent. the rightwingnut hacks of the scalia wing of the court don't understand what precedent is.

they're allergic to stare decisis.

and no... there's no way to challenge that other than by the local legislature acting.


which means the rabid religious right got one.

they must be so proud. now they can teach creationism on the taxpayer dime.

 

[xsited1]

Well I guess that settles that argument eh?

I'd just like to have the option to 'opt-out' of the Public School system and my taxes reduced accordingly. I'm leery of school voucher programs because it can give the government more control over private schools. Furthermore (and most importantly to me), I don't want the government to be able to tell a private school who they accept as students.

So, you're okay if a private school denies a child entry based on the child's race or ethnicity? If true, does that make you a conservative or a bigot or both?

Oh brother. Always taking it to the extreme. What a ridiculous post. You sound like a closet racist.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I'm leery of school voucher programs because it can give the government more control over private schools.

Same here.

 

[Trajan]

yeah... screw the first amendment.

how do you see this as a 'screwing' of the first amendment?

 

[Dr.House]

I'd just like to have the option to 'opt-out' of the Public School system and my taxes reduced accordingly. I'm leery of school voucher programs because it can give the government more control over private schools. Furthermore (and most importantly to me), I don't want the government to be able to tell a private school who they accept as students.

So, you're okay if a private school denies a child entry based on the child's race or ethnicity? If true, does that make you a conservative or a bigot or both?

Oh brother. Always taking it to the extreme. What a ridiculous post. You sound like a closet racist.

He loves to play the role of Captain Hyperbole...

 

[Trajan]

I'm leery of school voucher programs because it can give the government more control over private schools.

Same here.

I am not sure you 2.............how do you see that playing out? The choice of the parent, other than the size of the tax credit is in no way indicative of where and even if the parents choose to exercise the option. *shrugs*.....I don't see any control to be had, as to the school, which really is the last partner in this as an issue..

 

[jillian]

yeah... screw the first amendment.

how do you see this as a 'screwing' of the first amendment?

what types of schools do you think government money will fund?

parochial schools...

thanks, but i prefer not paying for people's indoctrination of their children and i don't want them trying to indoctrinate mine. I particularly don't want them sucking the money out of the public school system to enrich parochial schools.

everyone should pay for religion on their own dime... not mine.

it's that whole state-supported religion thing.

 

[Trajan]

certainly an interesting decision...

doesn't seem to hold with precedent and the court seems to be making a distinction without a real difference but i'm sure there will be some other means of challenge to the program.

of course it doesn't hold with precedent. the rightwingnut hacks of the scalia wing of the court don't understand what precedent is.

they're allergic to stare decisis.

and no... there's no way to challenge that other than by the local legislature acting.


which means the rabid religious right got one.

they must be so proud. now they can teach creationism on the taxpayer dime.

being a warren court advocate I can see how not abasing itself before stare decisis may irk you, that being said, how say, did you feel about Brown then?



how did the rabid religious right get one?


if these parents sent their children to secular private schools, this decision would then be okay by you?

 

[martybegan]

yeah... screw the first amendment.

how do you see this as a 'screwing' of the first amendment?

what types of schools do you think government money will fund?

parochial schools...

thanks, but i prefer not paying for people's indoctrination of their children and i don't want them trying to indoctrinate mine. I particularly don't want them sucking the money out of the public school system to enrich parochial schools.

everyone should pay for religion on their own dime... not mine.

it's that whole state-supported religion thing.

By the other side of the coin what if I do not feel like paying for someone else's children to be educated in a public school? I can just as easily say everyone should pay for education on thier own dime, not mine.

Having the state pay for a portion of a person's education via a voucher is in no way an endorsement of a religion, as long as the state requires the same educational standards across the board, regardless of the eventual recipient of said funds.

 

[Trajan]

yeah... screw the first amendment.

how do you see this as a 'screwing' of the first amendment?

what types of schools do you think government money will fund?

parochial schools...

thanks, but i prefer not paying for people's indoctrination of their children and i don't want them trying to indoctrinate mine. I particularly don't want them sucking the money out of the public school system to enrich parochial schools.

everyone should pay for religion on their own dime... not mine.

it's that whole state-supported religion thing.

its a tax credit.

 

[xsited1]

I'm leery of school voucher programs because it can give the government more control over private schools.

Same here.

I am not sure you 2.............how do you see that playing out? The choice of the parent, other than the size of the tax credit is in no way indicative of where and even if the parents choose to exercise the option. *shrugs*.....I don't see any control to be had, as to the school, which really is the last partner in this as an issue..

I hope you're right. I just know that when the government gets a foothold into something, things turn to crap really fast.

 

[martybegan]

Same here.

I am not sure you 2.............how do you see that playing out? The choice of the parent, other than the size of the tax credit is in no way indicative of where and even if the parents choose to exercise the option. *shrugs*.....I don't see any control to be had, as to the school, which really is the last partner in this as an issue..

I hope you're right. I just know that when the government gets a foothold into something, things turn to crap really fast.

The worst they could do is not certify a school to be eligible for the credit. This should only be for academic purposes, but it could be used to exclude religous/moral views that the government finds objectionable.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

I'd just like to have the option to 'opt-out' of the Public School system and my taxes reduced accordingly.

By the other side of the coin what if I do not feel like paying for someone else's children to be educated in a public school? I can just as easily say everyone should pay for education on thier own dime, not mine.

The reality of a public education system is that it is a public good, like national defence, that serves to benefit everyone. You benefit by having a relatively educated work force that provides you goods and services you couldnt or dont want to do. Our public education provides most people with a basis to develop skill sets in whatever area. While I support states who decide to have school voucher programs for parents with kids in private schools, I dont support any idea that you could opt out of paying for public schools.

Also, most state constitutions mandate that states provide free education to school aged kids, essentially making education a right.