Supreme Court fails to correct Fourth Circuit's imposition of Islam

[Ringtone]

Nonsense theory. Religion probably cannot and will not be eliminated from humanity, culture, and history, and I didn't imply that. People's belief systems are here to stay, most likely. But the term "religion" is generic, and you appear to be arguing that the curriculum must be tailored to your particular choice from among the many religions practiced in this world and to your particular choice from among the many variations of Christianity.

Our children's curriculum is predicated on biblical Christianity just as it is in many parochial schools. It's the foundation of all wisdom. It informs all that we teach our children, including math, science, history. . . .

You're just not a very bright bulb, Lysistrata, and like all dull bulbs, you lack self-awareness, insight and empathy.

News flash: your religion is materialism/ontological naturalism and all the dogma that comes with it. If you want to indoctrinate your children accordingly, do so at home or a private school of your choice. Do so on your own time and dime.

Mind your own rule, hypocrite, and get your religion out of the state schools.

 

[JoeB131]

I have a lovely picture of Coulter and myself chatting.....if it irritates you enough I may post it....

and the whole time, she was hoping for the day you get sent back.... sorry.

Why do you feel the need to ingratiate yourself with racists? Did you get one of those Eye-rounding surgeries? well, it would explain the sunglasses.

 

[Ringtone]

First you'll get no argument from me about the NEA; that's why I don't belong. Second, your teacher stories here are anecdotal. You know we live in a vast, very diverse nation. The little elementary school in Littletown, Nebraska looks nothing like the schools in NYC or Berkeley, CA. It would be ridiculous to think they do.

The underlying worldview of every school district in every major metropolis area across this country is that of secular humanism by default. The political left overwhelmingly controls the bulk of the state schools. That's the reality.

This is not an apology of this particular speaker's methodology. The lesson here goes to the student's reaction.



Behold the barbarians being cranked out by the state schools. Note the mindless declarations of relativism. Note the gibberish about the messenger's rights. Note the vulgar, foul-mouthed political correctness. Note the threatening tone, the viciousness, the bile.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

First you imply that religion can be sensibly eliminated from education, which is to say that it can be sensibly eliminated from humanity, from culture and, thus, from history.

See what a fraud this idiot Ringtone is? Not worth the trouble....

 

[Ringtone]

I already said that depends on a lot of other factors. He has a propensity toward math and enjoys it--there's your "other factor". You can stuff a mind with no propensity and no enjoyment full of "knowledge" and they still won't get to creative problem solving.

This is the problem with educating ONE child and believing it can be extrapolated to education in general. It can't and never will be.

I don't see why our system wouldn't work for any student of normal or above average intelligence, whatever the subject or whatever the student's propensities might be. Our little girl of four does first-grade-level math, though, admittedly, she's not advancing as quickly as my son. She loves to read and draw. But, then, my son is advancing faster than his parents did too. Assuming he's as gifted as we think, I'm going to need a tutor for him eventually. I'm a fair hand at mathematics up to intermediate trigonometry, geometry and calculus. Much beyond that point, aside from the calculus of infinitesimals, one might as well be speaking Chinese to me. I shall be able to hang with him a bit longer in algebra.

 

[Ringtone]

Coulter does have an eerie habit of hitting the nail squarely on the head. As I read that, Elizabeth Warren, among a few others, immediately came to mind.

Have you seen this?

"If it's Donald Trump vs. Elizabeth Warren, his stronger base could be the key to victory"
Opinion | If it's Trump vs. Warren, his stronger base could be the key to victory


or this....


"Krystal Ball: Democrats on track to nominate Warren, lose to Trump"
Krystal Ball: Democrats on track to nominate Warren, lose to Trump

I actually read the first two days ago, but not the other.

The thing about Warren is that she's a fraud, and the thing about Trump and Sanders voters is that they don't like frauds. Sanders voters are either as nutty and angry as he or disgusted with the phoniness of those politicians perceived to be of the Party's establishment. If Warren is the nominee, Trumps wins handily.

They are fearful of a 49 state landslide if they nominate a radical.

For sure. Sanders can't win either . . . in spite of the fact that he's a sincere wack job.

I'm only gonna agree if "a sincere wack job" = "dedicated Marxist"

The point I'm getting at is that Sanders is not pretending to be something he's not. A lot of Sanders' supporters will either stay home or defect to Trump if the Democratic Party runs Warren, as Warren is whatever she thinks the progressives of her party want, and they know it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Have you seen this?

"If it's Donald Trump vs. Elizabeth Warren, his stronger base could be the key to victory"
Opinion | If it's Trump vs. Warren, his stronger base could be the key to victory


or this....


"Krystal Ball: Democrats on track to nominate Warren, lose to Trump"
Krystal Ball: Democrats on track to nominate Warren, lose to Trump

I actually read the first two days ago, but not the other.

The thing about Warren is that she's a fraud, and the thing about Trump and Sanders voters is that they don't like frauds. Sanders voters are either as nutty and angry as he or disgusted with the phoniness of those politicians perceived to be of the Party's establishment. If Warren is the nominee, Trumps wins handily.

They are fearful of a 49 state landslide if they nominate a radical.

For sure. Sanders can't win either . . . in spite of the fact that he's a sincere wack job.

I'm only gonna agree if "a sincere wack job" = "dedicated Marxist"

The point I'm getting at is that Sanders is not pretending to be something he's not. A lot of Sanders' supporters will either stay home or defect to Trump if the Democratic Party runs Warren, as Warren is whatever she thinks the progressives of her party want, and they know it.

Well....he uses 'Democratic Socialist' when he means Bolshevik Marxist.

 

[BreezeWood]

Nonsense theory. Religion probably cannot and will not be eliminated from humanity, culture, and history, and I didn't imply that. People's belief systems are here to stay, most likely. But the term "religion" is generic, and you appear to be arguing that the curriculum must be tailored to your particular choice from among the many religions practiced in this world and to your particular choice from among the many variations of Christianity.

Our children's curriculum is predicated on biblical Christianity just as it is in many parochial schools. It's the foundation of all wisdom. It informs all that we teach our children, including math, science, history. . . .

You're just not a very bright bulb, Lysistrata, and like all dull bulbs, you lack self-awareness, insight and empathy.

News flash: your religion is materialism/ontological naturalism and all the dogma that comes with it. If you want to indoctrinate your children accordingly, do so at home or a private school of your choice. Do so on your own time and dime.

Mind your own rule, hypocrite, and get your religion out of the state schools.

.

Our children's curriculum is predicated on biblical Christianity just as it is in many parochial schools. It's the foundation of all wisdom.

- you teach your children they are hopeless sinners, how is that not all parochial schools. your foundation is pipeclay.

 

[Ringtone]

Well....he uses 'Democratic Socialist' when he means Bolshevik Marxist.

Oh, I didn't say he isn't above manipulation. Ultimately, he's an evil SOB, a murderous little creep. I'm talking about the politics of perception. You and I deal with facts and the realities of human nature. The lemmings can't spot the subtleties of Bernie's spin because they've been brainwashed and dumbed down by the state schools and popular culture; nevertheless, even many of the lemmings can see that Warren et. al are frauds, i.e., merely playing to what they think young Democratic voters want to here. Do you see what I'm getting at?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well....he uses 'Democratic Socialist' when he means Bolshevik Marxist.

Oh, I didn't say he isn't above manipulation. Ultimately, he's an evil SOB, a murderous little creep. I'm talking about the politics of perception. You and I deal with facts and the realities of human nature. The lemmings can't spot the subtleties of Bernie's spin because they've been brainwashed and dumbed down by the state schools and popular culture; nevertheless, even many of the lemmings can see that Warren et. al are frauds, i.e., merely playing to what they think young Democratic voters want to here. Do you see what I'm getting at?

And some people just want everyone to have healthcare and education that doesn't bankrupt them, you presumptuous, morally parsimonious little creep.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well....he uses 'Democratic Socialist' when he means Bolshevik Marxist.

Oh, I didn't say he isn't above manipulation. Ultimately, he's an evil SOB, a murderous little creep. I'm talking about the politics of perception. You and I deal with facts and the realities of human nature. The lemmings can't spot the subtleties of Bernie's spin because they've been brainwashed and dumbed down by the state schools and popular culture; nevertheless, even many of the lemmings can see that Warren et. al are frauds, i.e., merely playing to what they think young Democratic voters want to here. Do you see what I'm getting at?

And some people just want everyone to have healthcare and education that doesn't bankrupt them, you presumptuous, morally parsimonious little creep.

.
which one of those two is lower than the other is a coin toss ...

 

[SweetSue92]

First you'll get no argument from me about the NEA; that's why I don't belong. Second, your teacher stories here are anecdotal. You know we live in a vast, very diverse nation. The little elementary school in Littletown, Nebraska looks nothing like the schools in NYC or Berkeley, CA. It would be ridiculous to think they do.

The underlying worldview of every school district in every major metropolis area across this country is that of secular humanism by default. The political left overwhelmingly controls the bulk of the state schools. That's the reality.

This is not an apology of this particular speaker's methodology. The lesson here goes to the student's reaction.



Behold the barbarians being cranked out by the state schools. Note the mindless declarations of relativism. Note the gibberish about the messenger's rights. Note the vulgar, foul-mouthed political correctness. Note the threatening tone, the viciousness, the bile.

Those are talking points.

Do better

 

[SweetSue92]

Excellent teachers love learning, care deeply about student learning and will, over time, show that their students' learn. I agree with you there. The dispute comes in how you define and demonstrate that learning. You cannot hold teachers accountable for that which they cannot control. Students who live in traumatic situations are just not going to learn as much, as fast, as students who do not. This is not opinion; it is brain chemistry. You cannot hold teachers accountable for brain chemistry. Here is just one of many articles which explains this altered brain chemistry:

Stress and the Developing Brain

Learning can absolutely be measured by objective measures. Those measures are very rarely bubble tests for any of us. Most people who love bubble tests are either politicians or real estate agents. Bubble tests are for school only; they have little to no application in the "real world". Applying knowledge, with creativity, in the "real world" is exactly why China is attempting to move AWAY from standardized tests:

The Chinese Curse. Is America Next? - THE DAILY RIFF - Be Smarter. About Education.

"You cannot hold teachers accountable for that which they cannot control."

I haven't made it so succinctly, but that is exactly my message, time and again.

It is the Liberal control of the system that is responsible for both the aim at indoctrination, and at the lack of real education.


1. Control is by those who follow the communist John Dewey and the communist Paulo Freire, who never intends “pedagogy” to refer to any method of classroom instruction based on analysis and research, or to any means of producing higher academic achievement for students. [H]e relies on Marx’s standard formulation that “the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat [and] this dictatorship only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.” In one footnote, however, Freire does mention a society that has actually realized the “permanent liberation” he seeks: it “appears to be the fundamental aspect of Mao’s Cultural Revolution.”


2. The “Massachusetts miracle,” in which Bay State students’ soaring test scores broke records, was the direct consequence of the state legislature’s passage of the 1993 Education Reform Act, which established knowledge-based standards for all grades and a rigorous testing system linked to the new standards. And those standards, Massachusetts reformers have acknowledged, are Hirsch’s legacy.

In the new millennium, Massachusetts students have surged upward on the biennial National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)—“the nation’s report card,” as education scholars call it. On the 2005 NAEP tests, Massachusetts ranked first in the nation in fourth- and eighth-grade reading and fourth- and eighth-grade math. It then repeated the feat in 2007. No state had ever scored first in both grades and both subjects in a single year—let alone for two consecutive test cycles. On another reliable test, the Trends in International Math and Science Studies, the state’s fourth-graders last year ranked second globally in science and third in math, while the eighth-graders tied for first in science and placed sixth in math. (States can volunteer, as Massachusetts did, to have their students compared with national averages.) The United States as a whole finished tenth. E. D. Hirsch’s Curriculum for Democracy

I think you are seeing the whole of American education through some strange lens that is Brooklyn or Queens or whatever uber-liberal NY lens you live in. It is absolutely true that some areas of the US have been entirely given over to the worst of "liberal indoctrination".

It is also true that--thank GOD--NY is not America. In fact, I have been to over half of US states and NY is the ONLY US city so far I never, ever want to visit again. I barely recognized my country there. Sadly.

As to your article there: as usual a very good read, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Students, especially young children, cannot discover "knowledge" if they are ignorant, generally. I don't mean "ignorant" as a slam, btw, I mean they must be taught basic knowledge, skills and facts. I have no problem with this. At the same time, simply drilling them on these all the livelong day is a waste of their human potential. They must also then learn to APPLY what they have learned in the real world. To create, problem solve, etc. So really a balanced view is best--the "sage on the stage" teaches, and when the students have gained necessary knowledge and skills, "the guide on the side" is there to advise.

It's nation-wide.



1. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."

Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal



2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists


"School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
The mother of an eight-year-old wants to know why a Tennessee school teacher gave her child a handout from the Nation of Islam that portrayed the presidents on Mount Rushmore as being racists.

Sommer Bauer tells me her son was given The Nation of Islam handout at Harold McCormick Elementary School in Elizabethton. The handout asked “What does it take to be on Mount Rushmore?"

The handout then explains that George Washington hailed from Virginia, a “prime breeder of black people.” Of Theodore Roosevelt, it was alleged he called Africans “ape-like.” There were also disparaging remarks made of Thomas Jefferson (he enslaved 200 Africans) and Abraham Lincoln.

The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.


“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”


So what’s the bottom line?

“We had a teacher who apparently never looked at something, never read something, before it was distributed to a class of third graders,” West said. “In addition, she warned the students not to take it home.”

That does seem a bit odd.

I’ve interviewed Sommer at least a half dozen times. Her story has remained consistent. The teacher gave Sommer two explanations for what happened in the classroom. The superintendent gave me a third.

I find it hard to believe an 8-year-old boy would steal a handout from a teacher’s desk, bring it home and then concoct an elaborate tale to cover up the crime."



3. "...many parents of children in public schools are deeply concerned, wondering if they should keep their kids in public school or just get out now.

For these parents, the transgender agenda is the game-changer. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.


...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.


...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.

....“political scientists and foreign policy experts have used the term deep state for years to describe individuals and institutions who exercise power independent of—and sometimes over—civilian political leaders.” In public education, the “deep state” describes a coalition of various groups – including teachers’ unions, progressive advocacy groups, major corporations, and philanthropists --that work together to promote the progressive worldview..."
America’s Public Education System: The Ultimate Deep State




4. The National Education Association approved a new "business item" expressing support for abortion access during its annual conference in Houston.

"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."

The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.


NEA's 2019 adopted New Business Items (NBIs) reveal what savvy teachers have known for decades: state and national teachers' unions are essentially the political action committee of the Far-Left,"
Largest U.S. Teachers' Union Endorses Abortion




5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The

Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was

put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.







6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”

Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.

As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.

The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.

Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.

Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.

The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.

The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.

The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?

On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.

One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.

Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.

Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.

Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.

…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.

“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.

Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.

Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.

At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.


NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike



7. “Fifth-grade teacher defends wearing 'Columbus was a murderer' shirt to school” Fifth-grade teacher defends wearing ‘Columbus was a murderer’ shirt to school




There is no hope for America unless the occupation of the school system by Liberals is over turned.

First you'll get no argument from me about the NEA; that's why I don't belong. Second, your teacher stories here are anecdotal. You know we live in a vast, very diverse nation. The little elementary school in Littletown, Nebraska looks nothing like the schools in NYC or Berkeley, CA. It would be ridiculous to think they do.

They are from all across the country.


Open your eyes: the teaching profession has moved away from you, as the Democrat Party has moved from America.

Eh, they're talking points. Conservatives have a nugget of truth about teachers and schools and then get totally overblown with it in the very same way Leftists go on about cops.

No, stop and really think about that.

When you all go glossy eyed about how all schools are Leftist Indoctrination Centers, you sound to me exactly like Leftists sound when they go on about all cops being racist haters who are out to shoot blacks. It's irrational. It's fundamentally irrational. I cannot convince you with my experience INSIDE the system for 25 years nor even my very own self. Again, you take nuggets and anecdotes and paint an entire system, mostly for your own personal gain, to convince yourself that your own choice is correct. (homeschooling). This is what Leftists do, again, with police officers. Have at it, but I can't reason with it.

 

[Lysistrata]

Nonsense theory. Religion probably cannot and will not be eliminated from humanity, culture, and history, and I didn't imply that. People's belief systems are here to stay, most likely. But the term "religion" is generic, and you appear to be arguing that the curriculum must be tailored to your particular choice from among the many religions practiced in this world and to your particular choice from among the many variations of Christianity.

Our children's curriculum is predicated on biblical Christianity just as it is in many parochial schools. It's the foundation of all wisdom. It informs all that we teach our children, including math, science, history. . . .

You're just not a very bright bulb, Lysistrata, and like all dull bulbs, you lack self-awareness, insight and empathy.

News flash: your religion is materialism/ontological naturalism and all the dogma that comes with it. If you want to indoctrinate your children accordingly, do so at home or a private school of your choice. Do so on your own time and dime.

Mind your own rule, hypocrite, and get your religion out of the state schools.

What the heck is "biblical Christianity" anyway? It sounds like a theory developed by some Protestants who adopted the notions the the bible is inerrant and infallible and is "the foundation of all wisdom." Your assertion that the curriculum is "predicated on biblical Christianity" is false.

You are the one who is claiming that public schools should be taxpayer-provided indoctrination centers for your specific brand of Christianity rather than centers for children of all backgrounds to learn in a neutral environment. If you want to indoctrinate your children according to your dogma, do so "on your own time and dime" either at home or in a private school of your choice.

Not everyone is a "Christian" fundie. Not everyone follows fundie leaders. Get over it.

Your assertions about me personally merely highlight the fact that you are foolishly making assumptions about a perfect stranger.

 

[impuretrash]

Nonsense theory. Religion probably cannot and will not be eliminated from humanity, culture, and history, and I didn't imply that. People's belief systems are here to stay, most likely. But the term "religion" is generic, and you appear to be arguing that the curriculum must be tailored to your particular choice from among the many religions practiced in this world and to your particular choice from among the many variations of Christianity.

Our children's curriculum is predicated on biblical Christianity just as it is in many parochial schools. It's the foundation of all wisdom. It informs all that we teach our children, including math, science, history. . . .

You're just not a very bright bulb, Lysistrata, and like all dull bulbs, you lack self-awareness, insight and empathy.

News flash: your religion is materialism/ontological naturalism and all the dogma that comes with it. If you want to indoctrinate your children accordingly, do so at home or a private school of your choice. Do so on your own time and dime.

Mind your own rule, hypocrite, and get your religion out of the state schools.

What the heck is "biblical Christianity" anyway? It sounds like a theory developed by some Protestants who adopted the notions the the bible is inerrant and infallible and is "the foundation of all wisdom." Your assertion that the curriculum is "predicated on biblical Christianity" is false.

You are the one who is claiming that public schools should be taxpayer-provided indoctrination centers for your specific brand of Christianity rather than centers for children of all backgrounds to learn in a neutral environment. If you want to indoctrinate your children according to your dogma, do so "on your own time and dime" either at home or in a private school of your choice.

Not everyone is a "Christian" fundie. Not everyone follows fundie leaders. Get over it.

Your assertions about me personally merely highlight the fact that you are foolishly making assumptions about a perfect stranger.

Which is worse? Christian indoctrination or Marxist indoctrination? One creates decent, upstanding citizens and the other creates violent miscreants.

 

[JoeB131]

Eh, they're talking points. Conservatives have a nugget of truth about teachers and schools and then get totally overblown with it in the very same way Leftists go on about cops.

No, stop and really think about that.

You might have a point. The real reason why the GOP hates teachers is that the NEA and AFT heavily support the Democrats, because they have some funny idea it's more important to pay for kid's education than Tax cuts for rich people. Like yesterday, when Our Butch Mayor declared there was no more money for striking teachers, the teachers all showed up at the Lincoln Yards development where the city gave them a Billion in Tax Credits to build something.

When you all go glossy eyed about how all schools are Leftist Indoctrination Centers, you sound to me exactly like Leftists sound when they go on about all cops being racist haters who are out to shoot blacks. It's irrational. It's fundamentally irrational.

You are right... because no one actually says that about Cops. In fact, most of us think most cops are great guys doing a difficult job. And then you have the few who are racist idiots who shoot black kids... the problem is, the system protects them. You can catch one of them on tape shooting a kid 16 times, and it STILL takes 4 years to put him in jail.

While I'm mostly pro-union, what you see in Police Departments and School Districts is the worst part of unionization. Someone who is completely unfit for the job is protected from being fired, no matter how much they deserve it.

 

[SweetSue92]

Eh, they're talking points. Conservatives have a nugget of truth about teachers and schools and then get totally overblown with it in the very same way Leftists go on about cops.

No, stop and really think about that.

You might have a point. The real reason why the GOP hates teachers is that the NEA and AFT heavily support the Democrats, because they have some funny idea it's more important to pay for kid's education than Tax cuts for rich people. Like yesterday, when Our Butch Mayor declared there was no more money for striking teachers, the teachers all showed up at the Lincoln Yards development where the city gave them a Billion in Tax Credits to build something.

When you all go glossy eyed about how all schools are Leftist Indoctrination Centers, you sound to me exactly like Leftists sound when they go on about all cops being racist haters who are out to shoot blacks. It's irrational. It's fundamentally irrational.

You are right... because no one actually says that about Cops. In fact, most of us think most cops are great guys doing a difficult job. And then you have the few who are racist idiots who shoot black kids... the problem is, the system protects them. You can catch one of them on tape shooting a kid 16 times, and it STILL takes 4 years to put him in jail.

While I'm mostly pro-union, what you see in Police Departments and School Districts is the worst part of unionization. Someone who is completely unfit for the job is protected from being fired, no matter how much they deserve it.

I have no idea what you're saying and I"m not sure you do either. Yes, leftists do hate cops; do some reading. Most Leftists do not think cops are "great guys". And you can't be "pro-union" and against huge unions at the same time.

You're wholly irrational as usual Joe

 

[JoeB131]

I have no idea what you're saying and I"m not sure you do either. Yes, leftists do hate cops; do some reading. Most Leftists do not think cops are "great guys". And you can't be "pro-union" and against huge unions at the same time.

You're wholly irrational as usual Joe

I don't engage in your black/white thinking... I could break it down for you, but you won't get it.

Yes, I think that the Chicago PD deserves representation for fair wages and working conditions. I think the FOP not only making it impossible to fire Jason van Dyke the first 20 times he violated people's civil rights, but defending him to the hilt after he shot LaQuan McDonald 16 times, is a bad thing. There's representation, and then there's defending bad behavior. The same goes when the CTU defends teachers who sleep one off in the classroom. It should not be that difficult to fire bad actors.

Most leftists don't hate cops, but we do hate police brutality.

 

[BreezeWood]

Nonsense theory. Religion probably cannot and will not be eliminated from humanity, culture, and history, and I didn't imply that. People's belief systems are here to stay, most likely. But the term "religion" is generic, and you appear to be arguing that the curriculum must be tailored to your particular choice from among the many religions practiced in this world and to your particular choice from among the many variations of Christianity.

Our children's curriculum is predicated on biblical Christianity just as it is in many parochial schools. It's the foundation of all wisdom. It informs all that we teach our children, including math, science, history. . . .

You're just not a very bright bulb, Lysistrata, and like all dull bulbs, you lack self-awareness, insight and empathy.

News flash: your religion is materialism/ontological naturalism and all the dogma that comes with it. If you want to indoctrinate your children accordingly, do so at home or a private school of your choice. Do so on your own time and dime.

Mind your own rule, hypocrite, and get your religion out of the state schools.

What the heck is "biblical Christianity" anyway? It sounds like a theory developed by some Protestants who adopted the notions the the bible is inerrant and infallible and is "the foundation of all wisdom." Your assertion that the curriculum is "predicated on biblical Christianity" is false.

You are the one who is claiming that public schools should be taxpayer-provided indoctrination centers for your specific brand of Christianity rather than centers for children of all backgrounds to learn in a neutral environment. If you want to indoctrinate your children according to your dogma, do so "on your own time and dime" either at home or in a private school of your choice.

Not everyone is a "Christian" fundie. Not everyone follows fundie leaders. Get over it.

Your assertions about me personally merely highlight the fact that you are foolishly making assumptions about a perfect stranger.

Which is worse? Christian indoctrination or Marxist indoctrination? One creates decent, upstanding citizens and the other creates violent miscreants.

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Which is worse? Christian indoctrination or Marxist indoctrination? One creates decent, upstanding citizens and the other creates violent miscreants.

which one is which - have you ever read recorded history, is that you in the photo ...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well....he uses 'Democratic Socialist' when he means Bolshevik Marxist.

Oh, I didn't say he isn't above manipulation. Ultimately, he's an evil SOB, a murderous little creep. I'm talking about the politics of perception. You and I deal with facts and the realities of human nature. The lemmings can't spot the subtleties of Bernie's spin because they've been brainwashed and dumbed down by the state schools and popular culture; nevertheless, even many of the lemmings can see that Warren et. al are frauds, i.e., merely playing to what they think young Democratic voters want to here. Do you see what I'm getting at?

And some people just want everyone to have healthcare and education that doesn't bankrupt them, you presumptuous, morally parsimonious little creep.

And every Democrat candidate supports dunning the American taxpayer to pay for the welfare and healthcare of the illegal aliens they told to go and vote.

Obama: "When you vote, you're a citizen yourself."