Supporting Kurdish independence

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    I notice quite a few posters here support Kurdish independence, but I hear very little talk about the Kurdish PKK, the largest armed Kurdish independence movement.

    Do you support them, or do you consider them terrorists?
     
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    Cheese kurds. YUM!!!!! :D
     
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    If they commit terrorist acts against UNARMED CIVILIAN POPULATION, they are terrorists; if they don't -- they are freedom fighters.
     
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    The Kurds are the only people in that region with any kind of sense so I support their independence 100%.
     
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    I support Kurdish independence as well, although why you think they have more sense than any other people, I have no idea.

    Turkey is a fully functioning state with a rising standard of living - and also includes a giant swathe of what would be Kurdistan, including the capital. Why would a Kurdish state thus be necessarily better or worse off than a Turkish one?
     
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    Kurds are almost as irrelevant as Finns. Only without the incessant whining.
     
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    The PKK are terrorists and I certainly don't support them, and I separate them from other political movements; which seek greater self autonomy and respect of human rights. But the PKK are the direct result of the Turkish governments failure to deliver on their promises, and to respect human rights i.e. tread on a group enough with a hard boot Orwellian style, and they are bound to revolt in a violent fashion. If you watch some documentaries these days, Kurds are having children and raising them as soldiers for the PKK; and they openly speak about how they have so many children so that the Turkish government can never wipe them out like the Armenians and so on (or repeat Dersim).
     
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    Hipeter -

    I totally agree. I abhor a lot of PKK's tactics, and am totally opposed to their use of rape, kidnapping etc, etc, but at the same time their use of violence needs to be seen in the context of Turkish violence against them.

    In this sense I think the Kurdish and Palestinian causes have much in common in that both have a very strong historical cause, but at times use the worst possible tactics to draw attention to that cause.
     
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    One exclusively engages in suicide bombings (and rocket attacks); while the other attacks Turkish troops and suicide bombs when it can. In Israel, 'Palestine' and Turkey radical religious and extreme nationalist groups have a strong say in government; which undermines efforts for peace (or resolution).
     
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    What are the chances that Turkey gives up land for a Kurdish state? About the same chance the Pals have of ever getting anything back from Israel. Zero.
     

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