Porter Rockwell
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Taxation is not a pick and mix. We vote for parties with different spending plans and choose the one most aligned to our values. If you object to money being spent on birth control or sex changes then vote for the party that is against that. If there isnt a party then set one up.Gay Marriage Around the World
Support for equality grows every year with a total of 30 countries legalising it so far. The number increases every year and the countries that are hostile seem to be places which are ruled by religious extremists .
This is backed up by polling which shows support at around 2 thirds in favour in Australia,US and up to 80% plus in Sweden.
I cant see this trend being reversed and can see the majority of nations having similar laws in the next decade.
In the spirit of all men being created equal should the US and EU countries take steps to encourage this ? What would you like to see ?
For myself I think it can be difficult to overturn prejudice and I dont really know whether the stick or carrot is the best way forward.
It is my opinion that America was founded as a very special place and it can only be understood by reading this sermon that was delivered in 1630 by John Winthrop and quoted all the way up to the time of JFK and Ronald Reagan:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf
What we base our decision on is not dependent upon what other countries do or do not do. When America observed their founding principles and remained true to the goals and objectives upon which we were founded - and the direction the colonists began in, this nation was blessed above all the nations of the earth. We should base our decisions upon what is right and what is wrong.
For the Christian, homosexuality is a sin. In its proper perspective, however, no sin is greater than another, so it is immoral to single out people based upon their homosexuality and treat them any different than any other sinner. We tolerate people who abuse alcohol, destroy their bodies with cigarettes and drugs; we even tolerate inter-racial marriage. People who eat like pigs, adorn their bodies with body piercings and have tattoos are all committing sins. So, the gay people get no special condemnation for their sins and Christians should not treat the gay any different for their sins.
As a pragmatist, I know that the word prejudice is when you hold a belief without thought, knowledge, or reason. So, I have given this much thought outside my own belief as a Christian.
America is headed toward socialism. We all throw money into a big pot now and expect the government to hand us a Social Security check when we get old enough. That system is only viable when people put money into that pot. If you're gay, you do not reproduce. If you don't reproduce, there is no working generation to pay into the pot so that Social Security remains viable. That is worth thinking over.
Before you say to me that it is not your responsibility to reproduce for your fellow Americans benefit, then I would counter as to why we are headed toward socialism then. Why should your fellow man put money into any pot, by force, for the benefit of others when it offends his moral beliefs? If I put money into insurance premiums and that money is paid toward sex change operations or paying for diseases transmitted via sexual intercourse, am I not being forced to subsidize a practice that is morally unacceptable? I'm not claiming to be right on this, just showing a couple of instances where it is not cut and dried. How far we go in any "acceptance" of gay marriage or a gay lifestyle deserves asking really uncomfortable questions.
In terms of your socialism thoughts it puzzles me. Insurance schemes are how you deal with some of lifes misfortunes. Socialism is how we deal with some of that. We are all going to get old or sick. We pay into a fund to cover us from those eventualities.The UK welfare state protects us all by virtue of its size and makes us a civilised and caring society. The NHS protects us all and has never caused anybody to go bankrupt.
Gay folk arent asking for any handouts. They just want the equality they are entitled to.
Therein is the root of socialism. Nobody is entitled to any portion of what I have earned.
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I agree; I'm just responding another poster's musings. The more of his stuff I respond to, the further off course we go. Maybe that last post will pacify him.