Stupid Liberals!

[Bullypulpit]

And you'll have us all living in communism, and marrying our brother.

Non sequitur... But typical.

 

[007]

Non sequitur... But typical.

Yes it is... of liberals.

I knew you'd notice.

 

[Moi]

Actually, teaching kids the proper respect for firearms and the proper, responsible uses for them (not busting a cap in a rival gang members ass), would do much to reduce reduce gun deaths amongst kids, either accidental or intentional.

The anti-gun lobby spends too much time and effort focusing on the abdication of responsibility that indiscriminate gun use is. Teach folks about the responsibilities that freedom entails rather than raising a nation of victims.

You are absolutely correct- it's lack of personal responsibility that is the cause of rampant gun violence. Instead of controlling the guns and making them verbotten people (most especially LIBERALS) should be out there supporting the NRA. They are the organization which has more instructional and educational activities and success than any gun control legislation (oh, how I hate that term- we don't need to "control" guns. Guns have no mobility to control. What we need to control are the moronic SFB's who use them stupidly).

But for liberals, controlling an individual and requiring said individual to suffer the consequences of their actions is the same as eliminating freedom.

As if you have the freedom to be an irresponsible sycophant on society.

 

[acludem]

Unfounded accusations?

Here ya go:
http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/features/reader/0,2061,546954,00.html

Ashcroft specifically ordered gun checks on terrorists to be stopped. Then he tried to blame it on Janet Reno.

acludem

 

[dilloduck]

Unfounded accusations?

Here ya go:
http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/features/reader/0,2061,546954,00.html

Ashcroft specifically ordered gun checks on terrorists to be stopped. Then he tried to blame it on Janet Reno.

acludem

NP---terrorists won't be using guns in the next attack---hopefully citizens will have them in case there is an opportunity to stop a terrorist by using a gun or any other method available!

 

[Moi]

Unfounded accusations?

Here ya go:
http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/features/reader/0,2061,546954,00.html

Ashcroft specifically ordered gun checks on terrorists to be stopped. Then he tried to blame it on Janet Reno.

acludem

Why thanks, I needed a good laugh.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Schools are just trying to do their jobs 1) educate kids 2) make sure they are safe.

Soemtimes they may not quite 'get it', but at least they are looking out for the well being of the children.

As for the doctor reporting alcohol thing, that is defiently left over from puritan style prohibition, and not liberalism.

Schools in america have become perverse institutions designed to instill socialist values in our populace. Nothing more. It's a f'in disgrace.

 

[pegwinn]

Crazy. There is a new weapon in the war against the school board and invasions of the home life. It's called parents. I took my 14 y/o for the mandated physical to make sure she could play softball and tennis. No questions about drugs, alcohol, guns, or abuse. Doc came in and determined she was phyically capable of being an all-star and signed the form.

The school attempted on day three to place her in some less challenging classes because her test scores siad she could go either way (pre-ap or regular). I showed up at the school and asked to see her counselor. I joked that I was big for the 9th grade. She's in the pre-ap classes now, the school understands that the parents mean business, and of course she is mortified that dad showed up at school unsupervised. :teeth:

All is well.

 

[insein]

Overly active parents are a pain but they get you ready for life and are the best weapon in combating the School system.

They are way better then the overprotective parents that coddle their kids and keep them out of challeneging situations or the overly generous parents that are looking to be their kids buddies instead of their parents.

 

[Merlin1047]

Schools are just trying to do their jobs 1) educate kids 2) make sure they are safe.

Soemtimes they may not quite 'get it', but at least they are looking out for the well being of the children.

As for the doctor reporting alcohol thing, that is defiently left over from puritan style prohibition, and not liberalism.

Well Marbles, personal liberties and right to privacy are concepts you folks up there in the great frozen wastelands may no longer grasp since you have had government living with you in your igloos for generations. You look to your "Big Brother" government for practically all your needs and the thought of fending for yourselves probably scares the crap out of many of you.

But down here in the tropics we're still a bit more independent minded. We believe (with the notable exception of that Clinton bitch), that it is the family's prerogative and responsibility to raise their children. Most of us still believe that schools should educate children in math, history, science, english, and a few other ancillary subjects. We don't believe that schools should be the gulag where liberal indoctrination programs are conducted. Nor do we believe that schools should be conducting sneaky investigations by using the very children we entrust to them for their education. Most of us don't believe that government knows what's best for us when it comes to conducting our personal lives. We get just a tad resentful when an officious bureaucrat oversteps his/her authority and starts getting pushy.

This country needs to figuratively take hold of its government and kick it in the pants. We need a reversal of the trend toward more and more regulation and ever increasing government power. Down here we still remember that we got along just fine before government started insinuating itself into every aspect of our daily lives.

Tell you what - put on your snowshoes and go out onto the tundra and bag yourself an elk. My guess is when you cook that rascal, it will taste a lot better than had your government given it to you. If it doesn't, you are beyond redemption.

 

[MrMarbles]

Schools in america have become perverse institutions designed to instill socialist values in our populace. Nothing more. It's a f'in disgrace.

Then you better start home schooling, otherwise they may learn the meaning of compassion, sharing, and understanding.

 

[Moi]

Then you better start home schooling, otherwise they may learn the meaning of compassion, sharing, and understanding.

Schools are not meant to teach sharing, compassion and understanding at the expense of civil liberties of the parents.

You may think that keeping kids safe is a laudable goal for a school, I won't debate that one. However, it does nothing to keep kids safe to ask if their parents have guns. What might actually do something to protect kids is to make them fear the consequences of their actions rather than always being bailed out. How about letting kids understand about death...today's society is so bent on not giving children the hard facts of life it's no wonder that people have no idea that death is permanent.

Or better yet, teaching them gun safety rather than a subversive attempt at using children to rat on their parents as if the parents have done something illegal or immoral.

 

[Annie]

Schools are not meant to teach sharing, compassion and understanding at the expense of civil liberties of the parents.

You may think that keeping kids safe is a laudable goal for a school, I won't debate that one. However, it does nothing to keep kids safe to ask if their parents have guns. What might actually do something to protect kids is to make them fear the consequences of their actions rather than always being bailed out. How about letting kids understand about death...today's society is so bent on not giving children the hard facts of life it's no wonder that people have no idea that death is permanent.

Or better yet, teaching them gun safety rather than a subversive attempt at using children to rat on their parents as if the parents have done something illegal or immoral.

My take on what schools should do:

Teach subject matter. Teachers should be there to teach. If your kid and their classmates have a good teacher and they have good behavior, they will be way ahead of those that don't. Make sure your kids teachers are covering all the curriculum. I have been at a k-8 school for 6 years now. Social studies is not taught in reality, until 2nd half of 3rd grade. The curriculum calls for it, but the 'little teachers' think 'reading' is more important. Excuse me, science and social studies are venues for teaching both reading and comprehension, not to mention those subject. d'oh! This year things are changing. A substitute will be filling in for me while I 'teach' the little ones for a couple classes later in the year. The real deal is to teach the teachers-this should not be happening.

Teachers should be modeling and enforcing what is considered to be, according to the handbook of the given institution, appropriate behavior. Read the handbook! My classroom is plastered and reprimands peppered with: "If you want respect, be the first to show it." I do that with my students. There is always the 'doofus' that wants to push the envelope, some of you might have an idea what happens to that poor kid's ego. At some point, when all has settled down, I call the kid to the hall and go over what happened. "What could have prevented that?" "You don't like me to call you out like that, let's come up with a plan of warning..." Very rarely do I have the regular kid out of class more than once.

2nd theme in my room: Carpe Diem: Seize the Day!

3rd and last: I do not give grades, you earn them! Everyone starts with an "A", what you do with it from this point on, is up to you!

Notice the theme? The 'Child' has the control.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Then you better start home schooling, otherwise they may learn the meaning of compassion, sharing, and understanding.

Socialism is nothing more than a placement of government central in our lives. It has nothing to do with compassion and all to do with empowering totalitarian bureaucrats who envy those capable of success in the free market, where people succeed due to their ability to serve the needs of others and not on their ability to incite class warfare.

 

[MrMarbles]

Socialism is nothing more than a placement of government central in our lives. It has nothing to do with compassion and all to do with empowering totalitarian bureaucrats who envy those capable of success in the free market, where people succeed due to their ability to serve the needs of others and not on their ability to incite class warfare.

I was wondering how long it would take you to bring up your distorted and uneducated views again. Seriously Avenger, taking to the extreme, and not trying to understand others, will always be the down fall of the far right.

Schools are not meant to teach sharing, compassion and understanding at the expense of civil liberties of the parents.

Some of that stuff you guys said schools do, does seem a bit much. But do understand that they are just trying to look out for their safety. These 'tactics' may help alot of kids get out of dangerous households, eg, physical abuse, molestation, etc.. But its funny, where i'm from ( a centre left country) i've never heard of that type of stuff, yet in your country (conservative) it is happening, you would think it would be reverse.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I was wondering how long it would take you to bring up your distorted and uneducated views again. Seriously Avenger, taking to the extreme, and not trying to understand others, will always be the down fall of the far right.

But I do understand your viewpoint. I disagree. It's libs who refuse to even recognize the obvious unintended consequences of their addle minded policies.

Some of that stuff you guys said schools do, does seem a bit much. But do understand that they are just trying to look out for their safety. These 'tactics' may help alot of kids get out of dangerous households, eg, physical abuse, molestation, etc.. But its funny, where i'm from ( a centre left country) i've never heard of that type of stuff, yet in your country (conservative) it is happening, you would think it would be reverse.

How does espousing socialist doctrines get a child out of a dangerous home?

Youy make little to no sense.

 

[MrMarbles]

But I do understand your viewpoint. I disagree. It's libs who refuse to even recognize the obvious unintended consequences of their addle minded policies.


How does espousing socialist doctrines get a child out of a dangerous home?

Youy make little to no sense.

How about the consequences of invading soverign nations, in your war on terror, America has made thousands of terrorists.

As for helping kids, it gives them the oppourtunity to speak out. Someone is going to listen and help them. Child abuse is higher then most other forms of crime, giving a child a chance to speak out can give them a world of help.http://christianparty.net/ncac.htm

 

[Mr. P]

How about the consequences of invading soverign nations, in your war on terror, America has made thousands of terrorists.

As for helping kids, it gives them the oppourtunity to speak out. Someone is going to listen and help them. Child abuse is higher then most other forms of crime, giving a child a chance to speak out can give them a world of help.http://christianparty.net/ncac.htm

Geeeeeezzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!
You think children can only speak out under socialism?
Where do you live?

Edit:Never mind where you live, I see now..In the heart of North American Socialist country.

 

[CSM]

How about the consequences of invading soverign nations, in your war on terror, America has made thousands of terrorists.

As for helping kids, it gives them the oppourtunity to speak out. Someone is going to listen and help them. Child abuse is higher then most other forms of crime, giving a child a chance to speak out can give them a world of help.http://christianparty.net/ncac.htm

One would think that terrorists did not exist before the US went into Iraq. Terrorists were around long before that and were busy recruiting and training more every day.

 

[pegwinn]

How about the consequences of invading soverign nations, in your war on terror, America has made thousands of terrorists. PROOF?
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