Stuff I Disagree with Tea Partiers, Libertarians and Liberals On

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  1. IndependntLogic
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    * TPs and Libertarians: I don't believe that you speak to the dead and "know" what the Founding Fathers meant in the USC. No it is not to be taken literally and yes it is a living document - or else there would be no ability to amend it. I know all your reasons why you think you're right. I love the fact that you've done so much work and research on the two guys who really support your interpretation. They were big players but they weren't the only ones.

    * LIbs: Many unions have driven the price of labor up so high, they have every bit as much responsibility for jobs being shipped overseas as CEOs. They are not all noble and protecting the workers of America. Examples: UAW, Teamsters, Longshoremen.

    * I own a gun. If anyone breaks into my home and holds perfectly still while I move to within three feet of them, they're dead meat. Or their leg will hurt. Maybe a toe. In any case, you guys are all over the danm place on this issue. Some of you have told me I should be able to own a machine gun or even an RPG. Others have told me I should be able to take these fine weapons anywhere I want. I disagree with those of you who have that view.
    On the other side, Libs if I have a gun in my home, I am not a "NeoCon" or "Out to prove my manhood".

    * Conservs: Taxes do not affect my decision to hire people. I have run large divisions for major companies, medium sized firms and my own, for the last 20 years. Taxes or the mere scent of the possibility of taxes has never affected my hiring decisions. If I needed someone I hired them. It is stupid business not to. If I didn't need someone, I didn't hire anyone. This is just common sense.

    * Libs: We have too much entitlement. We have families that are 3rd generation on welfare. That's at least 2 too many. To say that these programs are never abused is ridiculous.

    * Conservs: I love what some of you have taught me about the duplication of state and fed agencies. Thank you for that. I would agree with much of what you say in this regard. But I would never let go of the CIA, SEC, FAA, EPA and so on.

    * LIbs: So waht if a candidate is a Christian? Obama is. I don't care if Rick Perry prays for rain, prosperity or a Super Bowl win for the Houstan Texans (He better pray friggin hard for that one!). While you have all this rhetoric about Christians oppressing you or whatever, what exactly are you doing when you villify someone for their faith alone. Now if Perry says he wants prayer to mandatory in schools, show me and I will b1tch slap him.

    * Conservs: You will never convince me that the CRA of '64 is not absolutely necessary and completely Constitutional. Sorry - that definitely falls into my view of "All men created equal" and "General Welfare".

    * ObamaCare sucks. It's just plain stupid. But guess what? I've had government health care when I served in the military (Not one person bought private insurance during my time in uniform) and when I lived in Mexico, Canada and The Ukraine. I've also received it in other countries. I would happily give up $300B of our military spending for a Public Option.

    * IT IS NOT ALL STILL BUSH'S FRIGGIN FAULT!!!! Enough said on that one.

    * Libs: I am for enhanced interrogation on rare occasion. Conservs: This does not mean water-boarding. Nothing about Git-Mo or what Cheney / Bush did was about gaining actionable intel. Because of my background, I am uniquely qualified to prove this. It is not hard to do.

    Okay, enough of the late night ramblings after the post-tennis glasses of Merlot.

    I'm sure this will spark debate on issues, facts, passion replies and well reasoned arguments from some of you. And of course, the usual insults and labels from the whackjobs...
     
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    You're taking on so many issues at once that responding to them all will inevitably lead to thread topic overload.
     
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    All this is is sanity, really. This post speaks to the *true* non partisans. Everyone else is fucking our Country up, knowingly or unknowingly.
     
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    Funny, you assert that no one can speak to the dead, then assert that you can. How does that work? Why should we listen to you instead of making our own informed decisions? Have you actually studied the writings of the Founders and all the debate that surrounded the Constitution in order to actually be qualified to have an opinion, or do you simply pick the one that is closest to your arbitrary beliefs?

    By the way, that belief in a "Living Constitution" is what made the PATRIOT ACT possible. It would have been struck down automatically if we stuck to a original interpretation of the Constitution. Thanks for proving you have no idea about the actual issues.

    No they aren't. I think unions are outdated, and they do contribute to higher labor costs, but they are not the reason jobs are being shipped overseas, which is not happening anyway.

    So, again, everyone is wrong but you.

    Remarkable.

    The fact that taxes do not play into your hiring decisions just proves you are not making informed decisions, you are simply reacting to demand. Not sure why you hold that up as an accomplishment, but feel free to do so if you want.

    To say that the fact that families are on them for generations is somehow proof that they are abused is even more ridiculous.

    Why not?

    That was almost sensible.

    First, the CRA was passed in 1977.

    Second, it isn't the law that most people see as the problem, it was the regulations that were written to enforce the law.

    Third, all men might be created equal, but they do not all have good credit ratings.

    Define public option in a way that actually makes sense.

    Even a broken clock.

    The state should never, repeat never, break the rules. Whenever it does it will eventually break them all the time. Anyone that does not understand that should be locked in a barrel and fed through the bunghole for the rest of their lives. They are way to stupid to be allowed to walk the streets and vote.

    Why would it spark anything other than contempt?
     
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    Which is why no one pays any attention to self described non partisans.
     
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    Here's the thing, if it wasn't to be taken literally then there's no reason to have it at all. If it's not to be taken literally then why not have 4 branches of government, or maybe we get rid of one and just have 2? As for it being a living document because it can be amended, then why not amend it? If you want to do something that isn't in the Constitution then amend it so that it is. That's how we know it was meant to be taken literally. Otherwise there'd be no reason to amend it at all.
     
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    So Windbag. What data are you using to make this assertion?

    In my experience, our company which is very sizeable is aggressively outsourcing jobs overseas. In fact, every division VP is responsible for creating a plan to show the savings they are generating via off-shoring. I know because I sat in those meetings.

    Our company has never been unionized so you can't blame the unions.

    Lastly I sincerely doubt our business is so cutting edge that we are the only ones. If the situation in my company is an outlier I would love to see the data point since I have based a share of my investment strategy on this macro trend so I am not asking to be belligerent.
     
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    Pretty much sounds like G.W. F'in Bush himself... Except for that part about Gitmo.. A big govt country club Republican with a tennis racket in one hand, and the wine in the other. And the Constitution somewhere on the shelf in the Library.. Oh' Charles -- could you fetch me some Grey Poupon and my copy of the Living Constitution? Just funning with you and your manservant of course..

    Let's have a beer and talk about the HARD STUFF.. Like why there is a Dept of Ed if NCLB is such a crappy bomb. OR HOW Washington got away with the theft of $3Bill in Soc Sec funds and how you salvage that. But this laundry list of likes and dislikes doesn't get us far enough to help you find out which of the TWO PISS POOR choices you're likely to be. Certainly all those "non-pedigreed" parties wouldn't look good at "buddy night" at the country club..

    Seriously ---- have you ever been worried about energy policy, tax policy, health policy, foreign policy, monetary policy ALL at the SAME TIME? It's the combo of all those things that are holding the economy hostage for 2 years now. If your business spyglass isn't clouded over -- you're looking in the wrong end..
     
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    Because everything requires context and intrepretation. You can't right a literal document that can stand the test of time because the context changes too much. Have you read the Federalist Papers?
     
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    Sure have. Along with the Anti-Federalist papers.

    However, as I said, if we find the Constitution lacking then we have the ability to amend it. That's the way the Constitution was meant to change with the times, through the amendment process not through the government simply doing whatever it wants regardless of the Constitution.
     
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