Study: Dems only realize Socialism Sucks 24 weeks After Country Goes Broke

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama can't even get the number of uninsured correct to the nearest 10 million

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Watching the Greek meltdown, it's obvious that Democrats only feel the pain of Socialism 24 weeks after it bring their country down.

Conservatives, Libertarians and right-wingers know how truly fucked Socialism is from conception.

.....Yet, "conservatives", Libertarians and right-wingers thought The Idiot Son (as President) was a pretty-good idea, too.....as-long-as you avoided lookin' at his track-record.

Great job (at blowin' a HUGE $urplu$), there....."conservatives", Libertarians and right-wingers.

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Neither Bush nor Delay's Congress were Conservative. They let that fat fuck Kennedy write the Education bill and almost the very day Walmart announced they would sell prescriptions for $4/bottle, they gave us another useless, Nation-busting entitlement

What else do you have in your annoying, colorful, centered text part of the world?

 

[Annie]

About those "46 million w/o health insurance" that you bleeding heart liberals contstantly cry about.....

This CRS introduction to health reform has a nice appendix that offer a very quick summation of another CRS report based on CPS data, "Health Insurance Coverage: Characteristics of the Insured and Uninsured Populations in 2007." The picture you paint of the income profile of the uninsured is incorrect, as the percentage of over-$50,000 earners in the uninsured category is closer to being 16% than 40%.

But the insurance market reforms in the law (to say nothing of the delivery system reforms, which made up a much larger portion of the law), weren't simply intended to bring the uninsured number down, though obviously that's a key goal: they're designed to 1) create a new, transparent individual marketplace in which insurers must compete on price, not risk-shedding, and 2) achieve of degree of parity between the tax benefits offered to buyers in the group and individual insurance markets.

If Obama had looked to caring for only the poor, instead of changing all aspects, there would be better numbers.

All aspects haven't changed. The law was purposefully designed to perpetuate the existing system, with a few holes plugged.

You're wrong. The underlying system is changed.

 

[editec]

Oh we've move onto Obama bashing again?

FWIW I think his HC plan STINKS.

 

[Greenbeard]

You're wrong. The underlying system is changed.

No. The payment structures remain the same: the primary payer for the poor will still be Medicaid (with significantly simplified eligibility criteria), the primary payer for the elderly will still be Medicare, and everyone else will obtain health insurance either through a group plan (e.g. employer-sponsored coverage) or in the individual market. Similarly, the provider structure remains the same, though there are demonstration programs to gauge the impact of things like accountable care organizations and medical homes on quality and cost.

There are plenty of changes in the new law, but they're not structural changes. The reform law was designed mostly to bring more people into the system that already existed, while shoring up some of the weaknesses in that system.

 

[Flopper]

You're wrong. The underlying system is changed.

No. The payment structures remain the same: the primary payer for the poor will still be Medicaid (with significantly simplified eligibility criteria), the primary payer for the elderly will still be Medicare, and everyone else will obtain health insurance either through a group plan (e.g. employer-sponsored coverage) or in the individual market. Similarly, the provider structure remains the same, though there are demonstration programs to gauge the impact of things like accountable care organizations and medical homes on quality and cost.

There are plenty of changes in the new law, but they're not structural changes. The reform law was designed mostly to bring more people into the system that already existed, while shoring up some of the weaknesses in that system.

I for one hope the law is successful in lowering healthcare cost although I have my doubts. If the new law is not successful in bringing down healthcare cost and the number of uninsured people continues to rise, we will be faced with a real government operated medical system.

 

[Claudette]

Thou hast said a mouthfull. I totally agree.

This bs bill was nothing but a foot in the door towards the total Govt takeover of HC. I do believe thats why Kucinich changed his vote. He knows he will get just what he wanted from the beginning eventually.

God. What a nightmare. The GOVT running HC for this country. Jeeze.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Watching the Greek meltdown, it's obvious that Democrats only feel the pain of Socialism 24 weeks after it bring their country down.

Conservatives, Libertarians and right-wingers know how truly fucked Socialism is from conception.

Moderate are still trying to decide if they want bacon or ham with their Denny's Grand Slam breakfast

Clear, Concise, Accurate.

What More could we ask for

And YES WE DO

 

[Big Fitz]

The IMF didn't recommend that Greece privatize the whole healthcare system. They recommend that Greece allow some private investments in the healthcare system which most nations with a universal healthcare plan allow.

Distinction without a meaning. When one of the players has no concern for market forces due to government backing and control of the playing field, you can never have a healthy ground for private investments to take hold. People obey their wallets, and look for the best deal, since the govt plans will always be the cheapest, you will not be able to get people off them unless you ration care. And of course, if all you leave open to high risk/high cost health issues for private insurers, it will be incredibly expensive, keeping people off it. Of course, then the government could walk in and say 'but you have to be affordable' and force them by law, and they go out of business or must be subsidized by the government, once again creating a universal government run system, but now it's ruined the investments of thousands, and probably killed a few hundred or thousand people by playing games with semantics to make them look good.

The United States spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world but has higher rates of infant mortality, diabetes, and other ills that many other developed countries" Reuters
Those costs include both private and government expenditures.
Healthcare Costs Around the World |

False comparison because other nations do not include abortion as well as other causes of infant death in infant mortality rates. Also, if you look at type of care available, plus successful treatment rate, all these nations fall far behind the US in nearly every catagory with a few minor exceptions and isolated incidents usually tied to private clinics, not government.

If Obama's healthcare plan is not successful, we will be looking at over 60 million people without health insurance by 2020.

Try everyone. P-BOcare will bankrupt every health insurer in this nation as is it's goal. It will force them into untenable positions in which to survive, and either go under or change lines of products to something safe like Auto Insurance. Basic fact of economics. The problem is government crosswired regulation designed to prevent profit and maximize cost to business while creating incredible demand by driving everyone to plans that cannot meet needs. If this was a business plan posed to a venture capitalist, they probably would throw you out because it is a sure fire failure. And that's P-BOcare. A sure fired failure. We aren't even doing as good as Greece with it, and that's why it needs repealing in toto.

The 46 million without insurance is bullshit squared.

Were back to including the 16 million illegals in universal coverage? Figures as much. What'll the average cost for healthcare be on this nation? They won't be paying in nor will they be paying the fine to the IRS because most don't pay taxes... and I mean 90%+ not a few here and there. So back to swamped underfunded emergency rooms.


This country does not have a health care crisis. We never have. What we have is a DEADBEAT Crisis. Fuckers wanting someone else to pay for their health care they have no right to. That's right, there is no right to health care beyond what you can do yourself, untrained, and unequipped. That's all you have a right to. After that, it's all economics and trade. It's a DEADBEAT Crisis.

 

[rightwinger]

What ever makes you think the US is going broke Frankie?

We are the wealthiest country in the world...in fact, we are $12 trillion richer than when Bush left office

How are them Social programs holding up, Sparky? Are Social Security and Medicare $12 trillion richer?

Like I said, even after Greece goes bust Democrats still don't get it.

Got news for you skippy....the US is not Greece

We are by far the wealthiest nation on earth. Our GDP is three times the next largest economy. US reserves in land, minerals, natural resources and industrial capacity dwarf any nation on earth.

Explain to me again how you calculated that the US is broke?