CrusaderFrank
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Obama can't even get the number of uninsured correct to the nearest 10 million
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Watching the Greek meltdown, it's obvious that Democrats only feel the pain of Socialism 24 weeks after it bring their country down.
Conservatives, Libertarians and right-wingers know how truly fucked Socialism is from conception......Yet, "conservatives", Libertarians and right-wingers thought The Idiot Son (as President) was a pretty-good idea, too.....as-long-as you avoided lookin' at his track-record.
Great job (at blowin' a HUGE $urplu$), there....."conservatives", Libertarians and right-wingers.
About those "46 million w/o health insurance" that you bleeding heart liberals contstantly cry about.....
This CRS introduction to health reform has a nice appendix that offer a very quick summation of another CRS report based on CPS data, "Health Insurance Coverage: Characteristics of the Insured and Uninsured Populations in 2007." The picture you paint of the income profile of the uninsured is incorrect, as the percentage of over-$50,000 earners in the uninsured category is closer to being 16% than 40%.
But the insurance market reforms in the law (to say nothing of the delivery system reforms, which made up a much larger portion of the law), weren't simply intended to bring the uninsured number down, though obviously that's a key goal: they're designed to 1) create a new, transparent individual marketplace in which insurers must compete on price, not risk-shedding, and 2) achieve of degree of parity between the tax benefits offered to buyers in the group and individual insurance markets.
If Obama had looked to caring for only the poor, instead of changing all aspects, there would be better numbers.
All aspects haven't changed. The law was purposefully designed to perpetuate the existing system, with a few holes plugged.
You're wrong. The underlying system is changed.
I for one hope the law is successful in lowering healthcare cost although I have my doubts. If the new law is not successful in bringing down healthcare cost and the number of uninsured people continues to rise, we will be faced with a real government operated medical system.You're wrong. The underlying system is changed.
No. The payment structures remain the same: the primary payer for the poor will still be Medicaid (with significantly simplified eligibility criteria), the primary payer for the elderly will still be Medicare, and everyone else will obtain health insurance either through a group plan (e.g. employer-sponsored coverage) or in the individual market. Similarly, the provider structure remains the same, though there are demonstration programs to gauge the impact of things like accountable care organizations and medical homes on quality and cost.
There are plenty of changes in the new law, but they're not structural changes. The reform law was designed mostly to bring more people into the system that already existed, while shoring up some of the weaknesses in that system.
Watching the Greek meltdown, it's obvious that Democrats only feel the pain of Socialism 24 weeks after it bring their country down.
Conservatives, Libertarians and right-wingers know how truly fucked Socialism is from conception.
Moderate are still trying to decide if they want bacon or ham with their Denny's Grand Slam breakfast
The IMF didn't recommend that Greece privatize the whole healthcare system. They recommend that Greece allow some private investments in the healthcare system which most nations with a universal healthcare plan allow.
The United States spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world but has higher rates of infant mortality, diabetes, and other ills that many other developed countries" Reuters
Those costs include both private and government expenditures.
Healthcare Costs Around the World |
If Obama's healthcare plan is not successful, we will be looking at over 60 million people without health insurance by 2020.
The 46 million without insurance is bullshit squared.
What ever makes you think the US is going broke Frankie?
We are the wealthiest country in the world...in fact, we are $12 trillion richer than when Bush left office
How are them Social programs holding up, Sparky? Are Social Security and Medicare $12 trillion richer?
Like I said, even after Greece goes bust Democrats still don't get it.