PoliticalChic
Diamond Member
PC, you do not speak for liberals and what they believe...but your mindless diatribe speaks volumes about YOU, your huge insecurities, your inability to live in a free society and your overwhelming FEAR...
The flip side of "your liberal world" is YOUR world rife with secrecy, oppression, suppression and regression...
Thomas Jefferson and Harry Truman knew your type PC...they warned about you...
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
Those who want the Government to regulate matters of the mind and spirit are like men who are so afraid of being murdered that they commit suicide to avoid assassination.
President Harry S. Truman
It would be flattering to think that "Thomas Jefferson and Harry Truman knew [my] type..." but as I read your post, Shakespeare comes to mind: "The Devil can quote scriptures for his purpose."
But don't let it go to your head, I'm not saying that your degree of confusion is comparable to Satan's evil.
Rather, you seem to lack the interest in actually confronting my oh-so-specific points. No doubt your experience in the public schools has left you with a sense of being entitled to a second, and even a third chance to get it right.
So be it. Have another go. To make it easier for you, I've tried to reduce my verbiage.
Item #1 Would you like to argue the point that Democrat administrations have reduced our military and intell defenses?
Item #2 Do you deny that sans the CRA and GRE's, Democrat creations, the current financial crisis would not have happened?
Item #3 Would you argue that under Democrat auspices the rich and successful are not taxed to provide for, in many cases, those who choose not to embark on business ventures, show ambition, or take risks?
Item #4 Are you ready to claim that Democrats do not invest in big government, vast regulation, and statutes that give rise to the appellation 'nanny state'?
Item #5 Have you not noted that every Republican is always cast as being dumb, and real ninnys like President Carter are referred to as " the smartest president he ever met..." (Walter Cronkite)
Item #6 Being a liberal means requiring no proof for a statement, as in "taking guns away from lawful citizens is tantamount to solving the crime problem." Have you read John Lott's well documented "More Guns, Less Crime"?
Item #7 speaks for itself, as do the others, actually. The Church Committee, Biden, Leahy, Torricelli, etc. all fought to limit, hamstring, and obviate our attempts to remain ahead of our enemies. The 'Can't We All Just Get Along' wing of the Congress, and all Democrat liberals.
Unlike your last feeble attempt, you will lose points for every item you leave out.
Summer School beckons.
This is really quite funny PC...thank you...ALL you're doing is PROVING my point: "The basic difference between liberals and conservatives: liberals believe people are basically good, conservatives believe people are basically evil...thus, conservatism is based of FEAR...the strongest human emotion..."
How funny that you CAN understand how the events on 911 galvanized and mobilized OUR nation against an "enemy" ...
BUT you CAN'T even fathom that subversive activities America engaged in could have the SAME effect on others...HOW is that being a thinking person PC, where is the logic and cognitive thought? Instead, you speak from total emotion...FEAR
How funny that you CAN accuse Democrats of creating big government, because they try to help our citizens, follow the basic laws of civics and the tenets of wise men like Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
BUT, you CAN'T see that big military, big surveillance programs and a big prison system IS big government that is very expensive, intrusive, and an oppressive NANNY state...HOW is that being a thinking person PC, where is the logic and cognitive thought? Instead, you speak from total emotion...FEAR
Most of your numbered points have been debunked by me in previous posts...do we have to go through them every single time we talk PC??? BTW, how DID Georges Clemenceau's need to severely punish Germany work out in the Treaty of Versailles, has something changed since the last time I destroyed your contention?
You either need to quell your overwhelming FEAR and educate yourself on the courage required to live in a free and open society and KEEP it that way, OR you should move to a country that has a dictator that will make you FEEL warm, fuzzy and secure...
Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither.
Benjamin Franklin
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln
Error #1 "...basic difference between liberals and conservatives: liberals believe people are basically good, conservatives believe people are basically evil..."
Correct Response: Conservatives view people as both good and bad, and for this reason believe on restraints on power, as in checks and balances, while liberals see power as a force for good, as long as the power is in their hands.
Error #2 "...911 galvanized and mobilized OUR nation against an "enemy" ...
This implies that the 19 hijackers may not have been our enemies. Typical 'head in the sand' liberal.
Error #3 "...subversive activities America engaged in ..."
Points off for both attaching the cliched ideas of 'Blame America First'ers' combined with lack of emumeration of these vague activities.
Extra credit for "...being a thinking person PC..."
Error #4 Loss of points for "...you speak from total emotion...FEAR." Claimed, but not supported by evidence. Actually, the contrary is true. Rather than fear differences, Conservatives believe in the principle of variety, while liberal perspectives result in a narrowing uniformity. Conservatives believe in choice of healthcare, education, religion, and various other areas. Under conservative principles, there will be differences in class, material condition and other inequalities. Equality will be of opportunity, not necessarily of result. The only uniformity will be before the law. Society will not be perfect.
Error #5 You will receive part credit for admitting that liberals believe in overwheming incrases in the size of government, as implied in "...How funny that you CAN accuse Democrats of creating big government, because they try to help our citizens,..."
Error #6 In "...follow the basic laws of civics and the tenets of wise men like Abraham Lincoln..." you have made the logical error of attempting to imply, laughably, the ideas of one great Republican President as the traits of the myriad government functionaries. Note how deftily my previous post fits here: "At the heart of the philosophy is the view that the supposedly unique wisdom of government officials should be trusted to plan the lives of the people."
Questionable statement, and probable error #7 " ...big military, big surveillance programs and a big prison system.." As usual, a liberal who would like to reduce the military, not realizing that without the judicious use of United States, and their military, the world would sink into chaos. 'Big Surveillance programs..." is poorly explained, nor documented, unless you are including 'EasyPass." And, of course, the throw-in 'Big Prison System...' which begs the question, implying that we throw political opponents and innocent folks into prison.
While not costing you any points, the use of the phrase is most telling as to the mind set of our leftist colleagues.
Error #8 "...Clemenceau's need to severely punish Germany work out in the Treaty of Versailles..." has, of course, nothing to do with the point that you could not deal with, that a tenet of liberals is that is that people are good, and will behave in the best interests of society. Marx: "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Proven false by history. Idolization of this fallacy goes back at least to Rousseau, and the concept of the 'noble savage,' a favorite left-wingers.
Error #8a "... I destroyed your contention..." A face-saving figment of your fetid imagination.
Error #9 "...educate yourself ..." Projection.
Error #10 and the winner in the category of unintentional humor: "...you should move to a country that has a dictator ..." Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, among a host of, what, well known Conservatives? While you have strongly held believes, they are not grounded in erudition, as statements such as these show that you have the most cursory understanding of the aims and goals of your brand of liberalism. It is the liberal who loves the people but hates individuals. It is the Conservative who fights for individual rights, school choice, gun rights, etc. while on college campuses we find speech codes, and indocrination.
Sorry. Summer School.
But, I do have to congratulate your ability to pack so many errors into such a short space.