Stephen Hawking: God NOT Needed For Creation

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    Stephen Hawking: God NOT Needed For Creation



    LONDON — Did creation need a creator?


    British physicist and mathematician Stephen Hawking says no, arguing in his new book that there need not be a God behind the creation of the universe.


    The concept is explored in "The Grand Design," excerpts of which were printed in the British newspaper The Times on Thursday. The book, written with fellow physicist Leonard Mlodinow, is scheduled to be published by Bantam Press on Sept. 9.


    "The Grand Design," which the publishers call Hawking's first major work in nearly a decade, challenges Isaac Newton's theory God must have been involved in creation because our solar system couldn't have come out of chaos simply through nature.


    But Hawking says it isn't that simple. To understand the universe, it's necessary to know both how and why it behaves the way it does, calling the pursuit "the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything."
    "We shall attempt to answer it in this book," he wrote. "Unlike the answer given in 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,' ours won't be simply '42.'"
    The number 42 is the deliberately absurd answer to the "Ultimate Question" chosen by sci-fi author Douglas Adams.


    Hawking, who is renowned for his work on black holes, said the 1992 discovery of another planet orbiting a star other than the sun makes "the coincidences of our planetary conditions ... far less remarkable and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings."


    In his best-selling 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," Hawking appeared to accept the possibility of a creator, saying the discovery of a complete theory would "be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God."


    But "The Grand Design" seems to step away from that, saying physics can explain things without the need for a "benevolent creator who made the Universe for our benefit."


    "Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing," the excerpt says. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to ... set the Universe going."
    Hawking retired last year as the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics at Cambridge University after 30 years in the position. The position was once held by Newton.


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    Where did the law of gravity come from?

    - posted by Mr Hister the agnostic.
     
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    Didn't this guy also say we're going to face a hostile attack from aliens soon? Yeah... I'll trust him with my faith.
     
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    Sending out radio waves into space may very well turn out to be the dumbest thing we have ever done PERIOD!

    Hawking is 100% correct. If there is other intelligent life out there it is almost guaranteed to be predatory. It is likely that "they" also covet some of the same things we do. Their food may be different but liquid fresh water is probably high on the shopping list as well as gold and uranium being the best conductor and source of energy.

    If "they" are meat eaters we are fucked. An advanced species that can travel throughout space fast enough to cover the distances required would still need to do pit stops from time to time. We might as well have a big sign sticking out of our planet "Best Food For Lightyears. Bring your appetite!".

    Your "faith" will be of no use if "they" choose to have you for lunch.
     
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    This is just another pice of useless drivel from these white homo know it all scientist that
    have nothing but their unproven theories to make unproven statements.

    We know the black man is God, and was made in Gods image. Whites were then made by the mad scientist Jacob in Africa, in a genetic experiment that went out of control.
    The known , and unkown universe was made by God, who is black. The white race
    is a genetic mutation along with asians, and other races on Earth.
    This Stephen Hawkins does not know what he is talking about.
    Just like many other white mad scientist lunatics!:razz:
     
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    Hawking is amazing. I believe in God. But Hawking is brilliant.
     
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    I'm not sure about "something from nothing," but I'd sure like to read that book. I bet it's a compelling piece of literature.
     
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    Over the past few years he has veered away from work based on provable science and entered more frequently into the realm of hypothesis, conjecture, and opinion.

    A Brief History may have represented his pinnacle, or something shortly thereafter, but since then, his theories have become increasingly more hypothetical and less scientific.

    I look at him now as more of a philosopher than a scientist. His work is behind him, and he has earned the right to share his opinion and have it heard by those who respect his work.

    But there is little debate that it appears Hawking has tired, and is (understandably) now more interested in sharing his theories than in proving them.
     
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    The scriptures don't say that something was created out of nothing.
     

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