steal from the rich to give to the......(not poor)

Justify this "stealing from the rich" claim.

A surtax on the rich to GIVE to the middle class is theft. Period. I don't give a shit how legal taxes are in general. When you use a legal weapon to unfairly punish one while raising another its theft plain and simple.

When billionaire right wingers buy Republican politicians to change the laws so what was illegal becomes legal, then start a derivative scheme that brings down the world economy, you guys call it "good business". Because no one broke the law.
 
They need to pay us back after we cut and cut and cut their taxes and they screwed us and then got bailed out by us.

You seem to love welfare for the wealthy who fuck up but hate it when their gig is up and we make them pay us back.

WHY??????
 
Justify this "stealing from the rich" claim.

A surtax on the rich to GIVE to the middle class is theft. Period. I don't give a shit how legal taxes are in general. When you use a legal weapon to unfairly punish one while raising another its theft plain and simple.

When billionaire right wingers buy Republican politicians to change the laws so what was illegal becomes legal, then start a derivative scheme that brings down the world economy, you guys call it "good business". Because no one broke the law.

Riiiiiiiiight....because you know.....billionaire liberals NEVER have politicians in their pocket right? Every hear of George Kaiser? Sheesh
 
They need to pay us back after we cut and cut and cut their taxes and they screwed us and then got bailed out by us.

You seem to love welfare for the wealthy who fuck up but hate it when their gig is up and we make them pay us back.

WHY??????

Because

IT WAS THEIR MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.
 
Justify this "stealing from the rich" claim.

A surtax on the rich to GIVE to the middle class is theft. Period. I don't give a shit how legal taxes are in general. When you use a legal weapon to unfairly punish one while raising another its theft plain and simple.

When billionaire right wingers buy Republican politicians to change the laws so what was illegal becomes legal, then start a derivative scheme that brings down the world economy, you guys call it "good business". Because no one broke the law.

crazy aint it?

No matter what the wealthy do to us these fools think its brilliant and we should give them more money and excempt them from the bills they cost us.


This crap wont fly.

its coming out of right wing think tanks and some of these people are nothing but shills for them , they other who actually buy these itellectually dishonest memes are just useful tools for the would be kings in this country.

The WSO movement has more support of the people in all the polls than the tea party ever did.

The tea party approval ratings are in the trash can.

Yet the tea party got vurtually nothing but good press from the media.

Tons of it too.

The WSO gets called names and would be happy with half the coverage the tea party got.


Some idiots like a rigged game even if it rapes them too.
 
They need to pay us back after we cut and cut and cut their taxes and they screwed us and then got bailed out by us.

You seem to love welfare for the wealthy who fuck up but hate it when their gig is up and we make them pay us back.

WHY??????

Because

IT WAS THEIR MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.

Here is an IDIOT stating that the tarp money we gave the corps was their money originally?

you are a real shill
 
A surtax on the rich to GIVE to the middle class is theft.

How so? (I'm setting aside for the moment the question of whether the payroll tax cut is a good idea in the long run, because that would confuse the issue -- i.e., because for me the answer is "no."')

To borrow a right wing talking point, we are not talking about "giving" anything to anyone; we are talking about letting the middle class keep more of their own money. That's what a tax cut is, right? And so to increase taxes on the rich while cutting them on the middle class isn't "theft," it's just a rearrangement of the tax burden, putting more of it on the rich and less on the middle class.

Given that the government has to tax somebody (unfortunately, government services aren't free), how is it worse, or any more "theft," to adjust that burden upward, than it was "theft" for Reagan to adjust it downward by cutting income taxes while increasing payroll taxes?

The government has to tax somebody. It has to have a trade policy, labor policy, immigration policy. All of these things, depending on the particulars, redistribute wealth either upward or downward. It's better to redistribute it downwards.
 
When asked last night at the Republican Presidential Forum what's the one book he reccomend Americans read, Ron Paul suggested Bastiat's The Law:

The Law, original French title La Loi, is a 1850 book by Frédéric Bastiat. It was written at Mugron two years after the third French Revolution and a few months before his death of tuberculosis at age 49. The essay was influenced by John Locke's Second Treatise on Government and in turn influenced Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson. It is the work for which Bastiat is most famous along with The candlemaker's petition and the Parable of the broken window.

In The Law, Bastiat states that "each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property". The State is a "substitution of a common force for individual forces" to defend this right. The law becomes perverted when it punishes one's right to self-defense in favor of another's acquired right to plunder.

Bastiat defines two forms of plunder: "stupid greed and false philanthropy". Stupid greed is "protective tariffs, subsidies, guaranteed profits" and false philanthropy is "guaranteed jobs, relief and welfare schemes, public education, progressive taxation, free credit, and public works". Monopolism and Socialism are legalized plunder which Bastiat emphasizes is legal but not legitimate.

Justice has precise limits but philanthropy is limitless and government can grow endlessly when that becomes its function. The resulting statism is "based on this triple hypothesis: the total inertness of mankind, the omnipotence of the law, and the infallibility of the legislator". The relationship between the public and the legislator becomes "like the clay to the potter". Bastiat says, "I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their right to impose these plans upon us by law—by force—and to compel us to pay for them with our taxes".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Law_(1850_book)
 
They need to pay us back after we cut and cut and cut their taxes and they screwed us and then got bailed out by us.

You seem to love welfare for the wealthy who fuck up but hate it when their gig is up and we make them pay us back.

WHY??????

Because

IT WAS THEIR MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.

Here is an IDIOT stating that the tarp money we gave the corps was their money originally?

you are a real shill

Hey numbnuts. In case you didn't notice this thread is about taxing the rich. Not the banks and corporations. Change the goalposts some more why dontcha.
 
In my opinion, the goal of advancing the middle class is more honorable and morally better than advancing the rich. And, not just in my opinion but in demonstrable FACT, that's also better for the economy.

I would tend to agree with your last statement and I would suggest that most Republicans do as well...it's the method that Democrats employ that is the issue. You don't advance the middle class simply by raping the rich and re-distributing wealth. You do it by creating an environment where the middle class (or poor) has greater opportunity to accomplish it themselves. We already have a poor class that is dependent upon government for their survival. We don't need a middle class stuck in that situation as well.

I'm afraid Democrats aren't willing to work that hard.

It's easy to simply demonize the invisible rich.

It's difficult to actually solve problems like poverty.
 
HAHAHahahahahahahahah

THE RICH WERE THE ONES WHO RECIEVED BONUSES OUT OF THE TARP MONEY.


It is the subject you shill
 
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


According to the Congressional Budget Office, between 1979 and 2007 incomes of the top 1% of Americans grew by an average of 275%. During the same time period, the 60% of Americans in the middle of the income scale saw their income rise by 40%. Since 1979 the average pre-tax income for the bottom 90% of households has decreased by $900, while that of the top 1% increased by over $700,000, as federal taxation became less progressive. From 1992-2007 the top 400 income earners in the U.S. saw their income increase 392% and their average tax rate reduced by 37%.[7] In 2009, the average income of the top 1% was $960,000 with a minimum income of $343,927.[8][9][10]

In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country's total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country's wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. Financial inequality was greater than inequality in total wealth, with the top 1% of the population owning 42.7%, the next 19% of Americans owning 50.3%, and the bottom 80% owning 7%.[11] However, after the Great Recession which started in 2007, the share of total wealth owned by the top 1% of the population grew from 34.6% to 37.1%, and that owned by the top 20% of Americans grew from 85% to 87.7%. The Great Recession also caused a drop of 36.1% in median household wealth but a drop of only 11.1% for the top 1%, further widening the gap between the 1% and the 99%.[11][12][13] During the economic expansion between 2002 and 2007, the income of the top 1% grew 10 times faster than the income of the bottom 90%. In this period 66% of total income gains went to the 1%, who in 2007 had a larger share of total income than at any time since 1928

20% own 85%.

that is fucking third world shit you idiots
 
HAHAHahahahahahahahah

THE RICH WERE THE ONES WHO RECIEVED BONUSES OUT OF THE TARP MONEY.


It is the subject you shill

So what your saying is CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE?

Why is it so impossible to have a rational conversation with you?

This thread is about taxing INDIVIDUALS at the expense of another.

IT'S NOT ABOUT CORPORATE TAXES.
 
HAHAHahahahahahahahah

THE RICH WERE THE ONES WHO RECIEVED BONUSES OUT OF THE TARP MONEY.


It is the subject you shill

No, banks all over the world got TARP money. What they do with it is supposed to be up to them.

They sink or swim accordingly.

That's what happens in free societies.

The problem begins when government starts picking winners and losers.

CHM2 Hill got billions in loan guarantees from the Obama Administration and then promptly fired thousands of employees. Solyndra got millions and filed bankruptcy. G E got an office in the White House and now we can't make incandescent light bulbs in this country anymore. All of those jobs were shipped to China.
 
HAHAHahahahahahahahah

THE RICH WERE THE ONES WHO RECIEVED BONUSES OUT OF THE TARP MONEY.


It is the subject you shill

No, banks all over the world got TARP money. What they do with it is supposed to be up to them.

They sink or swim accordingly.

That's what happens in free societies.

The problem begins when government starts picking winners and losers.

CHM2 Hill got billions in loan guarantees from the Obama Administration and then promptly fired thousands of employees. Solyndra got millions and filed bankruptcy. G E got an office in the White House and now we can't make incandescent light bulbs in this country anymore. All of those jobs were shipped to China.

Not to mention the TARP money has been, is being, and will be paid back.
 
So what your saying is CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE?

Of course they are. Anyone who has a 401k is tied to a corporation. Anyone who has a pension plan is tied to a corporation, etc, etc

Yep, TM painted herself into a corner saying the bailouts went to the same people I'm talking about. I was just rubbing her nose in it. She of course will deny the idea.
 
Democrats clearly hate the rich and despise their success.

This makes no sense given the fact many democrats are rich. You’ve also cited no evidence in support.

Now they want to take from the rich to give to the MIDDLE CLASS on a payroll tax cut.

No, the tax cut is currently in effect, they wish to extend it. Nothing is being ‘taken from the rich.’
It's no longer for the poor. They simply want to punish the rich at every opportunity.

Again, no evidence in support, and the cuts are already in effect, with no adverse effect on the rich.

Here's a novel idea......CUT THE FUCKING SPENDING!

What spending would you like to cut? Military? Agri-Welfare? Corporate Welfare? Or do you want cuts to the poor you accuse democrats of ‘abusing.’

Sorry Gramps, you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.
 

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