States Blocking Obamacare

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    "In more than a dozen statehouses across the country, a small but growing group of lawmakers is pressing for state constitutional amendments that would outlaw a crucial element of the health care plans under discussion in Washington: the requirement that nearly everyone buy insurance or pay a penalty."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/us/29states.html?_r=2

    And according to my local paper (They did not quote a source) "35 states have filed or proposed amendments to their state constitutions or statutes rejecting health insurance mandates."

    Looks to me like the people are speaking louder than ever.
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    Correction: states don't do anything. The lawmakers do. No significant groundswell exists at all for what Ollie suggests. This is a movement by a very small, very weak agenda-driven group of activists. None of the efforts will succeed because the votes are not there.

    This approach was debated in our state, and we decided against it as a tactic that would expose our legislative weakness.
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    Got it, you are still backing Obama and Obamacare.

    But All I am doing is reporting what I read and posted the one article I found about it on line. Don't know or care what state you are from and what you think you did. But if 35 states have some movement then there is obviously some movement.
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    You are not strong on critical thinking skills, and I will leave it at that.

    What you have is a very small coordinate effort to make itself seem much larger and the voice of the people. It's not and it's not.
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    Obamacare? Never heard of it. It's called universal health care.
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    Please do some more reading, Obama and his minions dropped that term months ago.
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    It's called socialized medicine.

    Good thing I don't expect semantic honesty from Fabian socialists anymore, though.
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    If there is movement in State Governments to block it then I say it's a good thing. We do not need socialized medicine.
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    What we need is less coverage is less insurance benefits! I don't care if they paid 200 dollars a day for their whole lives, it was a pre-existing condition damn it!:lol:
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    Is that so then obviously you have not been to Arizona then.

    PHOENIX, Arizona (June 22, 2009) — The Arizona Legislature today passed a bill that refers the Health Care Freedom Act (H.C.R. 2014) to the November 2010 ballot.

    The Health Care Freedom Act will ensure Arizona residents may pay directly for any legal health services and choose not to participate in a government or privately run health care system.

    “Protecting the rights of individuals to be in control of their health and health care must be a fundamental component of health care reform, so the Arizona legislature is to be congratulated for giving all Arizonans the opportunity to make certain our voices are heard,” said Dr. Eric Novack, Chairman, Arizonans for Health Care Freedom.

    The bill, sponsored by Rep. Nancy Barto, will be placed on the ballot as a referendum.

    The Healthcare Freedom Bill provides for two fundamental rights:

    1. The right to spend your own money to seek out and receive health care services that are otherwise legal.
    2. The right to choose NOT to participate in any health care system, of any type.
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    Lol the life expectancy of that state just dropped fifteen years.
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    Just heard Virginia is doing it too.
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    Are you talking about the people or a starve out of federal funds?

    If it's the people you are talking about do you have statistics for that figure or is it something you just pulled out of thin air?
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    Add Virginia to that list:

    Virginia Senate votes on health care bills - dailypress.com

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    Y'all are "obstructionist" and "extremist" according to Colleen Turrentine' s email. I'm surprised she did not call you terrorist too.

    Does anyone know where I can get a list of president Obama's accomplishments she is talking about?


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    Now that the senate bill has stalled, Democrats will be going back to a bill that they really wanted and like.

    Good job, Repubs. :)
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    OLDER: (1999) ( U.S. Bureau of the Census, Americans) The 50-59 age bracket will increase by 50% by the year 2006, and the country's fifty something population will expand to about 38 million by that year. The bureau further projected that by the year 2020, eight states, including: Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Georgia, Alaska and California, will double their older populations. And in the next 20 years, the bureau reported, America will see a 76% increase in its 65 and older population as baby boomers reach their retirement years.
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    We have nationalized medical care NOW and where is the opposition fromn the states and voters on that?
    The absurdity of their argument is we see signs "NO Obamacare" and then out of the side of their mouth they do not want cuts in Medicare.
    For the uninformed masses: Medicare IS government health care.
    "I got mine, the government is paying for it and I do not want any changes in it. All I want is NO ONE else to get it"
    We have lost it. Republicans used to beon the right side of this issue always calling for CUTS in Medicare. Now we have a bill that calls fordeepcuts in that waste of a blank checkprogram and Republicans cry "No cuts for seniors".
    We have lost our dam minds. Disease blank check care will bankrupt the country.
    And folks that have the blank check disease care just love it.
    "I got mine and it is free" HAS GO TO GO.
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    Many programs the Govt. offers ARE Govt. healthcare and while most of them are at or nearly insolvent to smply dismiss something as bad because it is Govt. helathcare doesn't make a lot of sense. However, what a lot of states are saying is that people should have the choice to make their own healthcare coverage decisions and not have their Govt. make it for them or force them to. I completely agree with this postiion. The other issue here is it makes no sense at all to first propose to reform healthcare in terms of lower costs, better availibilty, and highre quality and then support a bill that DOES NONE of those things and in fact puts most low income people in Medicaid which is perhaps the worst insurance program you can have. It further aims to send more Americans into a private approved insurace pool and yet at the same time condemn the companies that are in that insurance pool offering that service. If the Govt. really wanted to reform healthcare on those grounds that I posted then they could do so easily with wide support, however I suspect it has little to do with actual reform and more to do with the word as it applies to a political victory.
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    The entire point of Health care reform was to make it more affordable so that more people could be covered. The Idea wasn't to force people to purchase health insurance. So far the Democrat Bill has done nothing to make health care any less expensive. It has given power to the government and raised taxes. And it's all been done mostly behind closed doors. The people are speaking out and the Democrats in Washington are still trying to ignore them.
    I applaud every State that stands up for it's sovereignty.
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