Canadian Minister Heading South For Surgery

[Annie]

Needs 'non-routine surgery', so where does he go? US.

http://www.cbc.c/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier's office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure...

 

[Article 15]

Clearly this is reason not to reform healthcare.

 

[Luissa]

Needs 'non-routine surgery', so where does he go? US.

http://www.cbc.c/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier's office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure...

He maybe having surgery in the US, but the Canadian gov't is paying for it.
Tell me a country that isn't a third world country that doesn't have a form public funded health insurance.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Needs 'non-routine surgery', so where does he go? US.

http://www.cbc.c/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier's office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure...

He maybe having surgery in the US, but the Canadian gov't is paying for it.
Tell me a country that isn't a third world country that doesn't have a form public funded health insurance.

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

 

[Annie]

Needs 'non-routine surgery', so where does he go? US.

http://www.cbc.c/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier's office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure...

He maybe having surgery in the US, but the Canadian gov't is paying for it.
Tell me a country that isn't a third world country that doesn't have a form public funded health insurance.

Bottom line, the indigent in US do have access to health care and we all have access to the care the Canadian minister is coming south for. The Obama care plan is an attempt to allow 90% of us to have less health care, so the 10% are 'equal'. To think that's not socialism is just delusional.

 

[Annie]

Clearly this is reason not to reform healthcare.

In reality it depends on whether you really mean reform or redistribution of income.

 

[Luissa]

Needs 'non-routine surgery', so where does he go? US.

http://www.cbc.c/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

He maybe having surgery in the US, but the Canadian gov't is paying for it.
Tell me a country that isn't a third world country that doesn't have a form public funded health insurance.

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

If US is so great, why are US citizens going to Canada to get eye surgery or other surgeries. Why do US citizens go to Canada to get prescription drugs.
And why do every person I ask in my job( where I have many canadian customers) that are Candadian citizens never have anything bad to say about their health system.

So you realize even in our medicaid system that if you have a child you have to go back to work after six weeks even if you have had a c section. When they have proven that you should not go back to work at the earliest two months after two months.
Why is it that France that is suppose to be a socialized country but they tax their corporations less than we do, but make them provide medical care for their employees.
Also why is it that ever study shows that you are more productive if you work an average of 40 hrs a week with at least 5 week of vacation time. When the average blue collar worker works 60+hrs a week, with only 8 days of vacation time.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

He maybe having surgery in the US, but the Canadian gov't is paying for it.
Tell me a country that isn't a third world country that doesn't have a form public funded health insurance.

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

If US is so great, why are US citizens going to Canada to get eye surgery or other surgeries. Why do US citizens go to Canada to get prescription drugs.
And why do every person I ask in my job( where I have many canadian customers) that are Candadian citizens never have anything bad to say about their health system.

So you realize even in our medicaid system that if you have a child you have to go back to work after six weeks even if you have had a c section. When they have proven that you should not go back to work at the earliest two months after two months.
Why is it that France that is suppose to be a socialized country but they tax their corporations less than we do, but make them provide medical care for their employees.
Also why is it that ever study shows that you are more productive if you work an average of 40 hrs a week with at least 5 week of vacation time. When the average blue collar worker works 60+hrs a week, with only 8 days of vacation time.

You are an idiot. Go ahead compare us to France. It is a failing comparison. Can't answer my question? I figured as much.

 

[Luissa]

I answered your question. Canada might have people who come here for medical care, but we also have US citizens who got Canada for medical services.
How about the fact that we have 9/11 firefighters and reliefs workers going to Cuba for medical care, because the US did not provide them the medical care they need????????????

 

[Annie]

He maybe having surgery in the US, but the Canadian gov't is paying for it.
Tell me a country that isn't a third world country that doesn't have a form public funded health insurance.

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

If US is so great, why are US citizens going to Canada to get eye surgery or other surgeries. Why do US citizens go to Canada to get prescription drugs.
And why do every person I ask in my job( where I have many canadian customers) that are Candadian citizens never have anything bad to say about their health system.

So you realize even in our medicaid system that if you have a child you have to go back to work after six weeks even if you have had a c section. When they have proven that you should not go back to work at the earliest two months after two months.
Why is it that France that is suppose to be a socialized country but they tax their corporations less than we do, but make them provide medical care for their employees.
Also why is it that ever study shows that you are more productive if you work an average of 40 hrs a week with at least 5 week of vacation time. When the average blue collar worker works 60+hrs a week, with only 8 days of vacation time.

What's wrong with your healthcare? If the US implemented tort reform, mandated portability, addressed the issue of making insurance competitive across state lines, how much would that reduce costs without damaging care to the people?

For those that are paying their insurance or have employers that do, why not change the insurance to 'non-routine' or 'extraordinary expensive procedures?' Both the CBO and numerous studies have shown that when the payer is more financially responsible for their care, they are less likely to seek unnecessary treatments and medications. Insurance indeed is one of the causes, if not the main cause of people seeking unneeded antibiotics and similar treatments that have led to problems in the general population and much more expensive care for the individual in future care.

It's time for less 'good intentions' and more commonsense to be applied to this complex issue that is 1/6 of our economy.

 

[Annie]

I answered your question. Canada might have people who come here for medical care, but we also have US citizens who got Canada for medical services.
How about the fact that we have 9/11 firefighters and reliefs workers going to Cuba for medical care, because the US did not provide them the medical care they need????????????

Are you referring to "Sicko" with the firefighter?

 

[Luissa]

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

If US is so great, why are US citizens going to Canada to get eye surgery or other surgeries. Why do US citizens go to Canada to get prescription drugs.
And why do every person I ask in my job( where I have many canadian customers) that are Candadian citizens never have anything bad to say about their health system.

So you realize even in our medicaid system that if you have a child you have to go back to work after six weeks even if you have had a c section. When they have proven that you should not go back to work at the earliest two months after two months.
Why is it that France that is suppose to be a socialized country but they tax their corporations less than we do, but make them provide medical care for their employees.
Also why is it that ever study shows that you are more productive if you work an average of 40 hrs a week with at least 5 week of vacation time. When the average blue collar worker works 60+hrs a week, with only 8 days of vacation time.

What's wrong with your healthcare? If the US implemented tort reform, mandated portability, addressed the issue of making insurance competitive across state lines, how much would that reduce costs without damaging care to the people?

For those that are paying their insurance or have employers that do, why not change the insurance to 'non-routine' or 'extraordinary expensive procedures?' Both the CBO and numerous studies have shown that when the payer is more financially responsible for their care, they are less likely to seek unnecessary treatments and medications. Insurance indeed is one of the causes, if not the main cause of people seeking unneeded antibiotics and similar treatments that have led to problems in the general population and much more expensive care for the individual in future care.

It's time for less 'good intentions' and more commonsense to be applied to this complex issue that is 1/6 of our economy.

That sounds great!
Please explain to me why a insurance company would approve breast cancer treatment for an end stage dementia patient?
From my experience, before I turned 23 I had insurance provide by my dad's job which is a city job, it was great insurance with dental and if I went to urgent care the co payment was usually $6. This is a medium size city, nothing compared to a corporation like Kmart or Alberstons, but they provide better health insurance. I worked my ass for Kmart starting in high school but they screwed me around so they didn't have to give me health care. I filled in for managers, but they still made sure I didn't get health insurance.
I am not for complete socialized medicine, I am for making corporations providing health insurance. In France they tax their corporations less than we do, but still make them provide medical and dental for their employees.


Also most health insurances in this country only provide 6 weeks maternity leave, when studies show it is better for a child when their mother is home with them longer than six months

 

[xotoxi]

QUESTION: Would you have open heart surgery in NEWFOUNDLAND?

 

[Annie]

If US is so great, why are US citizens going to Canada to get eye surgery or other surgeries. Why do US citizens go to Canada to get prescription drugs.
And why do every person I ask in my job( where I have many canadian customers) that are Candadian citizens never have anything bad to say about their health system.

So you realize even in our medicaid system that if you have a child you have to go back to work after six weeks even if you have had a c section. When they have proven that you should not go back to work at the earliest two months after two months.
Why is it that France that is suppose to be a socialized country but they tax their corporations less than we do, but make them provide medical care for their employees.
Also why is it that ever study shows that you are more productive if you work an average of 40 hrs a week with at least 5 week of vacation time. When the average blue collar worker works 60+hrs a week, with only 8 days of vacation time.

What's wrong with your healthcare? If the US implemented tort reform, mandated portability, addressed the issue of making insurance competitive across state lines, how much would that reduce costs without damaging care to the people?

For those that are paying their insurance or have employers that do, why not change the insurance to 'non-routine' or 'extraordinary expensive procedures?' Both the CBO and numerous studies have shown that when the payer is more financially responsible for their care, they are less likely to seek unnecessary treatments and medications. Insurance indeed is one of the causes, if not the main cause of people seeking unneeded antibiotics and similar treatments that have led to problems in the general population and much more expensive care for the individual in future care.

It's time for less 'good intentions' and more commonsense to be applied to this complex issue that is 1/6 of our economy.

That sounds great!
Please explain to me why a insurance company would approve breast cancer treatment for an end stage dementia patient?
From my experience, before I turned 23 I had insurance provide by my dad's job which is a city job, it was great insurance with dental and if I went to urgent care the co payment was usually $6. This is a medium size city, nothing compared to a corporation like Kmart or Alberstons, but they provide better health insurance. I worked my ass for Kmart starting in high school but they screwed me around so they didn't have to give me health care. I filled in for managers, but they still made sure I didn't get health insurance.
I am not for complete socialized medicine, I am for making corporations providing health insurance. In France they tax their corporations less than we do, but still make them provide medical and dental for their employees.


Also most health insurances in this country only provide 6 weeks maternity leave, when studies show it is better for a child when their mother is home with them longer than six months

Interesting anecdotes, but what does any of that have to do with reform?

As for forcing employers to do anything, it'll kick the consumer in the butt, every time. Employers provide or don't benefits based upon their bottom line. If they want good, loyal employees, they provide the benefits that draw them. If not? They'll have inferior workers, products and be out of business.

 

[Toro]

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

Based on the last study I had read, 0.8% of Canadians head to the US for medical procedures, usually because the procedure is not available in Canada.

 

[Sinatra]

The United States offers the highest quality health care - period.

Now you an argue access, and have some legitimate concerns - but to destroy the profit-based innovation that allows Americans to get the very best quality care in the world is not the way to go about it.

The Republicans, to their credit, offered up insurance reform to help deal with the pre-conditions issue, allow access to plans across state lines to break the in-state monopolies, and real tort reform. These measures would bring down costs, increase access, as well as secure the innovations that are so essential to maintaining the levels of quality we enjoy.

The Democrats had no interest in those measures - they simply were pushing for CONTROL.

That is the undeniable truth...

 

[WillowTree]

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

Based on the last study I had read, 0.8% of Canadians head to the US for medical procedures, usually because the procedure is not available in Canada.

why isn't the procedure available in Canada? They only have 30 million people to provide for. The US OF KKKA had 350 million and half of Mexico.. What's the matter in Canada?????

 

[Toro]

If Canadian Health Care is so GREAT why is he in the US? Don't you people keep telling us Canada is better then the US health Care wise? After all aren't we way down at 39 on the list?

We have public health care it is called medicare and it is going broke. They keep cutting back on what is covered.

Based on the last study I had read, 0.8% of Canadians head to the US for medical procedures, usually because the procedure is not available in Canada.

why isn't the procedure available in Canada? They only have 30 million people to provide for. The US OF KKKA had 350 million and half of Mexico.. What's the matter in Canada?????

What makes you think the procedure isn't available in Canada?

I believe that Dany boy kept getting bumped and decided that he didn't want to wait anymore.

 

[Againsheila]

Needs 'non-routine surgery', so where does he go? US.

http://www.cbc.c/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier's office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure...

Like I said before, we have the best healthcare in the world, for the people who can pay....

 

[Toro]

Now you an argue access, and have some legitimate concerns - but to destroy the profit-based innovation that allows Americans to get the very best quality care in the world is not the way to go about it.

What is innovative about for-profit health insurance?

Switzerland banned for-profit health-insurance because Swiss insurers kept dumping sick people off their books. So the Swiss voted to ban for-profit health insurance. And insurance is a far bigger contributor to the Swiss economy than it is to the American economy.

But they didn't "socialize" it. Swiss companies still offer insurance but now do so as a loss-leader for other insurance products, i.e. home insurance, car insurance, etc. They just can't make profits off health insurance.

Americans have similar private non-profit insurers. They are called "mutuals." The government does not own mutual insurance companies. Instead, the companies are owned by the policyholders, and all profits go back to policyholders, either as dividends or as lower premiums.