Spicer Threatens the Free Press

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    The problem with this is --- the background of this feud, if there is one, is not the story.

    Again for the 482nd time, the story is "man walks in, makes accusation". THE END. It's on video, it happened, and there can be no dispute that it happened. What's behind it is an entirely DIFFERENT story, if again it's a story at all. But this one is simply, "man walks in, makes accusation". The actor is Lombard, not Spicer.

    Obviously that accusation is hearsay only, they make that clear right from the headline. And obviously the accusee takes issue with it; they make that clear immediately too. And as mentioned way back, some of the news sources, rather than begin the story with "man walks in, makes accusation", chose to begin their coverage with "Spicer's lawyer denies man's claims". Fox News and I think Newsmax did that. And they got that story from ------------ the AP. July 29. Same source. Once again the story is "Lawyer says X". Once again the story is not "incident never happened" -- the story is "Lawyer says X".

    Nobody knows if that lawyer's statement is accurate either. Shall we suppress that too?

    Aside from this lawyer trying to push his weight around, the ironical observation is that by doing so he MADE it a national story. That threat of leaning on the free press made it a far more important story than "man walks in, makes accusation".

    Nomsayin'?

    But back to the top here:
    The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. ​

    It's Daily News actually, but if this is the case how's come Bowie wants to lean on the AP and never even mentions Newport?
     
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    So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

    It looks to me like they did:

    As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

    Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him
     
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    Nothing like some wanker waddling in 200 posts on and demanding to be spoon fed from the beginning.

    Again, the story isn't 'fake'. It's on video. There ain't no way around that.

    Oh and it might be worth pointing out to the tangentially sentient that the AP is not a newspaper; it's a clearinghouse for stories from multitudinous sources. Actual newspapers, broadcast outlets, and news pages can use what they'd like to cover from that pool. Or not. In this case they passed on a story from the local source NewportRI.com. They don''t have reporters.
     
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    That's the AP job. To funnel all the weird and sketchy to the public. They don't do investigative reporting. That's not their job. BUT -- they must also suffer from nose dysfunction on occasions like this when they can't smell an obvious hit job.

    Most of the other sources that Pogo quoted DID question the veracity of the reporting. That's WHY we have a split "3rd Estate" of American journalism today. And nobody should be disregarding EITHER SIDE of the split in two media establishment at the moment.
     
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    Here's the thing though, Pogo: The AP picks and chooses which stories they run.

    Therein lies the rub. ;)

    IMO, most of their stories are to cover for/foment acts of war.


    For example, they started demonizing Khadafi around 2 weeks before Hillary

    assassinated him and his children.

    They certainly ran with the "Syrian president gasses his own people" story when

    in reality, a Russian bomb hit an ISIS chemical weapons warehouse.

    As a result of that, a Syrian airfield had missles rained down on it.
     
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    Just to hammer this in one more time --- there isn't any question about the veracity. It's on video. You can't contend that what's clearly on video did not happen. And that's what Bowie was demanding.
     
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    Once AGAIN the AP doesn't "run" stories. They pool them. And if you've got a newspaper ---- hang on, I just threw up in my mouth a bit --- you can choose one story from column A and one from column B. And then YOU run them.

    Again to repeat the example in this case, some news outlets chose to begin their coverage with "man accuses Spicer". Others chose to begin theirs with "Spicer's lawyer denies accusations". BOTH of them came from the AP. You take what you consider appropriate for your channel.

    Now the lawyer in this case (Bowie) wanted the AP to 'retract' the first story -- but not the second one. He's trying to control the news. And that's the whole thread in a nutshell. And I know how much you like nuts.
     
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    That's not the issue. What's on video is also a lot of reality TV shows, staged wrestling, and bad humor. Just because it HAPPENED does not make it news. And the Newport paper showed NO INTEREST in their story to PROVIDE any journalism to go with it. That video is in the same class of McDonalds' customer beat-downs, and stupid criminal acts. There is NO veracity to a raw video without context. Hardly ever. You'll never convince people about ANY fact with a mere confrontation like that. And it SHOULD NOT BE PROMOTED as news unless the reporters PROVIDE some context.

    Seems they PURPOSELY left out ALL known context in the initial reporting. Because other sources could figure out a LOT of context within 24 hours of it happening.
     
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    Agree. But it does make it true. Whether it qualifies as "news" would be a value judgment. And again I submit that Bowie with his heavyhanded overreaction is the guy who made it into "news". That's the only reason I ever put this thread here in the first place.

    So if the incident is true --- and it is, as it's on video --- who has the right to suppress it?

    That's the entire crux of the matter here.

    All the context is there, though there isn't much. WHO did WHAT, WHEN and WHERE did they do it. All covered, with reactions from the receiving side. No conclusions were made about anybody's veracity of accusing or denying; that isn't the story. The story is simply that the man walked in and said what he said, end of said story. It ain't their job to then go back and find out if what he accused is true or not; they did identify who the man was, and on followup interviewed third parties (as I posted) to confirm or deny. But in the moment the story is "man walks in, says X". There's no point in making it more complex than that, since that's all that was claimed -- "man walks in, says X". No further claim is laid beyond that.

    Now had some news outlet titled their story "Spicer hurled racial slur at prep school", that would be making an accusation; it would be assuming facts not in evidence. Simply reporting that some guy SAID that --- isn't.

    I get the distinct impression that several wags here can't discern the difference between "X happened" and "man claims X happened".
     
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    First of all what you are ignoring is the Journalism code of ethics.....Journalism ethics and standards - Wikipedia

    Wherein it states:
    'While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability, as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.

    Like many broader ethical systems, journalism ethics include the principle of "limitation of harm". This often involves the withholding of certain details from reports such as the names of minor children, crime victims' names or information not materially related to particular news reports release of which might, for example, harm someone's reputation.'

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing that can harm someone's reputation (especially someone involved in politics)as to be accused of using the N-word. That cannot be over-emphasized. Yet you seem unable to wrap your head around that.

    My question to you is why? It is not complicated and there is no reason anyone of just common intelligence cannot understand that. Yet, you consistently want to either ignore that or deny it.

    Also you consistently claim that it is not the AP's fault the video was dissiminated around the world...you want to only blame the Hartford Connecticut source. Now they may be the most culpable of all but when a huge media outlet takes a video that will undoubtedly harm someone's reputation(Spicer) and helps to dissiminate it all over the land...they are also culpable, maybe even more so because hey have such a wide audience. So again the key words here being 'dissimination' and hurtful material.

    You also mentioned in one of your posts that the AP checked the veracity of the story....the story being a black man accusing Spicer of using the N-word. They absolutely failed to try and research whether there was any truth to the claim or even any probability of the claim. They obviously were so eager to dissiminate the claim of Spicer using the n-word they would not be slowed down or inhibitied by checking to see if there was any truth to it.

    You want to twist and turn it into an event of Spicer trying to muzzle a free press. Absolutely outrageous! Spicer's only problem with the video was that it included the segment where the black man made the claim he had used the n-word.

    Then you post long posts full of irrelevant garbage attempting to camouflage the hurtful nature of the story or the claim made that Spicer used the N word.

    You even had the audaicity to post the AP page with a link that was directly linked to the video...and you made the specious claim they were just linking to the source of the story The Newport Daily News.

    Obviously you did not even know that the AP link brought up the video.

    The AP report, published Saturday, documented an incident at Spicer’s book signing in Middletown, R.I., on Friday during which a black man claiming to be a former classmate of Spicer’s at Portsmouth Abbey School accused Spicer of using a racial slur.

    You posted the AP page in post # l64 but since i brought your attention to it....you deleted it. That means you understood you made a mistake by posting the AP Page. You are simply trying to cover your tracks and stubbornly refuse to admit the AP, whilst not the only bad guy in this controversy it is the biggest bad guy due to their huge organization with the ability to spread any item all over the world if they so desire. And, obviously they did. If the AP had not picked up on the Newport daily news item...it would never have been heard of most likely...certainly not to the extent that it has been.

    Here is the AP report you posted then deleted. Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

    Here is the link included in the AP report that linkes directly to the Video....A Newport Daily News video

    Yet, you claim the AP was merely showing the source of the video....yes they showed the source but at the same time they helped dissiminate the video. That cannot be honestly denied.

    I am a tad late with this post because for some 'mysterious' reason I was cut off last night during the final pages of the thread. I was not allow to quote or reply. hmmmmmmm I wonder why...just a glitch maybe? perhaps?
     
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