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I saw this on a science show just yesterday. A Poplar tree forest is the largest and oldest living organism because they connect at the roots and go back over 20,000 years. The Bristlecone Pine tree is a mere child only 8,000 years old.
 
That's how you can also tell how old Hollywood actresses are. Xray their necks and count the rings.
 
Gracie, thanks for sharing that was really interesting. :) We have some polar trees in the backyard. The previous owners said that the trees were there long before the house.
 
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@ Gracie, thanks for sharing that was really interesting. :) We have some polar trees in the backyard. The previous owners said that the trees were there long before the house.

Thanks Gracie and wellie (wellie if you take out that space between @ and Gracie and the tag link should show up in RED if it's typed correctly)

When I collaborated with Kellie Komiss on the Redwoods Rally in Houston, we used the entire Fourth Grade huddled in a circle in the cafeteria for a school workshop to represent the base of one of these trees.

Some of the old growth redwoods were over 2,000 years old 'as old as Jesus'

One activist had written a song for these trees, including the history of Columbus and other events these trees had seen!
See below, I found his link, he invites others to add their own lyrics.
Is this cool or what???
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Headwaters Support Song: Giant Silent Redwood (Tree of Ages)

Giant Silent Redwood
(Tree of Ages)
@1996 Dan Scanlan

(Written to help preserve the Headwaters Forest. Best sung while protesting
with others and while being arrested.)

Click here to add a verse Chords: C and Am riff, and F

CHORUS
Giant Silent Redwood tell me what you know
Giant Silent Redwood tell me what you know
Stand and tell me what you know.

Antony and Cleopatra kissed upon the Nile
You stood there Giant Redwood,
Tell me, did they smile?
Tell me, did they smile?

When Jesus was a young man walking on the sand
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how He ran
Tell me how He ran.

The ancient Mayan people built a pyramid
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me what they did
Tell me what they did

A craftsman down in China, made the first compass
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me what it was
Tell me what it was.

Mohammed had a vision high atop Hira
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me what he saw
Tell me what he saw.

The Hindu wrote of number, the power and the root
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me all the Truth
Tell me all the Truth.

The first church bell rang its note in Rome
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me more of home
Tell me more of home.

Monk called Venerable Bede set the calendar date
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to wait
Tell me how to wait.

When Arizona Indians built homes atop the soil
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me of their toil
Tell me of their toil

King Duncan the Scot fell to Macbeth's knife
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me of hard strife
Tell me of hard strife

Marco Polo walked to China, worked for Kublai Khan
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to move on
Tell me how to move on

Johann Gutenberg inked his printing press
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me was it blessed
Tell me was it blessed

Amerigo Vespucci, Christopher Columbus
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me are they us
Tell me are they us

St. Joan of Arc held hard to her thought
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how she fought
Tell me how she fought

Galileo found the rhythm, swinging pendulum
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to drum
Tell me how to drum

René Descartes said "Je pense, donc je suis"
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me what's "to be"
Tell me what's "to be"

Shakespeare the Bard penned "Measure for Measure"
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me your treasure
Tell me your treasure

The Bill of Rights secured precious Liberty
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to free
Tell me how to free

Darwin found a thread, weaves its way through time
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me of the rhyme
Tell me of the rhyme

The captain of a slave ship wrote "Amazing Grace"
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to praise
Tell me how to praise

By, of and for the people, Lincoln made a speech
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to teach
Tell me how to teach

The Irish potato famine moved my dad's dad's dad
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me all he had
Tell me all he had

The Manifest Destiny scratched hard at your being
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me what I'm seeing
Tell me what I'm seeing

Samuel F. B. Morse sent code down a wire
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me of dot fire
Tell me of dot fire

Thomas Alva Edison lit up a global light
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me of the night
Tell me of the night

A Portuguese sailor made the ukulele
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to glee
Tell me how to glee

Sigmund Freud he taught we're not always what we seem
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how you dream
Tell me how you dream

Enola Gay took flight and dropped the atom bomb
You stood there Giant Redwood
Tell me how to calm
Tell me how to calm

Loggers in the woods got their eye on you
You stand yet Giant Redwood
Tell me what to do
Tell me what to do.
You stand yet Giant Redwood
Tell me what to do
Tell me what to do

Click here to add a verse
 
There are wooden houses in the northeast built in the 1700s. There are wooden buildings in Europe and Asia built in the 600s. However, that is an unlikely span for a modern structure even ignoring the changes in structure. Note that I did NOT say that it would only last a decade due to the nature of wood. My comment was comparing the lifespan of a modern house (or other wooden structure) to the span of that particular tree.

If you were in complete charge and were given the responsibility of deciding whether to cut such a tree down for the profit of selling its wood or to leave it standing for it's own innate worth, what would you do?
 
There are wooden houses in the northeast built in the 1700s. There are wooden buildings in Europe and Asia built in the 600s. However, that is an unlikely span for a modern structure even ignoring the changes in structure. Note that I did NOT say that it would only last a decade due to the nature of wood. My comment was comparing the lifespan of a modern house (or other wooden structure) to the span of that particular tree.

If you were in complete charge and were given the responsibility of deciding whether to cut such a tree down for the profit of selling its wood or to leave it standing for it's own innate worth, what would you do?
What was the temperature of the wood in 1799? ;)
 
There are wooden houses in the northeast built in the 1700s. There are wooden buildings in Europe and Asia built in the 600s. However, that is an unlikely span for a modern structure even ignoring the changes in structure. Note that I did NOT say that it would only last a decade due to the nature of wood. My comment was comparing the lifespan of a modern house (or other wooden structure) to the span of that particular tree.

If you were in complete charge and were given the responsibility of deciding whether to cut such a tree down for the profit of selling its wood or to leave it standing for it's own innate worth, what would you do?


I would keep the largest and oldest assuming that they were in good health and clear out the smaller ones...it is the curtailing of clearing forests that has resulted in the magnitude of forest fires...choke the floor with underbrush and you endanger the whole forest.
 
That's good. The position you were taking could have been interpreted as thinking its lumber was worth more than the original tree.

You know, really mature forests get much more spaced out than we typically picture. A more widely spaced pattern allows a broader range of species, sizes and ages. And, of course, occasional forest fires are beneficial to the long term health of the biome.
 
Ground fires are beneficial to the Western forests. Crown fires are not. Selective logging versus clear cutting has been a contentious issue in the West since the logging started. Clear cutting results in far larger profits, and uses far less manpower per board foot. However, the environmental effects are extreme. Selective logging is far less environmentally damaging, but requires a trained work force. It also allows more than just a chosen specie to be harvested. And you would get to log some big trees as they began to die for one reason or another.
 

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