Socialism in America

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    The United States has never been a socialist country, and most likely it never will be. Our economy is a modified (that is, regulated) capitalist economic system, as is the case for all the major economies in the world.

    In response to the Great Depression of the 1930s, the political establishment of both major parties in America began embracing the European notion of welfare state. That is, we accepted and institutionalized the idea that the state has an interest in preventing major portions of the population (in the case of Social Security, the elderly and disabled) from falling into poverty.

    The notion of a welfare state has had an independent history from that of the economics notion of socialism (that is, state ownership or control of the major sectors of the national economy). The problem is, today, the Republicans conflate these two ideas in a SCARE TACTIC-type attempt to gain traction with conservatives. The Right sees socialism in everything, public education, social security, government regulations, taxes, Congress, and the White House. The Republican plan for America seems to be based on hate and fear. I wonder whatever happened to family values. I guess it doesn't fit into the new plan.


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    Repubs can't distinguish socialism from welfare state (interstate, weapons, highway) - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - City-D
     
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    This is a decent OP, but I'm not sure it's 100% this cynical. There's certainly a basis in reality for welfare leading to a lowered incentive for hard-work(so the GOP montra is never "totally" out in left-field), and there's a line that noone wants to talk about between letting the poor suffer as the rich inhale, or letting the poor live a decent standard on the back of the rich while earning doughnut themselves.

    The problem with these discussions is that everyone assigns these deep dark cynical motives to the opposing view, and they turn into cartoon discussion to anyone with more than four brain cells.........and those with three or less brain cells hero-worship people like Beck, Olberman, Levin, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. (for lack of popular Sensationalists on the left to name).

    And the problem with having the discussions on "political" message boards, is that the "fans" of these douche-bags come here, for discussion, and mock all other viewpoints like their Demigods do in a cartoonish fashion. Insecurity at its finest.
     
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    Socialism: it's why Progressives consider the Great Depression so darn great
     
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    = painting a cartoon of all opposing viewpoints. Convenient, corny, but hey, I'm immature 78% of the time so touche'.
     
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    That you totally ignore residual effects of past Senates, Congresses, and Presidencies.
     
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    No, I give Progressives 100% of the credit for the harm they've inflicted.
     
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    Of course you do, because Conservatism is flawless and Liberalism is evil. Conservatism is so flawless, they manage to lose power over and over and over again throughout our Nation's history. There's great leadership. You know, the whole keeping leadership, thing. They're so strong, and leadership savvy. Such an ability to maintain power and keep everything on the right course. Good thing Conservatives are such great leaders and are always in power, or else America might get off Conservative course.
     
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    Actually, its been a socialist nation for some time.

    Public libraries? Social security? medicare and Medicaid? Rural electrification?
    It's a mixed economy featuring the capitalist mode of production.

    Not really. Consider the origins of the social democrats.
     
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    If you take the time to read the positions of the two parties, you will see nothing even close to what is on these bulletin boards. But the position of the parties is not what wins elections. Sad to say it's character assignation, quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, and plain old lies that make the difference in tight races. That you will see in abundance on these boards. Surprisingly, there is some really good political discourse, but you have to look for it. So many posts are just name calling. Others are just repeating inaccurate information from blogs and partisan publicans.
     

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