Socialism equals less freedom. How?

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    In another thread the statement was made that Socialism makes us less free. Canada, England, and Europe are all countries and regions much more socialized then we are yet all provide equal or greater quality of life, longer life, and equal or more civil liberties. So exactly how has socialization in those countries made them less free than ourselves?

    And if you could I would like the explanation in the form of a logical argument-that is, your predicate should be supported by premises and conclusion congruent to all premises and predicate. "I'm a dumb fuck, go to Canada dick-wad, etc" are fallacies and only shows your ignorance. Many of you have already established that so now I am giving you the opportunity to show some intelligence. How exactly are we more free while others with comparable or better quality of lives and liberty aren't?
     
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    Dumb questions equal intelligence how?
     
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    My thoughts to ... normally I say there are no stupid questions ... but this thread made me doubt that assertion.
     
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    The question wasn't where I was looking for intelligence but the answer. Lets hear it...
     
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    If freedom doesn't equate to our quality of life and civil liberties then what is it and why do we desire it? Explain.
     
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    Alright ... here's the simple answer that is so easy to see, it's almost glowing.

    It takes away the freedom of the rich to decide how to spend their earned money and forces them to support people who either do not care, or are unwilling to try, instead of offering the help they do to those of us who simply can't but want to try.
     
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    It takes away just about everybody's freedom to decide how to spend their money, on the IMPORTANT things... the things that you SHOULD have the FREEDOM to chose.

    What part about that wasn't obvious enough for DavidS to see? Or was it simply just a DUMB QUESTION?
     
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    How can you have more 'freedom' when a government can force you to do things with your own money you don't agree with?

    The problem many people have with socialism is it never knows when to stop, while everyone agrees it would be good to help old and poor people, socialism tends to blur the lines of who needs help and where the money is to come from.

    The main problem is, people don't have free will, they HAVE to go along or be arrested.

    That is why the question was treated with derision, it should have been obvious.
     
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    Basicly KittenKoder explained it. Another way of putting it:

    You sacrifice some of your personal freedom for the greater good of society. (It is the idea anyway)
    Most if not all societies have this. Even USA 200 years ago. There is a scale to wich degree this is done and somewhere on this scale is socialism. One easy way of describing it. Then what personal freedom in other aspects of life you might come to vary of course. I would say an Amercian is more free than a Swede. That does not mean that an American can do alot more in general, but there are things that differ - trust me?.
     
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