So you want to label the DC protest treason insurrection or rebellion.

[Agit8r]

Climbing walls, breaking doors and windows to gain access is in fact within the linguistic definition of laying seige.

No, it isn't. That's what the besieging force does when they finally find a way into the besieged city, they break doors, climb walls, etc. But beforehand, they "lay siege" outside the walls for days and weeks and months, trying to starve out the inhabitants so they'll surrender, preferably. Gaza is probably the only besieged city at this time.

It only took a few minutes for the climbers and advance guard of the crowd to get in, so that's no siege. The word siege implies they had trouble getting in: but they sure didn't!

Okay, Captain Semantics

No seige. Just leying war. N'kay?

 

[9thIDdoc]

"I know all this because unlike yourself, I'm not an idiot."

You are welcome to your opinion but I don't have to share it and I do not. You have a wildly over-inflated opinion of the value of your opinion.

"Would you have us believe that this mob..."
I don't give a shit what you believe because it matters not at all. What matters is what is proven in court about each individual of that "mob" that is charged with wrong doing.

 

[Circe]

If so we are also going to have to relabel one or several doz. historical conflicts we tend to forget about.

Whiskey Rebellion, (1794), in American history, uprising that afforded the new U.S. government its first opportunity to establish federal authority by military means within state boundaries, as officials moved into western Pennsylvania to quell an uprising of settlers rebelling against the liquor tax. Alexander Hamilton, secretary of the treasury, had proposed the excise (enacted by Congress in 1791, the first national internal revenue tax) to raise money for the national debt and to assert the power of the national government. Small farmers of the backcountry distilled (and consumed) whiskey, which was easier to transport and sell than the grain that was its source. It was an informal currency, a means of livelihood, and an enlivener of a harsh existence. The distillers resisted the tax by attacking (often tarring and feathering) federal revenue officers who attempted to collect it.

Utah War AKA Mormon rebellion
In 1857–58, President James Buchanan sent U.S. forces to the Utah Territory in what became known as the Utah Expedition. The Mormons, fearful that the large U.S. military force had been sent to annihilate them and having faced persecution in other areas,[7] made preparations for defense. Though bloodshed was to be avoided, and the U.S. government also hoped that its purpose might be attained without the loss of life, both sides prepared for war. The Mormons manufactured or repaired firearms, turned scythes into bayonets, and burnished and sharpened long-unused sabres.

The confrontation between the Mormon militia, called the Nauvoo Legion, and the U.S. Army involved some destruction of property and a few brief skirmishes in what is today southwestern Wyoming, but no battles occurred between the contending military forces.

At the height of the tensions, on September 11, 1857, between 95 and 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas, Missouri and other states, including unarmed men, women and children, were killed in remote southwestern Utah by a group of local Mormon militia.[10] They first claimed that the migrants were killed by Indians but it was proven otherwise. This event was later called the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the motives behind the incident remain unclear.[11]

The Aiken massacre took place the following month. In October 1857, Mormons arrested six Californians traveling through Utah and charged them with being spies for the U.S. Army. They were released but were later murdered and robbed of their stock and $25,000.[12][13]

Pontiac's War, also known as Pontiac's Conspiracy or Pontiac's Rebellion, was launched in 1763 by a loose confederation of American Indian tribes, primarily from the Great Lakes region, the Illinois Country, and Ohio Country who were dissatisfied with British policies in the Great Lakes region following the French and Indian War (1754–1763). Warriors from numerous tribes joined the uprising in an effort to drive British soldiers and settlers out of the region. The war is named after Odawa leader Pontiac, the most prominent of many Indian leaders in the conflict.
The war began in May 1763 when Native Americans were offended by the policies of British General Jeffery Amherst and attacked a number of British forts and settlements. Eight forts were destroyed and hundreds of colonists were killed or captured, with many more fleeing the region. Hostilities came to an end after British Army expeditions in 1764 led to peace negotiations over the next two years. The Native Americans were unable to drive away the British, but the uprising prompted the British government to modify the policies that had provoked the conflict.

TO BE CONTINUED-

The first two work. In the Whiskey Rebellion President Washington led troops to quell the rebellion and the insurrectionists accepted US taxation.

In the Utah War, Utah accepted a non-theorcacy and federal court power.

In the end, the Trumpbots will have to accept the election.

Not precisely accepted --- more forced on them.

In the 1960s Joan Baez was singing,

"Get you a copper kettle.
Get you some copper coil
Cover with new-made corn mash
And never more you'll toil . . . .

And now there is a cable TV show Moonshiners.

As for the Mormons, a lot of them STILL practice polygamy of many women to each man, and if there is ever a Mormon president, polygamy like that will be legal five minutes after he gets into the White House, IMO.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"If you are asking for a legal definition for what trump did through his Trump Army, it is LEVYING WAR"

Prove that President Trump had something called a "Trump Army" and that he acted through that imaginary army to "levy war". Prove this legally in a court of law which is the only way that matters. Try. Please. The results should be hilarious.

 

[9thIDdoc]

If so we are also going to have to relabel one or several doz. historical conflicts we tend to forget about.

Whiskey Rebellion, (1794), in American history, uprising that afforded the new U.S. government its first opportunity to establish federal authority by military means within state boundaries, as officials moved into western Pennsylvania to quell an uprising of settlers rebelling against the liquor tax. Alexander Hamilton, secretary of the treasury, had proposed the excise (enacted by Congress in 1791, the first national internal revenue tax) to raise money for the national debt and to assert the power of the national government. Small farmers of the backcountry distilled (and consumed) whiskey, which was easier to transport and sell than the grain that was its source. It was an informal currency, a means of livelihood, and an enlivener of a harsh existence. The distillers resisted the tax by attacking (often tarring and feathering) federal revenue officers who attempted to collect it.

Utah War AKA Mormon rebellion
In 1857–58, President James Buchanan sent U.S. forces to the Utah Territory in what became known as the Utah Expedition. The Mormons, fearful that the large U.S. military force had been sent to annihilate them and having faced persecution in other areas,[7] made preparations for defense. Though bloodshed was to be avoided, and the U.S. government also hoped that its purpose might be attained without the loss of life, both sides prepared for war. The Mormons manufactured or repaired firearms, turned scythes into bayonets, and burnished and sharpened long-unused sabres.

The confrontation between the Mormon militia, called the Nauvoo Legion, and the U.S. Army involved some destruction of property and a few brief skirmishes in what is today southwestern Wyoming, but no battles occurred between the contending military forces.

At the height of the tensions, on September 11, 1857, between 95 and 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas, Missouri and other states, including unarmed men, women and children, were killed in remote southwestern Utah by a group of local Mormon militia.[10] They first claimed that the migrants were killed by Indians but it was proven otherwise. This event was later called the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the motives behind the incident remain unclear.[11]

The Aiken massacre took place the following month. In October 1857, Mormons arrested six Californians traveling through Utah and charged them with being spies for the U.S. Army. They were released but were later murdered and robbed of their stock and $25,000.[12][13]

Pontiac's War, also known as Pontiac's Conspiracy or Pontiac's Rebellion, was launched in 1763 by a loose confederation of American Indian tribes, primarily from the Great Lakes region, the Illinois Country, and Ohio Country who were dissatisfied with British policies in the Great Lakes region following the French and Indian War (1754–1763). Warriors from numerous tribes joined the uprising in an effort to drive British soldiers and settlers out of the region. The war is named after Odawa leader Pontiac, the most prominent of many Indian leaders in the conflict.
The war began in May 1763 when Native Americans were offended by the policies of British General Jeffery Amherst and attacked a number of British forts and settlements. Eight forts were destroyed and hundreds of colonists were killed or captured, with many more fleeing the region. Hostilities came to an end after British Army expeditions in 1764 led to peace negotiations over the next two years. The Native Americans were unable to drive away the British, but the uprising prompted the British government to modify the policies that had provoked the conflict.

TO BE CONTINUED-

The first two work. In the Whiskey Rebellion President Washington led troops to quell the rebellion and the insurrectionists accepted US taxation.

In the Utah War, Utah accepted a non-theorcacy and federal court power.

In the end, the Trumpbots will have to accept the election.

If so we are also going to have to relabel one or several doz. historical conflicts we tend to forget about.

Whiskey Rebellion, (1794), in American history, uprising that afforded the new U.S. government its first opportunity to establish federal authority by military means within state boundaries, as officials moved into western Pennsylvania to quell an uprising of settlers rebelling against the liquor tax. Alexander Hamilton, secretary of the treasury, had proposed the excise (enacted by Congress in 1791, the first national internal revenue tax) to raise money for the national debt and to assert the power of the national government. Small farmers of the backcountry distilled (and consumed) whiskey, which was easier to transport and sell than the grain that was its source. It was an informal currency, a means of livelihood, and an enlivener of a harsh existence. The distillers resisted the tax by attacking (often tarring and feathering) federal revenue officers who attempted to collect it.

Utah War AKA Mormon rebellion
In 1857–58, President James Buchanan sent U.S. forces to the Utah Territory in what became known as the Utah Expedition. The Mormons, fearful that the large U.S. military force had been sent to annihilate them and having faced persecution in other areas,[7] made preparations for defense. Though bloodshed was to be avoided, and the U.S. government also hoped that its purpose might be attained without the loss of life, both sides prepared for war. The Mormons manufactured or repaired firearms, turned scythes into bayonets, and burnished and sharpened long-unused sabres.

The confrontation between the Mormon militia, called the Nauvoo Legion, and the U.S. Army involved some destruction of property and a few brief skirmishes in what is today southwestern Wyoming, but no battles occurred between the contending military forces.

At the height of the tensions, on September 11, 1857, between 95 and 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas, Missouri and other states, including unarmed men, women and children, were killed in remote southwestern Utah by a group of local Mormon militia.[10] They first claimed that the migrants were killed by Indians but it was proven otherwise. This event was later called the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the motives behind the incident remain unclear.[11]

The Aiken massacre took place the following month. In October 1857, Mormons arrested six Californians traveling through Utah and charged them with being spies for the U.S. Army. They were released but were later murdered and robbed of their stock and $25,000.[12][13]

Pontiac's War, also known as Pontiac's Conspiracy or Pontiac's Rebellion, was launched in 1763 by a loose confederation of American Indian tribes, primarily from the Great Lakes region, the Illinois Country, and Ohio Country who were dissatisfied with British policies in the Great Lakes region following the French and Indian War (1754–1763). Warriors from numerous tribes joined the uprising in an effort to drive British soldiers and settlers out of the region. The war is named after Odawa leader Pontiac, the most prominent of many Indian leaders in the conflict.
The war began in May 1763 when Native Americans were offended by the policies of British General Jeffery Amherst and attacked a number of British forts and settlements. Eight forts were destroyed and hundreds of colonists were killed or captured, with many more fleeing the region. Hostilities came to an end after British Army expeditions in 1764 led to peace negotiations over the next two years. The Native Americans were unable to drive away the British, but the uprising prompted the British government to modify the policies that had provoked the conflict.

TO BE CONTINUED-

The first two work. In the Whiskey Rebellion President Washington led troops to quell the rebellion and the insurrectionists accepted US taxation.

In the Utah War, Utah accepted a non-theorcacy and federal court power.

In the end, the Trumpbots will have to accept the election.

Not precisely accepted --- more forced on them.

In the 1960s Joan Baez was singing,

"Get you a copper kettle.
Get you some copper coil
Cover with new-made corn mash
And never more you'll toil . . . .

And now there is a cable TV show Moonshiners.

As for the Mormons, a lot of them STILL practice polygamy of many women to each man, and if there is ever a Mormon president, polygamy like that will be legal five minutes after he gets into the White House, IMO.

"At the height of the tensions, on September 11, 1857, between 95 and 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas, Missouri and other states, including unarmed men, women and children, were killed in remote southwestern Utah by a group of local Mormon militia.[10] They first claimed that the migrants were killed by Indians but it was proven otherwise. This event was later called the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the motives behind the incident remain unclear.[11] "

 

[Rye Catcher]

It's obvious that the intention of this mob was to stop the counting of the electoral votes - to undermine Democracy. That's violent insurrection.

Not very violent: good thread for comparing rebellions and riots of the past. Still, I agree, even though the violence was mild compared with most of these historical examples. Did anyone think of "Kansas, Bleeding Kansas"?

This was rebellion or insurrection. I think we probably need that at this time, with all the leftwing craziness and oppression going on, and there is no use pretending it was a "normal" black-type city riot. People came from states all over --- I heard them being interviewed.

BLM is a recent movement to a serious history of unmitigated violence perpetrated on young black men going back centuries in our country, the most recent race riots are documented here:

A Timeline of US Race Riots Since 1965

Disturbances in Minneapolis and elsewhere are just latest incidents of racially charged mayhem across country

www.voanews.com

The history of murders by Police Officers of black men in the past few years has become an epidemic. And yet most of the protesters, black, brown, white and native Americans walked peacefully on the streets of those cities where violence was prevalent. The black community has every right and a duty to express their peaceful distress to the violent use of unnecessary force, and yet the vast majority of them marched in peace.

The mob which vandalized our Capitol Building didn't march peacefully, they carried lethal weapons and used them in killing one Police Officer and wounding a dozen more. The same creeps are defending the wonton murder of the 17 yo punk who murdered two in Wisconsin. The only conclusion to be made from these events is the Mob is uncivilized anarchists, as is the killer arrested in Wisconsin.

They are not Republicans, yet some Republicans seem to have supported these heinous crimes. It's past time to come to grips with the foolish hate and fear rhetoric which came from the bully pulpit occupied by Donald J. Trump.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Hey, good, no GREAT news, Donald J. Trump has been impeached again. But I digress, we must hope that Trump is not so far out of touch with reality he will not incite again the Mob to engage in more violence and attempt to use lethal force against those who 232 bi-partisan members of the House of Rep.

Pogo was correct, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

 

[Rye Catcher]

"If you are asking for a legal definition for what trump did through his Trump Army, it is LEVYING WAR"

Prove that President Trump had something called a "Trump Army" and that he acted through that imaginary army to "levy war". Prove this legally in a court of law which is the only way that matters. Try. Please. The results should be hilarious.

So sad, need a tissue? Trump was impeached, a second time and you disliked my comment with an emoticon. I stated a bi-partisan vote impeached your President. Do you still continue to believe trump won the election, even when 60+ trier of facts (judges and justices) dismissed all of these efforts to convince the election was a fraud?

How long will you continue to post the real fraud, that being trump won the election?

 

[Circe]

"At the height of the tensions, on September 11, 1857, between 95 and 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas, Missouri and other states, including unarmed men, women and children, were killed in remote southwestern Utah by a group of local Mormon militia.[10] They first claimed that the migrants were killed by Indians but it was proven otherwise. This event was later called the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the motives behind the incident remain unclear.[11] "

I know about the Mountain Meadows Massacre and several other horrific scandals. I am no fan of Mormons.

 

[dudmuck]

"If you are asking for a legal definition for what trump did through his Trump Army, it is LEVYING WAR"

Prove that President Trump had something called a "Trump Army" and that he acted through that imaginary army to "levy war". Prove this legally in a court of law which is the only way that matters. Try. Please. The results should be hilarious.

A sitting president is never tried in a court of law, because a sitting president cannot be indicted.
The only recourse for a sitting president is impeachment.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"If you are asking for a legal definition for what trump did through his Trump Army, it is LEVYING WAR"

Prove that President Trump had something called a "Trump Army" and that he acted through that imaginary army to "levy war". Prove this legally in a court of law which is the only way that matters. Try. Please. The results should be hilarious.

So sad, need a tissue? Trump was impeached, a second time and you disliked my comment with an emoticon. I stated a bi-partisan vote impeached your President. Do you still continue to believe trump won the election, even when 60+ trier of facts (judges and justices) dismissed all of these efforts to convince the election was a fraud?

How long will you continue to post the real fraud, that being trump won the election?

My opinion is that that President Trump received a majority of the actual votes and that the tabulation of those votes was fraudulent. It should be obvious that a large percentage of Americans share that opinion but you are welcome to whatever silly-ass opinion you choose or are told to have. Is it a surprise to you that I sometimes disagree with court decisions? If so I hope you can withstand the shock. Pretty silly to claim that the posting of opinions on a site dedicated to the discussion of opinions is fraud.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"At the height of the tensions, on September 11, 1857, between 95 and 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas, Missouri and other states, including unarmed men, women and children, were killed in remote southwestern Utah by a group of local Mormon militia.[10] They first claimed that the migrants were killed by Indians but it was proven otherwise. This event was later called the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the motives behind the incident remain unclear.[11] "

I know about the Mountain Meadows Massacre and several other horrific scandals. I am no fan of Mormons.

Just wondered if you had missed that. The number of probable causalities was so much greater than the little conflict in DC I was interested in how folks would compare the two.

 

[Rye Catcher]

"If you are asking for a legal definition for what trump did through his Trump Army, it is LEVYING WAR"

Prove that President Trump had something called a "Trump Army" and that he acted through that imaginary army to "levy war". Prove this legally in a court of law which is the only way that matters. Try. Please. The results should be hilarious.

So sad, need a tissue? Trump was impeached, a second time and you disliked my comment with an emoticon. I stated a bi-partisan vote impeached your President. Do you still continue to believe trump won the election, even when 60+ trier of facts (judges and justices) dismissed all of these efforts to convince the election was a fraud?

How long will you continue to post the real fraud, that being trump won the election?

My opinion is that that President Trump received a majority of the actual votes and that the tabulation of those votes was fraudulent. It should be obvious that a large percentage of Americans share that opinion but you are welcome to whatever silly-ass opinion you choose or are told to have. Is it a surprise to you that I sometimes disagree with court decisions? If so I hope you can withstand the shock. Pretty silly to claim that the posting of opinions on a site dedicated to the discussion of opinions is fraud.

As I stated times again and again, you are out of touch with reality, and the result of your insane comments you've become a damn liar.

 

[Rye Catcher]

"At the height of the tensions, on September 11, 1857, between 95 and 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas, Missouri and other states, including unarmed men, women and children, were killed in remote southwestern Utah by a group of local Mormon militia.[10] They first claimed that the migrants were killed by Indians but it was proven otherwise. This event was later called the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the motives behind the incident remain unclear.[11] "

I know about the Mountain Meadows Massacre and several other horrific scandals. I am no fan of Mormons.

Just wondered if you had missed that. The number of probable causalities was so much greater than the little conflict in DC I was interested in how folks would compare the two.

As I said, you are nuts.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"If you are asking for a legal definition for what trump did through his Trump Army, it is LEVYING WAR"

Prove that President Trump had something called a "Trump Army" and that he acted through that imaginary army to "levy war". Prove this legally in a court of law which is the only way that matters. Try. Please. The results should be hilarious.

So sad, need a tissue? Trump was impeached, a second time and you disliked my comment with an emoticon. I stated a bi-partisan vote impeached your President. Do you still continue to believe trump won the election, even when 60+ trier of facts (judges and justices) dismissed all of these efforts to convince the election was a fraud?

How long will you continue to post the real fraud, that being trump won the election?

My opinion is that that President Trump received a majority of the actual votes and that the tabulation of those votes was fraudulent. It should be obvious that a large percentage of Americans share that opinion but you are welcome to whatever silly-ass opinion you choose or are told to have. Is it a surprise to you that I sometimes disagree with court decisions? If so I hope you can withstand the shock. Pretty silly to claim that the posting of opinions on a site dedicated to the discussion of opinions is fraud.

As I stated times again and again, you are out of touch with reality, and the result of your insane comments you've become a damn liar.

I probably believe you were once a law enforcement officer about as much as you believe my "lies".

 

[Rye Catcher]

"If you are asking for a legal definition for what trump did through his Trump Army, it is LEVYING WAR"

Prove that President Trump had something called a "Trump Army" and that he acted through that imaginary army to "levy war". Prove this legally in a court of law which is the only way that matters. Try. Please. The results should be hilarious.

So sad, need a tissue? Trump was impeached, a second time and you disliked my comment with an emoticon. I stated a bi-partisan vote impeached your President. Do you still continue to believe trump won the election, even when 60+ trier of facts (judges and justices) dismissed all of these efforts to convince the election was a fraud?

How long will you continue to post the real fraud, that being trump won the election?

My opinion is that that President Trump received a majority of the actual votes and that the tabulation of those votes was fraudulent. It should be obvious that a large percentage of Americans share that opinion but you are welcome to whatever silly-ass opinion you choose or are told to have. Is it a surprise to you that I sometimes disagree with court decisions? If so I hope you can withstand the shock. Pretty silly to claim that the posting of opinions on a site dedicated to the discussion of opinions is fraud.

As I stated times again and again, you are out of touch with reality, and the result of your insane comments you've become a damn liar.

I probably believe you were once a law enforcement officer about as much as you believe my "lies".

32 years asshole, and you are what I stated you are, insane and a dishonest asshole.

 

[Circe]

Just wondered if you had missed that. The number of probable causalities was so much greater than the little conflict in DC I was interested in how folks would compare the two.

This is an interesting point, and thanx to all history buffs who reminded us that there have been many more rebellions or conflicts in this country with much more than this flag-waving "Battle of Capitol Hill."

 

[NotfooledbyW]

That is a very long way from proving treason or insurrection or rebellion.

The government must prove the uncivil behavior by a huge mob that stormed the Nations’ Capitol had political goal.

The TrumpQ flagged mob was mobilized to keep a one term president, who lost in a landslide election, to serve a second term - by violent force and terrorism.

In other words a fascist rejection of our 240 years of democratic peaceful transition of power because TrumpQ refuses to accept the fact that an 8 million more Americans who voted what his sorry stinking fascist ass out of the White House and the sooner the

 

[bripat9643]

It’s not a matter of ‘want.’

It is a fact – settled, accepted, and beyond dispute – that the Trump-incited attack on America’s democracy was both treasonous insurrection and lawless rebellion.

It's fact, settled, accepted, and beyond dispute that you're a NAZI moron. The Dim NAZIs are the ones who are destorying democracy. Trump didn't impose censorshop. Democrats did. Trump isn't trying to cancel anyone because he disagrees with them. Democrats are.

 

[9thIDdoc]

That is a very long way from proving treason or insurrection or rebellion.

The government must prove the uncivil behavior by a huge mob that stormed the Nations’ Capitol had political goal.

The TrumpQ flagged mob was mobilized to keep a one term president, who lost in a landslide election, to serve a second term - by violent force and terrorism.

In other words a fascist rejection of our 240 years of democratic peaceful transition of power because TrumpQ refuses to accept the fact that an 8 million more Americans who voted what his sorry stinking fascist ass out of the White House and the sooner the

"The government must prove the uncivil behavior by a huge mob that stormed the Nations’ Capitol had political goal."
Good luck with that. They would also need to prove that individuals can be held responsible for acts committed by someone else even if they had no knowledge or participated in the planning or execution of such acts much like being seated on the same plane as a criminal. Crime is contagious? Is "storming" a crime? What is the legal definition of it?

"The TrumpQ flagged mob was mobilized to keep a one term president, who lost in a landslide election, to serve a second term - by violent force and terrorism."
Good luck proving why the mob was mobilized what their intent was or that either was illegal.

"In other words a fascist rejection of our 240 years of democratic peaceful transition of power because TrumpQ refuses to accept the fact that an 8 million more Americans who voted what his sorry stinking fascist ass out of the White House and the sooner the"

Last I heard the American "Civil" war was not nearly that long ago and it is rumored that violence was involved. Prove that any violence was involved in the current transition of power. Or that 8 million more Americans voted for Biden than Trump for that matter. You just really love begging the question don't you?