So I take it the Bidens shake down emerging nations...

[Norman]

After Trump has been found innocent on all counts, it is Biden's turn. I doubt he will be found innocent on any...

 

[colfax_m]

Exactly what I expected from you.

You can always expect the truth and facts from me.

I don't come to USMB and just call a report fake news out of hand. You should know that by now.

I've read your posts. I don't really care if you believe the bullshit you spout. It's still bullshit.

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Shokin was corrupt. You want us to subsidize a country with a corrupt PG?

 

[Care4all]

Ya know the ones that want America's help. Of course if you want America's help then some of that taxpayer money has to be reinvested back to the Bidens'
Quite a racket they've got going there.

There might be a lot more Dems on the Ukraine payroll

Giuliani and Perry are democrats?

 

[bripat9643]

You can always expect the truth and facts from me.

I don't come to USMB and just call a report fake news out of hand. You should know that by now.

I've read your posts. I don't really care if you believe the bullshit you spout. It's still bullshit.

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

This is a myth.

 

[ESay]

Ya know the ones that want America's help. Of course if you want America's help then some of that taxpayer money has to be reinvested back to the Bidens'
Quite a racket they've got going there.

Sure Biden got over $3 million. But it's even worse than that.

The Obama administration orchestrated the bloody 2014 coup against the democratically elected government in Ukraine and installed a puppet neo-Nazi government. This coup split Ukraine and handed the Crimean peninsula to Putin.

So what did Putin give the Dems in return for Crimea? What was the quid pro quo there? I'm sure it dwarfs the mere $3 million that Biden got.

Dude, can you even point Ukraine on a map?

 

[ESay]

After the fact approval is meaningless. Prove that he did it at the official direction of US policy

Don't be silly. The entire EU had been pushing to remove that prosecutor long before Biden's remark. Members of congress are on record doing the same.

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Prominent Republican senators, including Rob Portman of Ohio and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, were on a similar push at the time, calling for “urgent reforms to the prosecutor-general’s office and judiciary” in an early 2016 letter to Mr Poroshenko.

It's behind a paywall, moron. It's also post hoc, which means it proves nothing.

Similar story. Different link.
3 GOP senators called for Ukrainian government reform in 2016 letter

Nowhere does the article say that these senators asked specifically for Ukraine to fire Shokin.

You are just thrashing around now. Biden's demand wasn't the first time the EU showed an interest in removing Shokin. They had been pushing for that for a while. You accusing the EU of trying to protect Hunter Biden too?
EU hails sacking of Ukraine’s prosecutor Viktor Shokin
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Shokin was Poroshenko's stooge. He did his best to thwart the reform of General Prosecutor's office.

 

[BULLDOG]

I've read your posts. I don't really care if you believe the bullshit you spout. It's still bullshit.

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

This is a myth.

It's all documented. The myth is the absurd story Trumpsters came up with.

 

[bripat9643]

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

This is a myth.

It's all documented. The myth is the absurd story Trumpsters came up with.

Then show us the documentation - contemporary documentation, not post hoc excuse making.

 

[BULLDOG]

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

This is a myth.

It's all documented. The myth is the absurd story Trumpsters came up with.

Then show us the documentation - contemporary documentation, not post hoc excuse making.

You've been shown in this thread but you refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

This is a myth.

It's all documented. The myth is the absurd story Trumpsters came up with.

Then show us the documentation - contemporary documentation, not post hoc excuse making.

You've been shown in this thread but you refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

Nope. You showed post hoc excuse making.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

This is a myth.

It's all documented. The myth is the absurd story Trumpsters came up with.

Then show us the documentation - contemporary documentation, not post hoc excuse making.

You've been shown in this thread but you refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

Nope. You showed post hoc excuse making.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. You refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

 

[bripat9643]

This is a myth.

It's all documented. The myth is the absurd story Trumpsters came up with.

Then show us the documentation - contemporary documentation, not post hoc excuse making.

You've been shown in this thread but you refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

Nope. You showed post hoc excuse making.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. You refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

I refuse anything that doesn't prove your point. What politicians claim after an event has occurred is absolutely meaningless. When did they ever not try to spin events in their favor?

 

[BULLDOG]

It's all documented. The myth is the absurd story Trumpsters came up with.

Then show us the documentation - contemporary documentation, not post hoc excuse making.

You've been shown in this thread but you refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

Nope. You showed post hoc excuse making.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. You refuse to allow anything that doesn't conform to that orange fools claims to enter your tiny brain.

I refuse anything that doesn't prove your point. What politicians claim after an event has occurred is absolutely meaningless. When did they ever not try to spin events in their favor?

You're a lost cause. I don't believe any sane person will ever be able to get through to you. Believe what you want.

 

[Muhammed]

You can always expect the truth and facts from me.

I don't come to USMB and just call a report fake news out of hand. You should know that by now.

I've read your posts. I don't really care if you believe the bullshit you spout. It's still bullshit.

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

So what, that doesn't make it any less of a crime.

That's like saying to the police, "Yeah, I robbed the bank, but Vinnie and Guido said it's OK". It does not absolve you from the crime.

 

[Muhammed]

You can always expect the truth and facts from me.

I don't come to USMB and just call a report fake news out of hand. You should know that by now.

I've read your posts. I don't really care if you believe the bullshit you spout. It's still bullshit.

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Shokin was corrupt. You want us to subsidize a country with a corrupt PG?

Why is it that none of you moonbats who keep insisting that Shokin was corrupt can ever cite a law that he violated? He's never been charged with a crime, let alone convicted of a crime.

You have no evidence that PG Shokin was corrupt. You just believe he was corrupt because, like all LWNJ moonbats, your feeble mind is easily brainwashed via repeated messaging.

Biden had him replaced with PG Lutsenko, somebody who he knew was corrupt because he just got out of prison for corruption. And BTW, Lutsenko is currently facing more corruption charges and has fled the country.

So Biden got the honest PG, who was investigating Burisma, replaced with a corrupt puppet who had served prison time for corruption, never practiced law, and never even went to law school. He no qualifications whatsoever.

THINK!

 

[BULLDOG]

I've read your posts. I don't really care if you believe the bullshit you spout. It's still bullshit.

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

So what, that doesn't make it any less of a crime.

That's like saying to the police, "Yeah, I robbed the bank, but Vinnie and Guido said it's OK". It does not absolve you from the crime.

It's nothing like that, and you know it. Ukraine had a reputation for corruption, but the new leadership was trying to move past that, and needed help from the US and the EU to do it. The prosecutor was corrupt and had to go before they could get the aid. It wasn't a surprise. It wasn't the first time that corrupt prosecutor had been discussed.

 

[Muhammed]

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

So what, that doesn't make it any less of a crime.

That's like saying to the police, "Yeah, I robbed the bank, but Vinnie and Guido said it's OK". It does not absolve you from the crime.

It's nothing like that, and you know it. Ukraine had a reputation for corruption, but the new leadership was trying to move past that, and needed help from the US and the EU to do it. The prosecutor was corrupt and had to go before they could get the aid. It wasn't a surprise. It wasn't the first time that corrupt prosecutor had been discussed.

Where is your evidence that Shokin was corrupt? When you say he was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he committed a crime. Can you at least cite the law that you believe he violated? Shokin has never even been charged with a crime, let alone convicted.

However, Biden knew with 100% certainty that Lutsenko was corrupt because he had recently done prison time for a corruption conviction when Biden had his puppet installed into the PGO.

If Biden was concerned that there was a corrupt prosecutor general, then why the fuck did hold back the $1 billion loan guarantee until the day after a corrupt PG was installed?

How the fuck do you explain that?

The facts are 100% at odds with the narrative that your feeble mind has been so easily brainwashed into believing via repeated messaging from the fake news media.

 

[BULLDOG]

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

So what, that doesn't make it any less of a crime.

That's like saying to the police, "Yeah, I robbed the bank, but Vinnie and Guido said it's OK". It does not absolve you from the crime.

It's nothing like that, and you know it. Ukraine had a reputation for corruption, but the new leadership was trying to move past that, and needed help from the US and the EU to do it. The prosecutor was corrupt and had to go before they could get the aid. It wasn't a surprise. It wasn't the first time that corrupt prosecutor had been discussed.

Where is your evidence that Shokin was corrupt? When you say he was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he committed a crime. Can you at least cite the law that you believe he violated? Shokin has never even been charged with a crime, let alone convicted.

However, Biden knew with 100% certainty that Lutsenko was corrupt because he had recently done prison time for a corruption conviction.

If Biden was concerned that there was a corrupt prosecutor general, then why the fuck did hold back the $1 billion loan guarantee until the day after a corrupt PG was installed?

How the fuck do you explain that?

The facts are 100% at odds with the narrative that your feeble mind has been so easily brainwashed into believing.

Not my job to inform you. Look it up if you are interested. The information is easy to find.

 

[ESay]

I've read your posts. I don't really care if you believe the bullshit you spout. It's still bullshit.

I understand that to most of you Democrats do not hold facts and truth in very high regard. Personally, I don't refer to the facts and truth as "bullshit". I revere truth, facts and logic. They are my holy trinity.

There’s not much in the way of facts behind the accusations against Biden.

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Shokin was corrupt. You want us to subsidize a country with a corrupt PG?

Why is it that none of you moonbats who keep insisting that Shokin was corrupt can ever cite a law that he violated? He's never been charged with a crime, let alone convicted of a crime.

You have no evidence that PG Shokin was corrupt. You just believe he was corrupt because, like all LWNJ moonbats, your feeble mind is easily brainwashed via repeated messaging.

Biden had him replaced with PG Lutsenko, somebody who he knew was corrupt because he just got out of prison for corruption. And BTW, Lutsenko is currently facing more corruption charges and has fled the country.

So Biden got the honest PG, who was investigating Burisma, replaced with a corrupt puppet who had served prison time for corruption, never practiced law, and never even went to law school. He no qualifications whatsoever.

THINK!

Dude, I am sure that you have never heard about so called diamond prosecutors, never heard about his attempts to thwart reforms of PG's office, that members of the parliament began signing a petition for Shokin's removal from the office before Biden's claims, that Shokin's disapproval rating was more than 70% among the Ukrainians and so on.

Do you can find Ukraine on a map?

 

[Muhammed]

Bullshit. Biden was caught on a live stream confessing that he threatened president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatsenyuk. He threatened to hold back the $1 billion US treasury backed loan guarantee unless they fired PG Shokin and replaced him with a corrupt PG.

Yes. And he did it with the full support of American foreign policy, the congress and the EU who had also been urging the removal of Shokin. In 2016, Rob Portman, the co-chair The Ukraine caucus, and others sent a letter to Ukraine urging them to reform the Prosecutor General's office as well as other agencies. Shokin was the head of that Prosecutor General's office. The EU, who was also involved in helping Ukraine, had also expressed concern about Shokin. They even released a statement expressing their satisfaction at Shokin's firing.

So what, that doesn't make it any less of a crime.

That's like saying to the police, "Yeah, I robbed the bank, but Vinnie and Guido said it's OK". It does not absolve you from the crime.

It's nothing like that, and you know it. Ukraine had a reputation for corruption, but the new leadership was trying to move past that, and needed help from the US and the EU to do it. The prosecutor was corrupt and had to go before they could get the aid. It wasn't a surprise. It wasn't the first time that corrupt prosecutor had been discussed.

Where is your evidence that Shokin was corrupt? When you say he was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he committed a crime. Can you at least cite the law that you believe he violated? Shokin has never even been charged with a crime, let alone convicted.

However, Biden knew with 100% certainty that Lutsenko was corrupt because he had recently done prison time for a corruption conviction.

If Biden was concerned that there was a corrupt prosecutor general, then why the fuck did hold back the $1 billion loan guarantee until the day after a corrupt PG was installed?

How the fuck do you explain that?

The facts are 100% at odds with the narrative that your feeble mind has been so easily brainwashed into believing.

Not my job to inform you. Look it up if you are interested. The information is easy to find.

Your concession that you cannot back up your ridiculous claim is accepted.