Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

[EMH]

How did you come to that stupid conclusion?

Then you can explain how THE SUN (all bow, worship, Faux "News" pushes the "solar cycle" and doesn't tell its MORON audience that "solar cycle" was funded by and put out by the Co2 fraud for MORON SKEPTICS to PARROT)

melted North America and froze Greenland AT THE SAME TIME....

Because that's what happened, and oh by the way it eliminates both SUN and ATMOSPHERE as suspects (hint Co2 in atmosphere)

How is the Sun responsible for the Antarctic Circle having more than 9 times the ice of the Arctic Circle?

How is the Sun responsible for ice on Greenland south of Arctic Circle and trees and moose north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?


Is this controlled demolition, science genius???

 

[EMH]

Holy God Almighty! Have you ever heard of a solar flare? A CME? The Carrington event (1859)?

How about our magnetosphere which block solar radiation...or not...is that a "constant" as well?

The Faux crowd insists, only PARROTING Faux matters...

Solar flare, CME, so what, once in a blue moon a CME hits Earth... so what... MAGNETIC FIELD BLOCKS IT...

Which is a good thing...

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR STFU and go back to worshipping W and Col Tim Osman...

 

[miketx]

Then you can explain how THE SUN (all bow, worship, Faux "News" pushes the "solar cycle" and doesn't tell its MORON audience that "solar cycle" was funded by and put out by the Co2 fraud for MORON SKEPTICS to PARROT)

melted North America and froze Greenland AT THE SAME TIME....

Because that's what happened, and oh by the way it eliminates both SUN and ATMOSPHERE as suspects (hint Co2 in atmosphere)

How is the Sun responsible for the Antarctic Circle having more than 9 times the ice of the Arctic Circle?

How is the Sun responsible for ice on Greenland south of Arctic Circle and trees and moose north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?


Is this controlled demolition, science genius???

All you know is what the media tells you .Shut up.

 

[EMH]

What causes it? Democrat scum. eradicate them all.

The definition of "ice age" originated before we understood the plates move, that land moves. It was originally thought that glaciation on southern South America was because Antarctic ice, from its current position grew out over ocean and glaciated SA as part of the horror movie version of "ice age" where the whole planet freezes up all at once. That is complete BS nonsense.

AA and SA were attached when they broke off from Pangea (south Africa) and only recently (past 20-30 million years ) separated.

An ICE AGE is a CONTINENT SPECIFIC EVENT and we know this because the ice does not grow out over ocean, it breaks off, as Greenland and Antarctica demonstrate. An ICE AGE like AA starts when land gets to within approximately 600 miles to a pole. There, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt, and hence starts to STACK. STACK for a million years and you get Greenland. STACK for 40 million years and you get AA.

which explains why SA glaciated at the time...

You can see the breakup here, and the Andes and TransAntarctic mountains are the same range caused by the same tectonic plate movement...

Ice ages like the recent North American Ice Age end when the plate moves beyond 600 miles from the pole...

 

[miketx]

The definition of "ice age" originated before we understood the plates move, that land moves. It was originally thought that glaciation on southern South America was because Antarctic ice, from its current position grew out over ocean and glaciated SA as part of the horror movie version of "ice age" where the whole planet freezes up all at once. That is complete BS nonsense.

AA and SA were attached when they broke off from Pangea (south Africa) and only recently (past 20-30 million years ) separated.

An ICE AGE is a CONTINENT SPECIFIC EVENT and we know this because the ice does not grow out over ocean, it breaks off, as Greenland and Antarctica demonstrate. An ICE AGE like AA starts when land gets to within approximately 600 miles to a pole. There, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt, and hence starts to STACK. STACK for a million years and you get Greenland. STACK for 40 million years and you get AA.

which explains why SA glaciated at the time...

You can see the breakup here, and the Andes and TransAntarctic mountains are the same range caused by the same tectonic plate movement...

Ice ages like the recent North American Ice Age end when the plate moves beyond 600 miles from the pole...

Listen imbecile, all you know is what the media tells you. You are an idiot. No one knows what happened millions of years ago. Liar.

 

[EMH]

Listen imbecile, all you know is what the media tells you. You are an idiot. No one knows what happened millions of years ago. Liar.

Once again, the IQ of the Faux addict is about 3 on average...

The Sun is a CONSTANT for Earth climate change. It did not freeze Greenland and melt North America at the same time. If you cannot understand that, then go back to telling us when Jesus will float down from the clouds.

This thread is for the LAND NEAR THE POLES theory of Earth climate change, yet to be refuted in any way...

 

[EMH]

During a time when Greenland was being pushed NW by the fault in the center of the Atlantic...


Top of Northern Greenland totally green 2 million years ago...

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

www.nature.com

Center of Greenland went from forest to ice age 400k-800k years ago

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com

Vikings settled southern Greenland until 1400s when frozen off... named it GREENland because on the southern tip it was GREEN when they found it, but it isn't green anymore...



Ice from North American Ice Age still on Chicago 20k years ago and Indiana 10k years ago...



GREENLAND FROZE while NORTH AMERICA THAWED

 

[Muhammed]

Then you can explain how THE SUN

You are dodging the question.

Why are you dodging the question, moron?

 

[EMH]

You are dodging the question.

Why are you dodging the question, moron?

To get the right answer in science, you need to explain the data. The SUN does not do that. Co2 does not do that. Land Near The Poles does, 100%.

And that is why nobody here can refute any of it.

As for who is dodging questions, you were asked, among other questions you refused to answer, how the Sun froze Greenland and thawed North America at the same time, and you couldn't answer it, because the Sun did not do that, and neither did Co2. Tectonic plate movement did.

It is funny that, when given the ACTUAL CORRECT ANSWER that REFUTES Co2 completely, the Faux crowd shouts it down...

LOL!!!

Then again, to watch and believe Faux, you have to be a SCIENCE INVALID, otherwise you'd notice 911 was a complete fraud... in which case you wouldn't pay much attention to Faux....

One has to wonder, if the Faux "news" crowd doesn't want to refute the Co2 fraud, is it "conservative" and "patriotic to America," or a bunch of religious science invalid whackos incapable of defining the word "conservative," obsessed with supporting the country that actually did 911, and who think war in the Middle East will cause an ancient charlatan to float down from the clouds still in his 30s....

 

[Muhammed]

To get the right answer in science, you need to explain the data. The SUN does not do that. Co2 does not do that. Land Near The Poles does, 100%.

And that is why nobody here can refute any of it.

As for who is dodging questions, you were asked, among other questions you refused to answer, how the Sun froze Greenland

I never claimed that the sun froze Greenland, you fucking clueless moron.

You are an idiot.

 

[EMH]

I never claimed that the sun froze Greenland, you fucking clueless moron.

You are an idiot.

The actual question, repeated over and over for months, is

how did the Sun melt North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?


Reading comprehension required to understand question - first grade

 

[Leo123]

The actual question, repeated over and over for months, is

how did the Sun melt North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?


Reading comprehension required to understand question - first grade

North America is closer to the equator?

 

[EMH]

North America is closer to the equator?

It is now. It wasn't 50 million years ago. And that's the biggest clue of all.

north america moving southwest tectonics - Google Search

The North American plate is moving to the west-southwest at about 2.3 cm (~1 inch) per year driven by the spreading center that created the Atlantic Ocean, the Mid Atlantic Ridge.


NA was moving NW until approximately 30 million years ago, when it passed its "closest to the pole" position and then moved SW on the same vector on a sphere. Greenland has been moving NW on the same vector. Greenland got to the "600 miles to the pole" in the past 2 million years and hence went into ice age. North America, save Ellesmere Island, which was not an island 50 million years ago, just moved out of the "600 miles to the pole" and hence its 30-50 million year continent specific ice age has ended.


The angle of the fault in the North Atlantic is the key. Pushing Greenland NW into ice age while pushing Europe SE - why Europe's glaciers are melting...

 

[Ringo]

Dr. Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, who has been defending ecology and the environment for more than 50 years, claims that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not only not making the Earth worse, it is making it better. ( WHAT?! NO WAY!)

Patrick Moore also argues that there is no evidence that man-made carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for global warming.

Moore, who left the leadership of Greenpeace after 15 years of involvement in it, now criticizes the environmental movement for using scare tactics and misinformation. He says the movement has "abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism."

Debunking the news reports, Moore said when Greenpeace began, it had a strong humanitarian orientation to save civilization from destruction by total nuclear war.

"Over the years, the 'peaceful direction' in Greenpeace has gradually been lost, and my organization, along with much of the environmental movement, has come to believe that humans are the enemies of the earth. However, there are very good reasons to believe that humans, on the contrary, are essential to the survival of life on our planet," Moore believes.

"Today our children and our public are taught that CO2 is a toxic pollutant that will destroy life and bring civilization to its knees. Yet man's CO2 emissions have already saved life on our planet from a premature end. If we didn't dump some of the carbon back into the atmosphere where it originally came from, most or perhaps all life on Earth would begin to die out.

 

[EMH]

Dr. Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, who has been defending ecology and the environment for more than 50 years, claims that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not only not making the Earth worse, it is making it better. ( WHAT?!)

Patrick Moore also argues that there is no evidence that man-made carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for global warming.

Moore, who left the leadership of Greenpeace after 15 years of involvement in it, now criticizes the environmental movement for using scare tactics and misinformation. He says the movement has "abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism."

Debunking the news reports, Moore said when Greenpeace began, it had a strong humanitarian orientation to save civilization from destruction by total nuclear war.

"Over the years, the 'peaceful direction' in Greenpeace has gradually been lost, and my organization, along with much of the environmental movement, has come to believe that humans are the enemies of the earth. However, there are very good reasons to believe that humans, on the contrary, are essential to the survival of life on our planet," Moore believes.

"Today our children and our public are taught that CO2 is a toxic pollutant that will destroy life and bring civilization to its knees. Yet man's CO2 emissions have already saved life on our planet from a premature end. If we didn't dump some of the carbon back into the atmosphere where it originally came from, most or perhaps all life on Earth would begin to die out.

Greenpeace used to be about the environment. Since Global Warming is such an obvious fraud, many, including Moore, have left the organization because it does nothing to help the actual environment, but instead sucks up all taxdollars for the environment and lies and misdiagnoses real problems like fresh water depletion...

The Co2 fraud is the greatest crime ever against the actual environment. Trillions spent on a lie, nothing done to help the environment, and an endless means to make taxdollars vanish while doing nothing except enriching fudge baking liars.

 

[2aguy]

To state that CO2 - does nothing in regards to climate change IMO - is incorrect.

Everyone knows that people when they exhale (e.g. talking) , they emit CO2
The ones who never stop talking are Lefties&libs, so...??

And leftists, since 1917, have a solution for people breathing.......

 

[Stryder50]

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice.

What are the parameters of climate that can change?

Ocean levels
Atmospheric thickness
Temperature
Humidity


What controls those?

The amount of ice on the planet. Period. Ocean level is 100% inversely correlated to Earth ice content (on land, not sea ice, which is pathetically small) - duh. Trapped in ice age glacier is compressed gas. When it snows 10 feet, you can compress that into a few inches of ice, and the rest is air, which also gets compressed, when it is under 100k years of ice layers on top of it. When that ice melts, that compressed air is released back into the atmosphere, making it denser. Clearly more ice makes things colder, but it is the discrepancy between the polar circles today that is key to understanding Earth climate change and how it occurs.

90% of Earth Ice is on Antarctica
7% is on Greenland

97% of Earth ice is on the two land masses closest to the poles.... and land moves.

Air that passes over the Antarctic Circle cools 50F (58F from the above image) more than air that passes over Arctic.

Antarctica also puts 9 times the ice into the oceans, some 46 times the H2O the Mississippi River puts in the Gulf, and that ice is colder than Arctic ice.


The Antarctic Circle cools Earth much more than the Arctic Circle does.


All about land near the poles. And land moves.

Kind of a chicken or egg thing.
It is ranges of weather that determine climate.
Climate has a number of types across the planet;

Above just for examples.

 

[Stryder50]

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice.

What are the parameters of climate that can change?

Ocean levels
Atmospheric thickness
Temperature
Humidity


What controls those?

The amount of ice on the planet. Period. Ocean level is 100% inversely correlated to Earth ice content (on land, not sea ice, which is pathetically small) - duh. Trapped in ice age glacier is compressed gas. When it snows 10 feet, you can compress that into a few inches of ice, and the rest is air, which also gets compressed, when it is under 100k years of ice layers on top of it. When that ice melts, that compressed air is released back into the atmosphere, making it denser. Clearly more ice makes things colder, but it is the discrepancy between the polar circles today that is key to understanding Earth climate change and how it occurs.

90% of Earth Ice is on Antarctica
7% is on Greenland

97% of Earth ice is on the two land masses closest to the poles.... and land moves.

Air that passes over the Antarctic Circle cools 50F (58F from the above image) more than air that passes over Arctic.

Antarctica also puts 9 times the ice into the oceans, some 46 times the H2O the Mississippi River puts in the Gulf, and that ice is colder than Arctic ice.


The Antarctic Circle cools Earth much more than the Arctic Circle does.


All about land near the poles. And land moves.

Perhaps a look at "climate" over long stretches of time may help.
Especially those Ice Ages.
Selected excerpts (note part of this link has text genuflecting to the religion of ACC/AGW.
...

Ice Ages – What Are They And What Causes Them?​

...
An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when glaciers retreat (called interglacials or interglacial cycles) and colder temperatures when glaciers advance (called glacials or glacial cycles).


At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth’s history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago. The last period of glaciation, which is often informally called the “Ice Age,” peaked about 20,000 years ago. At that time, the world was on average probably about 10°F (5°C) colder than today, and locally as much as 40°F (22°C) colder.
...
One significant trigger in initiating ice ages is the changing positions of Earth’s ever-moving continents, which affect ocean and atmospheric circulation patterns. When plate-tectonic movement causes continents to be arranged such that warm water flow from the equator to the poles is blocked or reduced, ice sheets may arise and set another ice age in motion. Today’s ice age most likely began when the land bridge between North and South America (Isthmus of Panama) formed and ended the exchange of tropical water between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, significantly altering ocean currents.


Glacials and interglacials occur in fairly regular repeated cycles. The timing is governed to a large degree by predictable cyclic changes in Earth’s orbit, which affect the amount of sunlight reaching different parts of Earth’s surface. The three orbital variations are: (1) changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun (eccentricity), (2) shifts in the tilt of Earth’s axis (obliquity), and (3) the wobbling motion of Earth’s axis (precession).
...
Records show that ice ages typically develop slowly, whereas they end more abruptly. Glacials and interglacials within an ice age display this same trend.

On a shorter time scale, global temperatures fluctuate often and rapidly. Various records reveal numerous large, widespread, abrupt climate changes over the past 100,000 years. One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more. For example, as Earth was emerging out of the last glacial cycle, the warming trend was interrupted 12,800 years ago when temperatures dropped dramatically in only several decades. A mere 1,300 years later, temperatures locally spiked as much as 20°F (11°C) within just several years. Sudden changes like this occurred at least 24 times during the past 100,000 years. In a relative sense, we are in a time of unusually stable temperatures today—how long will it last?
...

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? - Utah Geological Survey

An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when...

geology.utah.gov

Below are two charts included in the article;

Now compare these with this one of CO2 and temperature levels;

And this one;

Throughout most of the history shown in the above two, CO2 and temperature levels have been substantially higher than at present.

When we track such over past 40 or 150, or 200+ years we are looking a minute place on the above scales and what appears to be an anomalous situation only within that short perspective. Compared to most of the history in these graphs, Earth has been colder for most of the time.

 

[EMH]

Perhaps a look at "climate" over long stretches of time may help.
Especially those Ice Ages.
Selected excerpts (note part of this link has text genuflecting to the religion of ACC/AGW.
...

Ice Ages – What Are They And What Causes Them?​

...
An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when glaciers retreat (called interglacials or interglacial cycles) and colder temperatures when glaciers advance (called glacials or glacial cycles).


At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth’s history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago. The last period of glaciation, which is often informally called the “Ice Age,” peaked about 20,000 years ago. At that time, the world was on average probably about 10°F (5°C) colder than today, and locally as much as 40°F (22°C) colder.
...
One significant trigger in initiating ice ages is the changing positions of Earth’s ever-moving continents, which affect ocean and atmospheric circulation patterns. When plate-tectonic movement causes continents to be arranged such that warm water flow from the equator to the poles is blocked or reduced, ice sheets may arise and set another ice age in motion. Today’s ice age most likely began when the land bridge between North and South America (Isthmus of Panama) formed and ended the exchange of tropical water between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, significantly altering ocean currents.


Glacials and interglacials occur in fairly regular repeated cycles. The timing is governed to a large degree by predictable cyclic changes in Earth’s orbit, which affect the amount of sunlight reaching different parts of Earth’s surface. The three orbital variations are: (1) changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun (eccentricity), (2) shifts in the tilt of Earth’s axis (obliquity), and (3) the wobbling motion of Earth’s axis (precession).
...
Records show that ice ages typically develop slowly, whereas they end more abruptly. Glacials and interglacials within an ice age display this same trend.

On a shorter time scale, global temperatures fluctuate often and rapidly. Various records reveal numerous large, widespread, abrupt climate changes over the past 100,000 years. One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more. For example, as Earth was emerging out of the last glacial cycle, the warming trend was interrupted 12,800 years ago when temperatures dropped dramatically in only several decades. A mere 1,300 years later, temperatures locally spiked as much as 20°F (11°C) within just several years. Sudden changes like this occurred at least 24 times during the past 100,000 years. In a relative sense, we are in a time of unusually stable temperatures today—how long will it last?
...

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? - Utah Geological Survey

An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when...

geology.utah.gov

Below are two charts included in the article;

Now compare these with this one of CO2 and temperature levels;

And this one;

Throughout most of the history shown in the above two, CO2 and temperature levels have been substantially higher than at present.

When we track such over past 40 or 150, or 200+ years we are looking a minute place on the above scales and what appears to be an anomalous situation only within that short perspective. Compared to most of the history in these graphs, Earth has been colder for most of the time.

The best data we have is today's data. It must be explained. To explain the data, the continent specific ice age is batting 1,000.

The continent specific ice age also completely explains North America thawing while Greenland froze, and Europe's glaciers melting.


The Co2 fraud is spending billions of taxdollars on a "problem" they've known all along is complete fraud, the deliberate misinterpretation of urban heat sink effect on Surface Ground temps, which are largely measured in growing urban areas.



After this...

obama climate silence 2010 2012 - Google Search

www.google.com

is when what was called North American Ice Age got "remade" into "Milankovich Cycles," which are laughable BS when checked by the data we have. I call that McBullshit. The claim is that 2.5 mile thick ice recently on Chicago, the ice that dug the Great Lakes, started in northern canada and in only 75k years had 2.5 thick mile ice on Chicago. That is laughable. We had this issue out here. Have some fun...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

www.usmessageboard.com

homO observed an FBI fraud case against the warmers, showed it to the warmers, hid it in the closet, and the warmers re-wrote North American Ice Age and more into McBullshit... to try to obscure how obvious it is that land near the poles/tectonic movement is the 99% driver of Earth climate change...


2.5 mile thick glaciers on Antarctica have produced 800k years of ice core data, and the researchers think they can get way more, so.... it must be, what 75k years old...

LOL!!


That is McBullshit

 

[LuckyDuck]

We have to remember that mankind/womankind/whateverkind, has only kept track of Earth's weather for 137 years and the Earth is 4 billion years old. Based upon research, Antarctica once had a temperate climate with animal life and we also know that the Earth also had an Ice Age period, so the planet goes through variations in climate, with or without us and eventually, no matter what we do, the planet will die, along with all lifeforms, as the sun swells in size.