CDZ Signatures, they affect how people take your posts

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  1. Xelor
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    Do you hold elected office? I'm gonna hope if you do, it's not one that can have an impact on me. Where a society disperses political power equally to the holders of political power is found nothing other than a society that achieves very little of note. Talk about gridlock....
     
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    Wait till you see next months
     
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    Well, my sig contains some brief video highlights of past grassroots projects that we organized and saw through. Sign waves, street marches, getting people to the conventions and speeches and whatnot. We were doubling the other GOP candidates' event crowds. In the end, the media blacked us out, they didn't report our numbers, they put other candidates next to our numbers on their teleprompters, we trained and won the delegates but the GOP stole em from us and made rule #40 so we couldn't speak at the convention, then you got Trump as a consequence of rule #40. lolol. So, now it's back to the drawing board. Educating for liberty. And planning the next sneak attack.
     
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    Dear Xelor:
    What I mean by that is equal representation.
    Not everyone has equal ability to make decisions in all areas, "much less for other people"
    (which should only be by consent of those people anyway).
    So I am saying they need to make decisions FOR THEMSELVES
    in THAT sense we are equally in charge of our OWN consent and representation.
    And the way to 'get things done' is to organize with OTHERS who
    consent to the SAME ideas and approaches as we do!

    Now, after we select our means of representing OURSELVES
    then "public policy" is based on where the public agrees.
    So that limits govt to just the basics as already prescribed in the Constitution.

    the whole point was to reserve more power to the states and people
    where we can represent and govern ourselves democratically.

    And yes Xelor it does take organizing in enough SMALLER groups
    where people CAN make effective decisions where it doesn't gridlock.

    It only gridlocks when you have too much traffic bottlenecking
    that can't possibly be represented individually on a COLLECTIVE scale concentrated into
    a centralized govt.

    If we localize it, and organize by LIKEMINDED groups,
    then people can learn to manage their own affairs per district.
    In fact, I am arguing that this level of training and experience
    with property and program management at the local level is NECESSARY for
    people to have equal rights and protections of the law. We have to
    have basic education and working knowledge in laws and mgmt process
    if we are going to have equal rights. Once you know how the system works,
    SURE, you can relegate duties and representation to others to govern you,
    but only after you are fully informed so you can check govt from abuses.

    Nobody would have power except by consent. And that will prevent abuses
    where people can manage things locally themselves if they don't agree with each other.
     
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    BTW Xelor if I did hold any office that affected you,
    it would be one that allows me to support you in representing yourself,
    picking which reps or party or platforms you support and agree to fund with your taxes,
    and build programs around that which respect your consent and beliefs.

    And do that for each person, each group, each district, party, platform etc.
    Where everyone gets to invest their resources and labor into what they believe.
    Then organize all these groups according to their mission, beliefs and platforms
    and make sure all the work is covered that needs to get done.
    without violating anyone's beliefs or right to representation
    of the policies they agree to be under and where their taxes or money goes.

    if there is a shortfall in one area and a surplus in another,
    then the groups in charge can choose to borrow or lend back and forth
    until the problem is solved causing the imbalance in the budget.
    But it's by free choice not forcing taxpayers to pay for things
    they don't agree with under terms that benefit one side but disparage another.

    So people would have to agree on plans that solve problems
    and are worth investing in businesswise, the plans must be
    cost effective and sustainable in order to earn support of taxpayers,
    lenders, investors or donors. Not force taxation without representation
    which is tyranny!
     
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    What can I say after that gem of an explanation.
     
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    Well, in those cases that the sig says something that is clearly partisan bs or asinine it is simply an acknowledgment that you agree with Bill Engvall and are willingly participating in his goal:



    I can see that there are many devout believers in Bill on this board.
     
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    What you've described seems like absolutely democratically determined policy at every level of public decision making. That is not something I'd want, nor is it something I'd condone be the implemented governance model of any sovereignty in which I'm a citizen.
     

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