Should we as a country, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[rightwinger]

Of course I am........

Do you believe I endorse slavery??

I'm not going to paint every slaveholder as "evil."

Maybe you should try looking at the issue from their perspective...

Things were different back then... It was a different era and judging them with present ethics would be absolutely wrong..

It's just that you go into a rage over any perceived infringement on your own liberty and yet, write off slavery with a "Slave owners were basically nice guys"

Yeah well I do my best to try and understand ideas instead of making knee-jerk reactions.

As a history buff it would be wrong to assert that every slave owner was bad...

Using that logic every pet owner is a brutal nut, when as we all know most people love their pets.

Now slaves weren't pets, however it's a good analogy as far as treatment is concerned.

Just because someone was a slave doesn't mean they were abused or treated harshly..

I mean back then the word "******" or "negro" was not used as an ad hominem or ad lib, it was used as a proper noun...

If I said: "go get the ****** (or negro) some water" today they would call that language racist - However that language would have no negative implications 100 years ago.

I suppose my point is that things were different back then and slave owners were not racist or necessarily bad people just because they owned a slave.

Remember slaves were property - not to mention not every southern slave owner agreed that a person could be property in the first place. However they were still property.

Of course its wrong and it goes against every liberal idea I possess today, however that doesn't mean I'm wrong for attempting to understand that era, and what their feelings on idea were...

Your posts make the baby Jesus cry

 

[Mr.Nick]

It's just that you go into a rage over any perceived infringement on your own liberty and yet, write off slavery with a "Slave owners were basically nice guys"

Yeah well I do my best to try and understand ideas instead of making knee-jerk reactions.

As a history buff it would be wrong to assert that every slave owner was bad...

Using that logic every pet owner is a brutal nut, when as we all know most people love their pets.

Now slaves weren't pets, however it's a good analogy as far as treatment is concerned.

Just because someone was a slave doesn't mean they were abused or treated harshly..

I mean back then the word "******" or "negro" was not used as an ad hominem or ad lib, it was used as a proper noun...

If I said: "go get the ****** (or negro) some water" today they would call that language racist - However that language would have no negative implications 100 years ago.

I suppose my point is that things were different back then and slave owners were not racist or necessarily bad people just because they owned a slave.

Remember slaves were property - not to mention not every southern slave owner agreed that a person could be property in the first place. However they were still property.

Of course its wrong and it goes against every liberal idea I possess today, however that doesn't mean I'm wrong for attempting to understand that era, and what their feelings on idea were...

Your posts make the baby Jesus cry

Understanding and not demonizing makes baby Jesus cry?

In my universe knee-jerk reactions makes baby Jesus cry.

Oh lets also not forget Jesus preached forgiveness, however that is something I refuse to do...

 

[Ringel05]

Every country has its bad moments. It should be faced as it was. Feelings about it are useless. Understanding what went on, how it affected the politics of the time and the costs of ending it are useful studies.

You don't emote over things. You learn from them and then study how not to be stupid in the future.

Far more useful would be to get a good understanding of what went wrong with the Japanese internment, and make sure that never happens again.

Japanese internment. Hmm. We learned so much from that. Ask any Muslim living in America post 9/11. Remember how they were treated back then?

Ask any Muslim living in America post 9/11.

How were they treated back then? Were their internment camps clean or rat traps? What did they think of their civil rights being suspended? Were they not allowed to pray to Mecca?
Well?

 

[Zoom]

Every country has its bad moments. It should be faced as it was. Feelings about it are useless. Understanding what went on, how it affected the politics of the time and the costs of ending it are useful studies.

You don't emote over things. You learn from them and then study how not to be stupid in the future.

Far more useful would be to get a good understanding of what went wrong with the Japanese internment, and make sure that never happens again.

Japanese internment. Hmm. We learned so much from that. Ask any Muslim living in America post 9/11. Remember how they were treated back then?

Just how were they treated.? since you seem to have the pulse on the Muslims living in this country
if you're so embarrassed of this country, why do you stay?

Because I served this country for 2 decades and earned being here.

By the way, I am not embarrassed of us as a country. I am ashamed of some of our history though.

 

[Zoom]

be embarrassed by our past slavery days? Looking back on those times, isn't it a little embarrassing as a nation?

I am not saying we should apologize to anyone, I am talking about being embarrassed about what happened HERE. (I dont care about other nations right now, this is about the USA).

We cant look back at those days and be proud. Can we?

No.... I did nothing wrong.

Besides, every culture is guilty of slavery and every nation has a history of slavery...

Why does the US have to be placed under the microscope anyways?? It's not exactly like US slavery was the most brutal...

Because its our home.

 

[Mr.Nick]

be embarrassed by our past slavery days? Looking back on those times, isn't it a little embarrassing as a nation?

I am not saying we should apologize to anyone, I am talking about being embarrassed about what happened HERE. (I dont care about other nations right now, this is about the USA).

We cant look back at those days and be proud. Can we?

No.... I did nothing wrong.

Besides, every culture is guilty of slavery and every nation has a history of slavery...

Why does the US have to be placed under the microscope anyways?? It's not exactly like US slavery was the most brutal...

Because its our home.

Damn right it's OUR home...