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Does a hate crime murder make the victim deader?
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A hate crime is one that's deliberately intended to intimidate the community at-large. It's not merely an act of violence. It's an act of violence done in a way that tells others, "you could be next." The intent of a crime should ALWAYS be taken into account. It's a necessary component of any justice system. Denying the existence of hate crimes is denying reality.
and intent is taken into context, hence the varying degrees of particular crimes. If its 1st degree murder, intent and planning is taken into account. Racism shouldn't be any more of a prison sentence than someone who kills another because they are in a rival gang, or killing a witness, or many of the other stupid reasons why people kill others. If it was planned then its first degree murder
So you're basically saying that our justice system should not concern itself with threats of violence directed at communities. It's really incredible to see people here suggesting that threats should NOT be considered criminal acts.
No because one is murder in the first degree and one is not.
But "dead is dead" so why is motive in consideration in some cases but not the rest?
You shoot someone with a gun, they are dead a second later.
Then there is David Ritcheson. Some white kids, who were just kidding around, stripped him naked, burned him with cigarettes, they tried to engrave a swastika into his chest, but it's not as easy as it sounds.
They kicked him with steel-toed boots, broke bones in his face. Then, someone got the bright ideas of forcing the pointed end of a PVC patio umbrella pole up his butt hole while yelling out racist names. Sodomy wasn't enough. Fun, but not enough.
Then they poured bleach on the victim. Oh, that must have stung. The attack lasted five hours before they just got tuckered out. They left Ritcheson lying behind the house for more than 10 hours. They probably thought he was tired too.
At some point, someone called an ambulance.
What's a perforated bladder?
Ritcheson's lungs failed, and he was placed on a ventilator. But don't worry, they started them again, so it was only "assault".
According to Harris County prosecutor Mike Trent, the "kids" probably poured bleach inside the pipe as high levels of toxins were found in Ritcheson's organs.
Those on the right say, "Hey, assault is assault. It's all the same." It was only a "joke" that went a little too far. Don't make a federal case out of it.
And 15 operations later, the kid, while wearing a shit and piss bag and being confined to a wheel chair, didn't even die. At least not then. No, some months later, he got tired of being the victim and all the surgery and finally killed himself. Think those kids that tortured him thought he was a "wuss"? You betcha.
So let's see. Hmmm, would I rather have a gunshot or go through what that kid went through? Wow, that's a hard one. Gee, I'll have to think about that.
Like they say on the right, "Dead is dead" and besides, those white kids didn't kill anyone. He killed himself. All they did was "assault". Like giving someone a black eye or a fat lip.
Geesh, some people just can't take a fucking joke.
Now, tell me how a "hate crime" is the same. Tell me how "dead is dead".
Where in the law is this kind of torture covered? Except when it's a "hate crime"?
Hate crimes are the biggest bunch of bullshit. A crime is a crime. many people commit crimes for the stupidest and vile reasons, why make one reason for performing the action more punishable than another stupid reasona. why make a crime of thought, which is essentially what this is. As much as racism and racially motivated crimes are deplorable, crimes is a crime.
A hate crime is one that's deliberately intended to intimidate the community at-large. It's not merely an act of violence. It's an act of violence done in a way that tells others, "you could be next." The intent of a crime should ALWAYS be taken into account. It's a necessary component of any justice system. Denying the existence of hate crimes is denying reality.
Just a bunch of PC semantics from idiots who want to punish anyone who disagrees with their politics. *yawn*
Hate crimes are the biggest bunch of bullshit. A crime is a crime. many people commit crimes for the stupidest and vile reasons, why make one reason for performing the action more punishable than another stupid reasona. why make a crime of thought, which is essentially what this is. As much as racism and racially motivated crimes are deplorable, crimes is a crime.
A hate crime is one that's deliberately intended to intimidate the community at-large. It's not merely an act of violence. It's an act of violence done in a way that tells others, "you could be next." The intent of a crime should ALWAYS be taken into account. It's a necessary component of any justice system. Denying the existence of hate crimes is denying reality.
The "intent" of a crime is bullshit, and completely unnecessary to an impartial justice system.
Denying red herrings is reality. Pretending that a crime is more more or less significant because some bonehead decides it's a "hate" crime is stupid. The term "hate crime" to people like you = any crime committed against an ethnic/gender minority when the fact is, ALL crimes can be called hate crimes.
Just a bunch of PC semantics from idiots who want to punish anyone who disagrees with their politics. *yawn*
A hate crime is one that's deliberately intended to intimidate the community at-large. It's not merely an act of violence. It's an act of violence done in a way that tells others, "you could be next." The intent of a crime should ALWAYS be taken into account. It's a necessary component of any justice system. Denying the existence of hate crimes is denying reality.
The "intent" of a crime is bullshit, and completely unnecessary to an impartial justice system.
Denying red herrings is reality. Pretending that a crime is more more or less significant because some bonehead decides it's a "hate" crime is stupid. The term "hate crime" to people like you = any crime committed against an ethnic/gender minority when the fact is, ALL crimes can be called hate crimes.
Just a bunch of PC semantics from idiots who want to punish anyone who disagrees with their politics. *yawn*
How is it punishing people who don't agree with them?
The people who commit the crime are punished, and would be anyways for the crime they commited. So, unless you beat up a minority, because they are a minority you will not be punished. The only people who are effected by this, are people who are commiting crimes.
It really is a non issue.
How is it punishing people who don't agree with them?
The people who commit the crime are punished, and would be anyways for the crime they commited.
So, unless you beat up a minority, because they are a minority you will not be punished.
The only people who are effected by this, are people who are commiting crimes.
It really is a non issue.
A hate crime is one that's deliberately intended to intimidate the community at-large. It's not merely an act of violence. It's an act of violence done in a way that tells others, "you could be next." The intent of a crime should ALWAYS be taken into account. It's a necessary component of any justice system. Denying the existence of hate crimes is denying reality.
There aren't different levels of being dead, you know. You murder somebody they're just as dead as anybody else who has been murdered. The reason for their murder is irrelevant. The result is the same and the punishment should be the same.
If I kill you because of your race and leave evidence at the scene which tells the community at-large that my crime was racially motivated then it's not just about your death. I have both killed you AND threatened others in the community with violence. It's a deliberate tactic of intimidation designed to coerce the behavior of an entire group of people who were not targets of the crime. We all understand that this was the intent of racial violence in the bad old days. KKK types tried to coerce blacks into submission. Hate crime laws were passed for the expressed purpose of punishing this kind of community intimidation. The phenomenon is real and we all know it. Denying it is denying reality.
It's too obvious to ignore. Th hypocrisy. It's overwhelming and palpable. The majority bitching about hate crimes have been the biggest supporters of hate crime legislation over the past ten years. You have supported torture, secret prisons, indefinite imprisonment, occupations of other nations, throwing the 4th amendment out the door.......you have supported all of that based on a crime being a hate crime by your own words.
It's too obvious to ignore. Th hypocrisy. It's overwhelming and palpable. The majority bitching about hate crimes have been the biggest supporters of hate crime legislation over the past ten years. You have supported torture, secret prisons, indefinite imprisonment, occupations of other nations, throwing the 4th amendment out the door.......you have supported all of that based on a crime being a hate crime by your own words.
And once again another Progressive comes to conflate war with criminal prosecutions...
But such is a common limitation of Left-think... and stands as a classic demonstration of why Progressives should not be allowed within 10 miles of a voting booth.
Of course not. Negroes kill whites all the time. It's what they do.
Hate crimes are the biggest bunch of bullshit. A crime is a crime. many people commit crimes for the stupidest and vile reasons, why make one reason for performing the action more punishable than another stupid reasona. why make a crime of thought, which is essentially what this is. As much as racism and racially motivated crimes are deplorable, crimes is a crime.
A hate crime is one that's deliberately intended to intimidate the community at-large. It's not merely an act of violence. It's an act of violence done in a way that tells others, "you could be next." The intent of a crime should ALWAYS be taken into account. It's a necessary component of any justice system. Denying the existence of hate crimes is denying reality.
Well only if you feel that the implementation of a law should be in keeping with the reasoning on which the law rest.
Hate-crime is thought control... but the Left can't advertise it as 'thought-control' for obvious reasons, so they dress it up in the rationalization to which you're referring; that it's designed to make "Hate" a crime.
Didn't read the article, but using the title; I'd say, that IF someone feels sufficiently strongly that the subject of their emotion needs to be burned down to ashes, that it's a fair bet that there's 'some Hatin' going on down der...' and when Hate is a motivating factor in the commission of a crime, WELL... Our leftist PC Indoctrination tells us THAT THIS IS A HATE CRIME!
Now this stands in contrast to the Immutable Principles of Nature, on which America Rests... It flies in the face of everything America stands for; is morally reprehensible... as there are many EXCELLENT reasons to HATE; and there are some EXCELLENT REASONS TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING... and hating their ass is usually tied directly to those reasons; albeit, those are not mutally exclusive.
But where someone is a clear and present threat to your human rights and your very life... it's a fair bet that there's a sound measure of hate present; and such stands as a valid moral justification to strip them of their life.
But Hate-Crime is a Progressive Idea... and as such it is an unsound idea... thus it is an unsustainable idea; for the reasons to which you're pointing, in the OP.
It's another classic case of where Progressive Policy demonstrates it's chronic Regressive tendencies...
No because one is murder in the first degree and one is not.
But "dead is dead" so why is motive in consideration in some cases but not the rest?
You shoot someone with a gun, they are dead a second later.
Then there is David Ritcheson. Some white kids, who were just kidding around, stripped him naked, burned him with cigarettes, they tried to engrave a swastika into his chest, but it's not as easy as it sounds.
They kicked him with steel-toed boots, broke bones in his face. Then, someone got the bright ideas of forcing the pointed end of a PVC patio umbrella pole up his butt hole while yelling out racist names. Sodomy wasn't enough. Fun, but not enough.
Then they poured bleach on the victim. Oh, that must have stung. The attack lasted five hours before they just got tuckered out. They left Ritcheson lying behind the house for more than 10 hours. They probably thought he was tired too.
At some point, someone called an ambulance.
What's a perforated bladder?
Ritcheson's lungs failed, and he was placed on a ventilator. But don't worry, they started them again, so it was only "assault".
According to Harris County prosecutor Mike Trent, the "kids" probably poured bleach inside the pipe as high levels of toxins were found in Ritcheson's organs.
Those on the right say, "Hey, assault is assault. It's all the same." It was only a "joke" that went a little too far. Don't make a federal case out of it.
And 15 operations later, the kid, while wearing a shit and piss bag and being confined to a wheel chair, didn't even die. At least not then. No, some months later, he got tired of being the victim and all the surgery and finally killed himself. Think those kids that tortured him thought he was a "wuss"? You betcha.
So let's see. Hmmm, would I rather have a gunshot or go through what that kid went through? Wow, that's a hard one. Gee, I'll have to think about that.
Like they say on the right, "Dead is dead" and besides, those white kids didn't kill anyone. He killed himself. All they did was "assault". Like giving someone a black eye or a fat lip.
Geesh, some people just can't take a fucking joke.
Now, tell me how a "hate crime" is the same. Tell me how "dead is dead".
Where in the law is this kind of torture covered? Except when it's a "hate crime"?