Should the Social Security and Medicare Age be Raised

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't mind Ray getting disability. I mind him voting Republican while justifying him being on disability. To me, he sounds like someone who could work. Maybe not physical labor but he sounds smart enough to do an internet support type job rather than be sucking on uncle sams tits.

So who's sucking on Uncle Sam's tit? I paid for this program my entire life. If you have a house fire, are you sucking on the insurance companies tit by filing a claim?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then stop voting Republican you dumb fuck! Ask any Republican on USMB they say to save the program we need to make cuts and raise the retirement age. And they say people are living longer. Back when we made retirement 65, people weren't living as long as they are now.

And see, you can only think personally. Because you do manual labor, you think there should be an exception for blue collar. Fuck that. I can't see the computer anymore. My carpo tunnel hands hurt. Waaaah! So even an inside sales guy doesn't want to have to work when he's 69 fucking years old.

Tell your Republican pals they are wrong next time we are having a discussion on raising the retirement age. Stop being a hypocrite. Stop going along with a party that hates giving you disability checks. YOU should get an inside sales job. YOU could be a cashier. Or a greeter at Walmart. Or your family should take care of you. Or your church or a charity. But not US Tax payers.

And I love it how you are ok with people who really need it, you just don't like all the abuse of the program. You don't like fakers getting it. Well Ray, a lot of people would think you are a faker.

Do you know who you are? You are the black person paying for food with foodstamps while driving a Cadillac. That's who you are Ray!!!! Holy shit it just dawned on me. Republicans can't stand to see someone with a Cadillac paying for food with foodstamps. That's you Ray my boy. Only instead of a Cadillac you have rental properties.

WTF do you get this delusion from it's only Republicans suggesting changing the retirement age to 70? SS is going broke. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. It may not happen this year or next, but it's going to happen unless some changes are made. I'm Republican and I don't find raising retirement to 70 as a solution, and you're going to find several Republicans here that feel the same way because we all understand it's not applicable in every situation. Why? Because many of us blue collar workers are Republican. In fact most blue collar workers I know vote Republican.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Fuck the Fed. I love how they tax social security benefits.

Thank you Ronald Raygun!!!!
MAGA

 

[Mr Natural]

Because many of us blue collar workers are Republican. In fact most blue collar workers I know vote Republican.

Somebody’s gotta keep those damn unions with their ridiculous high wages and benefits away from good hard working real Americans!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We needed to start slowly increasing the age a couple of decades ago.

What you can't do is stick it to the people who are already retired or within five years of retirement though to save the rest.

Grandfather all of those 60 or over on the date the new law goes into effect then increase retirement age by one year every five years until we set it again permanently at 70yo.

We also need to increase the weekly contributions by both employer and employee by a few percent on a similar schedule, say by 3% a year for five years.

Too many people are outliving their contributions which is a big part of why it's been bleeding green for several decades.

SSI should also be removed completely and a separate disability system set up to deal appropriately with those who are permanently disabled.

Disability is already separated. Disability if funded from FICA taxes, not SS taxes. And as I mentioned before, there are jobs people will not be able to do past 67.

Two of my cousins are remodelers. They worked for themselves all of their lives. My one cousin barely made it to his retirement age and the other is still working the best he can. He can't do the physical labor anymore and has his workers doing it, but he still overseas jobs and gets the work for his employees. If he didn't work for himself, he'd be Fd if he was working for somebody else as a remodeler.

My father was forced into retirement at 62. He's a bricklayer and loved his job, but his body couldn't handle it anymore. After the surgeries, therapies, his body just broke down too much to continue doing that physically challenging job. His union provided a fantastic retirement which is the only reason he could retire at 62. He never would have made it on SS retirement alone.

But you are correct about funding. If we want these programs (and a majority do) then they have to be funded. An increase in employee/ employer contributions is the solution, but in doing so turns a lot of people off of having these programs and politicians are afraid people will be asking for a better way like the private market.

 

[sealybobo]

Ooooo, such a rare talent. I can type. I can use the internet. I'm sure there are thousands of jobs for people with such rare skills probably paying 50K a year or more. So I'll tell you what slick, why don't you show me some of these jobs that would hire a 61 year old with no experience.

That's your problem. What did you tell blue collar manufacturing in the 2000's when their jobs were going overseas? You told them to go start their own business or go back to school. That's not our problem you chose to be a trucker and your body gave out. So you found a doctor who was liberal enough to approve your disability. Gofayou. So do a lot of other scammers. They look fine to us standing in line at Krogers with the Caddy Keys. And you look fine walking to your rental apartments to collect rent.

So just buy more rentals. Become a business owner. You already are a business owner. Only you found a way to milk the system too.

You can't be a support phone call person on the net? You can't learn social media or do marketing or whatever? There are millions of jobs you can do from home.

And who says you should make 50K? Is that what you are getting on disability? So then don't worry about what you used to make as a trucker. You'll just have to do a minimum wage job that isn't physical.

Every fast food joint has help wanted. You can't stand on your feet all day Ray? Is that your problem? Just remember that next time a Republican is on here talking about someone they saw who is abusing the welfare system. To a lot of people it would look like you're one of those people. I'm not saying you are. I'm giving you the same shit Republicans give other people on disability or any government social programs.

Perhaps your party needs to be more clear that they don't hate these socialist unconstitutional programs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Listen, no republican is against social programs, but we are against how those program's have been abused. Now you know they've been abused and heavily used for vote buying, creating endless lifestyle's of dependency, culture's that think there is no other way to live, blight, property value destruction, crime wave's, but just blame a Republican eh ???? See this is the problem with the left, where as they think that everyone is just plain stupid. Now quit with all the ignorant bashing, and start seeking solution's for a change.

There are Republicans who are against social programs, but they are a very minority of the party. As you stated, Republicans are for fixing these programs instead, but you get these people that feel if you're against the status quo, you must be against all social programs.

 

[sealybobo]

WTF do you get this delusion from it's only Republicans suggesting changing the retirement age to 70? SS is going broke. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. It may not happen this year or next, but it's going to happen unless some changes are made. I'm Republican and I don't find raising retirement to 70 as a solution, and you're going to find several Republicans here that feel the same way because we all understand it's not applicable in every situation. Why? Because many of us blue collar workers are Republican. In fact most blue collar workers I know vote Republican.

Then most blue collar workers are idiots. It's why they make so little. They are fucking themselves.

You guys like to tell black people they are stupid for voting Democratic. Seems to me blue collar people are stupid if what you say is true. Maybe those blue collar people are voting wrong, not black people. Maybe it's poor dumb whites who vote wrong. You want poor blacks to vote like you Ray? Where you vote against the very benefits that you yourself get? Wow!

And no social security is not broke. If it is, it's because Republicans and Democrats have stolen or borrowed from the fund. Put it back. Simple fix.

 

[GHook20]

No, but the war machine and corporate welfare should be terminated, and the tax code changed to eliminate all the loopholes for the ultra wealthy.

Did topic and different trend

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's your problem. What did you tell blue collar manufacturing in the 2000's when their jobs were going overseas? You told them to go start their own business or go back to school. That's not our problem you chose to be a trucker and your body gave out. So you found a doctor who was liberal enough to approve your disability. Gofayou. So do a lot of other scammers. They look fine to us standing in line at Krogers with the Caddy Keys. And you look fine walking to your rental apartments to collect rent.

So just buy more rentals. Become a business owner. You already are a business owner. Only you found a way to milk the system too.

You can't be a support phone call person on the net? You can't learn social media or do marketing or whatever? There are millions of jobs you can do from home.

And who says you should make 50K? Is that what you are getting on disability? So then don't worry about what you used to make as a trucker. You'll just have to do a minimum wage job that isn't physical.

Every fast food joint has help wanted. You can't stand on your feet all day Ray? Is that your problem? Just remember that next time a Republican is on here talking about someone they saw who is abusing the welfare system. To a lot of people it would look like you're one of those people. I'm not saying you are. I'm giving you the same shit Republicans give other people on disability or any government social programs.

Perhaps your party needs to be more clear that they don't hate these socialist unconstitutional programs.

I think Republicans here (and elsewhere) have been pretty clear on where we stand. No, I can't survive on a minimum wage job, not many can. I didn't "find some doctor" to get me out of work. Every year I had to take a physical by a government doctor, and it's the government doctor that told me I could no longer drive. It wasn't a choice of mine.

Like I said, go out and find me one of these phantom jobs in my area you talk about making a living wage. You sound just like JoeB. I told him to do the same and he couldn't come up with one either. They don't exist, especially for a person my age.

Now I'll appeal to your ignorance: Rental property is not big money. In fact some years I took a loss. After all the bills are paid, there is only a few grand left for profit most years. I never made more than $5,000 after everything was said and done and it's a lot of work. The only real advantage is I live for free since my tenants (through rent) pay all the bills.

So yes, I'm collecting disability. Given the fact I'm dying of cancer, it would be stupid to work until I finally drop dead. I only have a few years left IF chemo is successful.

 

[GHook20]

I think Republicans here (and elsewhere) have been pretty clear on where we stand. No, I can't survive on a minimum wage job, not many can. I didn't "find some doctor" to get me out of work. Every year I had to take a physical by a government doctor, and it's the government doctor that told me I could no longer drive. It wasn't a choice of mine.

Like I said, go out and find me one of these phantom jobs in my area you talk about making a living wage. You sound just like JoeB. I told him to do the same and he couldn't come up with one either. They don't exist, especially for a person my age.

Now I'll appeal to your ignorance: Rental property is not big money. In fact some years I took a loss. After all the bills are paid, there is only a few grand left for profit most years. I never made more than $5,000 after everything was said and done and it's a lot of work. The only real advantage is I live for free since my tenants (through rent) pay all the bills.

So yes, I'm collecting disability. Given the fact I'm dying of cancer, it would be stupid to work until I finally drop dead. I only have a few years left IF chemo is successful.

There is a difference from SS at retirement and disability. If you qualify you can get disability at any age and I know it doesn’t pay much.

Living for free is a good $2000 back to you a month, so that is a nice benefit.

And sorry to hear about your cancer and chemo. Had to watch my mom go through that 22 yrs ago (she is still here). I will pray for you and your family.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then most blue collar workers are idiots. It's why they make so little. They are fucking themselves.

You guys like to tell black people they are stupid for voting Democratic. Seems to me blue collar people are stupid if what you say is true. Maybe those blue collar people are voting wrong, not black people. Maybe it's poor dumb whites who vote wrong. You want poor blacks to vote like you Ray? Where you vote against the very benefits that you yourself get? Wow!

And no social security is not broke. If it is, it's because Republicans and Democrats have stolen or borrowed from the fund. Put it back. Simple fix.

My God. Talking to a liberal is like talking to a mentally retarded person. You show them 2+2= 4 and you people insist it equals 5. Show me the Republicans who are against all social programs. Give me his or her name and what state they represent.

It's hard to debate politics with delusional people. We vote Republican because we are against Communism and Socialism. We vote Republican because we believe in the US Constitution and the founding of this country. Look at our country today. It's a complete mess because it's all Democrat run. A 40 year high in inflation, the border the worst it's been in over 20 years, a labor shortage that created a supply chain shortage, the Taliban is now the most well armed terrorist group in the world with our 83 billion dollars of US military equipment Joe left behind in Afghanistan, Joe is busing or flying illegals all over the country from coast to coast untested and un-vaccinated. That's why we vote Republican.

 

[sealybobo]

I think Republicans here (and elsewhere) have been pretty clear on where we stand. No, I can't survive on a minimum wage job, not many can. I didn't "find some doctor" to get me out of work. Every year I had to take a physical by a government doctor, and it's the government doctor that told me I could no longer drive. It wasn't a choice of mine.

Like I said, go out and find me one of these phantom jobs in my area you talk about making a living wage. You sound just like JoeB. I told him to do the same and he couldn't come up with one either. They don't exist, especially for a person my age.

Now I'll appeal to your ignorance: Rental property is not big money. In fact some years I took a loss. After all the bills are paid, there is only a few grand left for profit most years. I never made more than $5,000 after everything was said and done and it's a lot of work. The only real advantage is I live for free since my tenants (through rent) pay all the bills.

So yes, I'm collecting disability. Given the fact I'm dying of cancer, it would be stupid to work until I finally drop dead. I only have a few years left IF chemo is successful.

Not my job to find you a job or pay your bills if you can't work. But this socialist program you are on is doing just that. I, like all Republicans, don't like the government forcing me to pay taxes to pay for your charity.

OMG I didn't know that. Please understand I'm trying to make a political point, not say you shouldn't be on disability. I fully support the program. I'm just bashing Republicans who are against such programs.

I'm so sorry to hear that Ray. You are actually one of my favorite cons on USMB. Very intelligent for a truck driver. LOL.

 

[sealybobo]

My God. Talking to a liberal is like talking to a mentally retarded person. You show them 2+2= 4 and you people insist it equals 5. Show me the Republicans who are against all social programs. Give me his or her name and what state they represent.

It's hard to debate politics with delusional people. We vote Republican because we are against Communism and Socialism. We vote Republican because we believe in the US Constitution and the founding of this country. Look at our country today. It's a complete mess because it's all Democrat run. A 40 year high in inflation, the border the worst it's been in over 20 years, a labor shortage that created a supply chain shortage, the Taliban is now the most well armed terrorist group in the world with our 83 billion dollars of US military equipment Joe left behind in Afghanistan, Joe is busing or flying illegals all over the country from coast to coast untested and un-vaccinated. That's why we vote Republican.

Yea, you're an idiot. Democrats are not Commies or socialists. BUT, you sir are on a socialist program that we created. And it's the GOP who wants to end those social programs.

Show me a Republicans who argues for social programs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is a difference from SS at retirement and disability. If you qualify you can get disability at any age and I know it doesn’t pay much.

Living for free is a good $2000 back to you a month, so that is a nice benefit.

And sorry to hear about your cancer and chemo. Had to watch my mom go through that 22 yrs ago (she is still here). I will pray for you and your family.

Thank you so much G, but my cancer is not curable. I can stretch it out for a couple of years, but unless they find a cure, it's about all the time I have. So I'm going to try and make the best of it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yea, you're an idiot. Democrats are not Commies or socialists. BUT, you sir are on a socialist program that we created. And it's the GOP who wants to end those social programs.

Show me a Republicans who argues for social programs.

You're the one making the ridiculous claims, so you show me the Republicans that are against them. Yes, Democrats are Communist. If you don't believe me, just go to the US Communist website and read their agenda. You'll find very few differences between theirs and the Democrat party. If you have time, do a search on what candidates they endorsed and read their praise about them. The Democrat party is not going to tell you what they are really for. If the devil comes to get your soul, he's not going to have fire breathing out of his mouth, a long tail with an arrowhead on the end, and big horns sticking out of his skull. He will be well dressed, talk intelligently, and probably very timid and shy, and certainly not tell you the real reason he's here.

 

[gipper]

Did topic and different trend

Me too.

 

[justoffal]

SS and MC were started in 1934 and 1965 respectfully. In 1934 job were much more physical and people’s bodies broke down starting in their 50s. Nowadays go to any company and you see people working well into their 70s… heck even construction are less strenuous on the person’s body. The trend is only going to increase. In addition, medicine is getting better and people are living longer. This reality should be recognized.

In addition it is much easier to take care of oneself and eat better and feel better at older ages.

Our safety nets need to reflect this new reality.

Yes... The minimum age should be moved from 62 to 70.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not my job to find you a job or pay your bills if you can't work. But this socialist program you are on is doing just that. I, like all Republicans, don't like the government forcing me to pay taxes to pay for your charity.

OMG I didn't know that. Please understand I'm trying to make a political point, not say you shouldn't be on disability. I fully support the program. I'm just bashing Republicans who are against such programs.

I'm so sorry to hear that Ray. You are actually one of my favorite cons on USMB. Very intelligent for a truck driver. LOL.

I don't know what you don't understand here. I PAID INTO THE PROGRAM ALL OF MY LIFE, so you are not paying anything. I paid for it just like auto or house insurance. It doesn't matter whether I think they are a good idea or not, I had no choice but to pay for them. But as long as I have, I want what was promised to me for the money I paid. I won't be collecting SS retirement either, so all that money will be going into the pool as well. I won't see one dime of it and neither will my family.

No, it is not your job to find me one. I'm only pointing out the ridiculousness of your assertion that there are such jobs. They don't exist. The only way to make a living in this day and age is to have a profession which I did have. It's too late to go to school for a new one, and expect to be hired with no experience in my early 60's. Age discrimination exists in spite of our laws against it.

 

[sealybobo]

I don't know what you don't understand here. I PAID INTO THE PROGRAM ALL OF MY LIFE, so you are not paying anything. I paid for it just like auto or house insurance. It doesn't matter whether I think they are a good idea or not, I had no choice but to pay for them. But as long as I have, I want what was promised to me for the money I paid. I won't be collecting SS retirement either, so all that money will be going into the pool as well. I won't see one dime of it and neither will my family.

No, it is not your job to find me one. I'm only pointing out the ridiculousness of your assertion that there are such jobs. They don't exist. The only way to make a living in this day and age is to have a profession which I did have. It's too late to go to school for a new one, and expect to be hired with no experience in my early 60's. Age discrimination exists in spite of our laws against it.

Well at least you could admit the program was a good idea and whenever you hear your buddies trashing these programs, stick up for them.

And your last paragraph sounds a lot like what all the blue collar workers were saying in the 2000's when all their jobs were going overseas. Or you sound like me arguing with them when they told me those people were just going to have to go out and find a better job when we all knew better jobs just don't exist for guys like that. If you send their high paying union job overseas, no chance that person is going to find a job that pays as well. You guys didn't care that they had to settle for jobs beneath them. And disability wasn't an option for them.

ALTHOUGH, here is something you may find interesting. After the Great Recession of 2009, the number of people who filed for disability skyrocketed. Many were people like you. They could work but it's going to be minimum wage jobs and so instead they took whatever was ailing them and went to their doctors to say they could no longer work. Some it worked some they declined. The point is those workers would have kept on working if they would have been able to keep their good paying jobs. But when they lost them, suddenly that back problem they had became much worse.