Debate Now Should the age of "everything" be 21?

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    I disagree.
    Kids are still driving drunk and deaths from DUI is still way too high. Far more than gun deaths.
    There is a lot of kids getting alcohol poisoning since now there is candy flavored booze. Just like Kool-aid. Hell, even Mpls. just banned flavored cigarettes and cigars because they claim the kids can't resist the sweet taste, and now the study that teen smoking has gone up due to flavoring and vaping.
    There was not this pattern of living with parents far into their 20's either. Many simply can't deal with reaponsibilty or real life. They are far more self centered than in the past.
     
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    You may have some kind of a point in there if we lived in ancient Egypt. The major advances in medical science and technology have played MUCH more of a role in people being "children" for much longer than they ever could be allowed to in the past. There is not much you can do about that. You can't reverse it and go back in time, so I am concerned with the FACTS which are that most people under the age of 25 are not interested in much more than partying, and they have more in common with teenagers than with adults.
     
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    Well, there are CAT scans and MRIs of people's brains that proves their frontal lobes are not fully functional until around age 25 or so, and the frontal lobes are responsible for a lot of critical thinking skills. That is why children and teens feel as if they are invincible or that "nothing bad will happen to me, that only happens to the other guys!"
     
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    My son didn't start driving until he was 18. I was VERY uncomfortable with trusting him behind the wheel of a vehicle at 16 years old. Not because he was a bad kid or anything, but because he thought everything was a joke still!

    In today's day and age, 16 is still pretty much a baby.
     
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    How come most of Europe doesn't have this problem or Australia or Canada or pretty much every other country on the planet? Few countries have the age restrictions we do. I thought we were the "Land of the Free."
     
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    Who says they don't?

    Young drivers - Brake the road safety charity

    Young drivers (17-24 years old) are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. Drivers aged 17-19 only make up 1.5% of UK licence holders [1], but are involved in 9% of fatal and serious crashes where they are the driver [1a].
    Data on British drivers shows that:

    • Drivers aged 16-19 are a third more likely to die in a crash than drivers aged 40-49 [2].
    • One in four 18-24 year olds (23%) crash within two years of passing their driving test [3].
    • Young male drivers are involved in many more crashes than young female drivers [4].
    Take action: Support Brake’s L for Later campaign to reduce young driver deaths.

    Why are young drivers more at risk?
    Research shows that the combination of youth and inexperience puts younger drivers at high risk. Their inexperience means they have less ability to spot hazards, and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. In this way, crash risk not only reduces over time with experience but also is higher for drivers who start driving at a younger age [5].
     
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    Why are they "particularly likely to take risks"? Because they think that nothing bad will happen to them or that they can do that, no problem. Why do they think that way and not use caution and common sense? Because their frontal lobes are still not fully functioning to full capacity.
     
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    Great - then let's not let anyone into the armed services before the age of 21 either.
     
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    http://resources.prev.org/documents/ESPAD.pdf

    Intoxication

    The data in Figure 1 show that fewer American adolescents are current drinkers than is the case for all but one of the Western European countries. But what about risky drinking? Do European young people drink more moderately in a family context, as many Americans believe? If the early socialization to drinking that is assumed to be typical of Europe is such that it fosters responsible drinking, then we would expect to see much lower rates of intoxication there than in the US. Figure 2 displays the percentage of 10th graders in Europe and in the US who report having been intoxicated in the past 30 days. US adolescents show equal or lower rates for intoxication than do adolescents from most European countries in the ESPAD survey. Nine out of the 15 European countries reporting here have intoxication rates that are higher than in the US (18%). In some cases, the percentage of young people reporting having been intoxicated in the past 30 days is considerably higher than that for the US. For example, Denmark (49%)1 , United Kingdom (33%), and Austria (31%) have substantially higher rates of intoxication. There is no evidence that the stricter laws and policies regarding drinking by young people in the US are associated with higher rates of intoxication. Equally, there is no evidence that the more liberal policies and drinking socialization practices in Europe are associated with lower levels of intoxication
     
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    I believe they learn responsible drinking from elders. Families allow the underage to have wine with the family at gatherings .
    Very stiff penalties for DUI in most European countries also. Way more so than America.

    Edit to add. There is heavy drinking in Europe. They just don't drive.
    JMHO
     

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